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[CHI RULES]

The thing every one should understand that coming block3 shall take few years to be available in numbers, being a light weight fighter and AD requirements we desperately require another fighter of modern era which can not only take lead role from F16s ( as it looks impossible to upgrade existing stock or even get more)but may also effectively replace our Mirages especially Mirage IIIs.
India has already committed to Rafael and shall start getting deliveries from 2019, with upgrade of even Jaguars with AESAs. Even SU30 in current form with availability of 200+ fighters with the operational readiness promised to be brought upto greater than 70%. The challenges are real for PAF. The unavailability of potent long range SAMs along with only limited number of medium/short range SAMs the our ground based AD is also unable to cover our entire country. As Manpads like Anza are only good for some defense against old jets or incapable helicopters only.
It's better to commit with FC31 program or jet like J10D should be considered in medium term.

Further I humbly differ from people who consider JF17 equal to J10 as J10 is a medium class fighter jet with better payload can accommodate better EW/ECM/ESM gadgets. The J10D looks much stealthier. The synthetic aperture radar on J10 already has more range than that of JF17, similar shall be case when AESA introduced in JF17. The PL12 version used with latest J10/11 has better rnage than SD10.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

That's an important development. Our UAV/UAV-SEAD/UCAV prog could be following these lines. Keep watching.

Good if that's the case. What if we also develop a smaller one along the lines of IAI Harpy to take care of air defence systems like the Pantsir etc, that are to accompany the enemy's armour formations?

 

[khanasifm]

The best thing would be to design additional internal fuel capacity to increase total to say 2600/2700kg in jf and increase it range plus external Cft. I think j-10 or what ever paf chooses if they want will come after 2020 for now they want to add AEsa and other gizmos to jf which will be enough to handle anything out there in subcontinent. only short coming against j-10 and mostly f-16 is range plus load if jf has increased max external load to 4300-4600 its will cover anything so the big question is block 3 has increase in internal fuel as well as Cft ?

Radar range is not an issue due to awacs coverage pretty much whole country and hundred of miles inside other countries

Even ground based coverage with area based tps-77, tps-43g and j and ylc-2 is pretty good in fact just one of these system set covers most of the territory rest act as backups

 

[fatman17]

Super Mushshak, Made in Pakistan for Qatar Air Force (QAF).
#Pakistan has recently signed agreements to export Super Mushshak aircraft to #Turkey, #Nigeria and #Qatar. https://t.co/nwNjgJAvOl

 

[khanasifm]

Armed forces say no to advanced versions of indigenous 'Tejas', 'Arjun'

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NEW DELHI: The armed forces have virtually given the thumbs down to the proposed advanced versions of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft and Arjun main-battle tank by strongly pitching for mega acquisitions of foreign single-engine fighters and futuristic armoured fighting vehicles through the 'Make in India' route under the 'strategic partnership (SP)' policy.

The Army last week issued the preliminary tender or request for information (RFI) to global armament giants for an initial 1,770 futuristic tanks called the future ready combat vehicles (FRCVs) geared for "rapid dominance in an expanded battle space", while the IAF is getting set to do the same for 114 single-engine fighters soon.

This comes in the backdrop of the defence ministry finalising the SP policy in May to boost the country's fledgling defence production sector, which envisages Indian private sector companies producing cutting-edge weapon systems in collaboration with global arms majors through joint ventures and technology transfers, as earlier reported by TOI.

The going will, however, not be easy for IAF and Army. For one, the annual defence budgets now have very little money for new projects with the bulk of the capital outlay being used for "committed liabilities" or instalments of deals inked earlier. IAF's single-engine fighter project, which will be a direct dogfight between the Gripen-E (Sweden) and F-16 (US) jets, for instance, will alone cost an estimated Rs 1.15 lakh crore.

For another, the DRDO-defence PSU lobby is putting up stiff resistance, leading the government to question the need for the single-engine fighter project. "Questions have also been raised whether such a major project should be given to the private sector. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), in turn, says it can deliver a much better single-engine Tejas," said a source.

DRDO contends the forces continue to cold-shoulder indigenous platforms in their hunger to acquire foreign ones. Instead of ordering say around 500 Arjun tanks, which would have stabilised production lines, achieved economies of scale and paved the way for development of a futuristic MBT, the Army has inducted only 124 Arjun Mark-1 tanks till now.

The Army is not willing to order 118 Arjun Mark-II tanks, costing over Rs 6,600 crore, till they clear field trials. "The FRCV project, if it takes off, will kill the indigenous FMBT project," said a scientist.


But all this cuts little ice with the forces, which say the DRDO-defence PSU lobby "over-promises and then under-delivers" with huge time and cost overruns. "Can operational military readiness be sacrificed at the altar of indigenisation?" asked a lieutenant general.


IAF, for instance, says Tejas is yet to become combat-ready or achieve "final operational clearance" after being in the making for over three decades. "Moreover, with its limited range and weapon carrying capacity, the Tejas simply does not give IAF the punch and cost-effectiveness it needs. Tejas, which has just about 50% of the capabilities of an F-16 or Gripen in terms of endurance, payload etc, will have to fly under the protection of other fighters during conflicts," said an officer.


Grappling with just 33 fighter squadrons when 42 are need to take care of the "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan, the IAF feels the single-engine fighter project is necessary to maintain adequate force-levels till an entirely new Tejas Mark-2 becomes a reality.

Taken from Times of India Article.

Wrong thread !! This is paf and not Iaf thread

 

[fatman17]

#Pakistan #AirForce #PAF finds #China made drones / #UAVs #Wingloong and #Yunying, very tempting in #DAS17 ! https://t.co/QfWwdsshlg

 

[princefaisal]

The thing every one should understand that coming block3 shall take few years to be available in numbers, being a light weight fighter and AD requirements we desperately require another fighter of modern era which can not only take lead role from F16s ( as it looks impossible to upgrade existing stock or even get more)but may also effectively replace our Mirages especially Mirage IIIs.
India has already committed to Rafael and shall start getting deliveries from 2019, with upgrade of even Jaguars with AESAs. Even SU30 in current form with availability of 200+ fighters with the operational readiness promised to be brought upto greater than 70%. The challenges are real for PAF. The unavailability of potent long range SAMs along with only limited number of medium/short range SAMs the our ground based AD is also unable to cover our entire country. As Manpads like Anza are only good for some defense against old jets or incapable helicopters only.
It's better to commit with FC31 program or jet like J10D should be considered in medium term.

Further I humbly differ from people who consider JF17 equal to J10 as J10 is a medium class fighter jet with better payload can accommodate better EW/ECM/ESM gadgets. The J10D looks much stealthier. The synthetic aperture radar on J10 already has more range than that of JF17, similar shall be case when AESA introduced in JF17. The PL12 version used with latest J10/11 has better rnage than SD10.

Totally agreed

 

[fatman17]

 

[fatman17]

JF-17 Thunder & Mashak trainer aircraft taking part in Dubai Airshow to showcase Pakistan's indigenous defence capabilities
https://t.co/dxwBtru8Gd

 

[fatman17]

Dubai Air Show

 

[fatman17]

Leonardo’s M-346FA presented at the Dubai Airshow

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Asian Military Review

November 14, 2017


Leonardo’s M-346FA (Fighter Attack) makes its debut at the Dubai Airshow, one of the most important global defence and aerospace events, held from 12 to 16 November.

The M-346FA, for which several international air force’s have already demonstrated their interest, represents a further evolution – after the AJT (Advanced Jet Trainer) for the advanced training of military pilots and the multi-role M-346FT (Fighter Trainer) – of a family concept designed to create a common baseline, able to rapidly answer to the different requirements.

Thanks to the integration of the Grifo multi-mode fire control radar, designed and manufactured by Leonardo and already chosen by several customers in the world, the M-346FA offers advanced operational capabilities.

The M-346FA’s characteristics make it not only an excellent advanced trainer, but also a light fighter aircraft capable of carrying out operational missions at far lower costs than those of front-line fighters.

With seven pylons for external loads, the M-346FA is able to operate very effectively as multi-role tactical aircraft, capable of air-to-surface, air-to-air and tactical reconnaissance missions.

Leonardo, a world leader in the training field, offers a product portfolio able to cover the entire training syllabus, from basic-advanced training on the new M-345 into the advanced/lead-in fighter training (LIFT) phase with the M-346.

Already ordered by the Italian Air Force, the M-345 jet trainer is comparable in cost to a high-power turboprop aircraft but with higher levels of performance.

A complete Ground Based Training System (GBTS), well-integrated with the platforms and able to ensure both high quality training and strong operating efficiency, complements the aerial platforms. Platforms and systems offer worldwide customers a “turnkey” training solution that can guarantee the highest quality standards at every training stage.

Among the most notable examples that have integrated Leonardo products and selected them based on excellent performance characteristics is the United Arab Emirates’ national aerobatic team, Al Fursan, which uses the Aermacchi MB-339 aircraft. The Emirati pilots were trained in Italy and the UAE under the guidance of the “Frecce Tricolori” pilots using Italian aircraft and training systems.

 

[khanasifm]

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[mingle]

R we looking for this ?

 

[fatman17]

The FC31 02 prototype was expected to feature "major" improvements in order to make it moreattractive to domestic/foreign customers. Those improvements include a one-piece canopy, a new wide-angle holographic HUD similar to the one onboard J-20, twoindigenous WS-13E turbofan engines with a higher thrust, a longer and fatter fuselage made of more composite materials, a bigger internal weapon bay, larger wing area, reshaped F-35 style vertical tailfins and cropped wing and horizontal stabilizer tips similar to those of F-22. It also has the provisions for nose-mounted IRST, EODAS throughout the fuselage, as well as 6 underwing hardpoints to be installed later. It was rumored that the 01 prototype powered by two upgraded WS-13E turbofan engines flew for the first time on July 1, 2016. An AVIC promotional video released at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow indicated the 02 prototype was built and was preparing for the maiden flight. The high-speed taxiing test of the 02 prototype started on December 18, 2016. First flight took place on December 23, 2016, powered by two smokeless WS-13Eengines. Currently the test flight of the 02 prototype continues at SAC. A recent rumor (June 2017) suggested that the 03 prototype is being developed which could become the first prototype of the new carrier-based stealth fighter for PLAN. If ordered now by aforeign customer, FC-31 could enter the production as early as 2019 and achieve IOC in 2022.

- Last Updated 11/14/17

 

[fatman17]

R we looking for this ?

It would be a great buy for CAS