Pakistan agrees to hand over remains of Bengali pilot

[TOPGUN]

Well said Abu Zolfiqar!!

 

[Lockheed F-16]

Ok, so according to you there was no genocide? RAW created all of that up did they now?

So RAW moved in at night and started killing everyone within their sight, the RAW hit-men were wearing Pakistan Army uniforms, spoke Urdu, and they had air-support in the form F-86s in PAF markings? Or are you just plain denying all the killings?

Those murderous bastards who went looting, raping and killing were representing their country were they? They took oath to defend the country, not to murder, rape and plunder innocent unarmed civilians. Guess that makes them traitors to humanity then. (Or in your eyes ‘heroes&#8217.

Those bloody bastards did commit all the crimes they have been accused of. There are millions of witnesses in Bangladesh. They even brushfired at people who were going to the mosques to pray, they killed the imams and muezzins of various mosques on the night of the 25th of March when they were taking preparation for Fazr prayers. PN ships also indiscriminately opened fire at houses in Chittagong, killing many and injuring hundreds.

Admit past mistakes, that is what everyone does. The present counts. US bombed Germany and Japan to smithereens, yet these nations now enjoy a very close relationship; they are allied with other.

Do not talk about what you do not know.

Ok, you believe in Genocide in Bangladesh, but please mind ur language, we can discuss like humans, no need for such words. Show ur facts, in a way like that you can beat others, but using such words will only make a bad name for Bangladesh.
I don't believe in Bengali Genocide, Bengalis were seduced by RAW and so were traitors for me ( of course some are okay), but people like you, khaled ali, love their nation, but forget the bad side of Bangladesh. No need for hyping a country which got many problems, accept the truth of Bangladesh. We are no bastards, you aren't.

 

[gromell]

Gormell,

If you didn't know that it was none but an Indian academic recently debunked the myth of W Pakistani army's so-called rape and massacre
then get help from the followings,

The Telegraph - Calcutta : Look

http://www.statelesspeopleinbangladesh.net/uploaded_files/studies_and_reports/AnatomyOfViolence.pdf

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Blood And Tears - Stranded Pakistanis, Biharis, Stateless in Bangladesh and Pakistan

I know that you would try to come up millions of articles, stories, Youtube videos and Drishtipat, Banglapedia's bogus boos but since I know the Geoblians of Ekattar very well, it would be an effort by you of repeating a lie millions times. Somebody might buy them but me, AAH ! AAH !!!

Who the heck is your indian academic?!:S I know women who were raped. Don't write totally misleading info if you don't know how to uphold the truth.

Honestly I never tried to convince people like you on this and I am not trying. In Quran Allah subhanawata'ala said he blocked some people's heart and they will never accept the truth.

 

[JK!]

Guys read posts on the previous page namely by Abu Zolfiqar and let this go or the thread will descend into mud slinging.

 

[Skywalker]

I really don't have anything to say to those kind of comments. If I really want to, then I might be saying, How come you call Rashid Minhaz shaheed when he was serving for an armed force that raped sunni muslim women and massacred muslim men and kids regradless of their age in Bangladesh? however, I did not utter a word about Rasheed Minhaz because regardless of whatever I think of him, I know he is regarded highly in your country, just as Shaheed Matiur Rahman Bir Shrestha in Bangladesh and it's sad when somebody do not understand that.

So you see, if you really want to start then no one will be backing off. At least not me. But then one man's freedom fighter is another man's traitor. I know Pakistanis who would never talk like this and I hope you do too

Are you here to flame war or war of words, come up with concrete proof or buzz off, we dont want creep members like you in ths forum. I have loads of bengladeshi friends in britain and they are very very nice people, it looks you are under the false flag.

And one more thing getting thanks from the so called fellow countrymen does not make any difference to me.

So if you wanna start any thing you are more than welcome cause I know I can slap trillions words on your face.

 

[M_Saint]

Who the heck is an indian academic?!:S I know women who were raped. Don't write totally misleading info if you don't know how to uphold the truth.

Honestly I never tried to convince people like you on this and I am not trying. In Quran Allah subhanawata'ala said he blocked some people's heart and they will never accept the truth.

Out of millions of stories, articles and videos; only one report was judicially investigated and that was Hamudur Rahman's one. Another one that came very close to a comprehensive study was Sarmila Bose's one. Moreover, it was dadas of W Bangle that schemed, connived to give W Pakistanis bad names because they never wanted us to be a part of greater Ummah. Read to find out how were lives under Hindu Zamider and traders. Bankim's literature and 'Amar Dekhe Rajnitir Panchash Basar' could be great starts then come to argue. S Bose's write up bore the testimonies of Anuradhti Roy and Shirin Mazari's independent mind sets, which needed to write something unbiased at the first place. And the Quoranic Ayat is Summoon Bookmoon Umyoun Fahum La yarjiun, compriente?

BTW, Pakistani army's rape victims were unfounded for many years after 75's revolution but lately some faces started to surface that could very well be RAW's $500 Mill's works. And If PAK army committed rapes (Which was condemnable and were punished) then the numbers were miniscule compare to what Rawamy Muktis did to Bihari/URDU speaking women. Please read from both parts and cross-referrenced them and also find out the characters of present ALers to see if their words are worth to accept, thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Also, please continue this conversation (on atrocities and alleged genocide) on the relevant thread in the history section - its a sticky so easy to find.

 

[Al-zakir]

Guys
Notice the article from 2006. His remain already in BD and buried with honor. It was his wife and kids wish so that they can pray by his grave. It was good gesture form Pakistan. Case closed. lets move on. .....

 

[Kasrkin]

I think this is a fairly old bit of news. However I always found it odd, this man was a junior officer in Pakistan Air Force. He was trusted with the defense of this nation and given the Pakistani uniform. Despite what was happening in East Pakistan, this Bengali officer, like so many others was still trusted with expensive equipment and the honor of PAF and the country.

He tried to defect by misusing that trust to steal a Pakistani aircraft, and in his pitiful attempt at running away he was thawed by a simple duty bound teenager. He achieved nothing for himself, or for his Bengali people (but because of him all the loyal Bengali pilots in PAF were grounded and shamed) or for his friends in India. How is he a hero in terms of honor or achievement? But I’ve heard that the Bengalis have named their largest air force base after him and he is revered greatly.

I for one am all for Pakistani and Bangladeshi brotherhood (despite the fact that many in Bangladesh insist on bringing up the past more than Pakistanis ever do) and I think we should send his body back if it is such a big deal to them. But I would like for someone to tell me, so I can understand (I don’t want to argue) WHY is he so important?

 

[Omar1984]

Muslims fighting with Muslims..it never should've happened and I wish it never happens again...this is something our enemies want us to do. We will all have to answer to Allah one day...and tell what, we have killed our Muslim brothers?


I think the body should be sent to Bangladesh and that event in history should be a lesson for everyone.

 

[dabong1]

Guys
Notice the article from 2006. His remain already in BD and buried with honor. It was his wife and kids wish so that they can pray by his grave. It was good gesture form Pakistan. Case closed. lets move on. .....

Good the right thing

 

[mhacsan]

IF BD pilot trys to hijack a plan, puts it to Inida`s path, and dies in the process, will u call him a Shahid. no he will be a traitor and will remain so, and definately will receive punishment from ALLAH. becoz he is helping ur enemy to bring ur Ummah down n this would be the worst.

The BD wast in existence, even if it were, he had already taken oath under PAF as mentioned above one of the poster, u still can not call him a shahid but a solider who died for the cause.

if there was Shahid, that was A Rashid Minhas, who died for the honour of the country,Ummah irrespective of Genocide case(if it is true), one should be respected on individual basis.

Lastly his remain must have been handed over alot earlier, but he still wore a PAF uniform and we had to respect that. and if now he is in BD, lets leave the rest with ALLAH.

n i will cahnge the last sentence of 'Kasrkin'

i can not understand how come he is so famous?, if he had problems with pakistan, should have fought with us as in East pakitan, but do not betray the motherland(mother) for INDAINS, even if u hold grudges.

long line Pakistan Bangladesh friendship, its the past, but our friends on BD side needs to change their thinking to move forward.

 

[M_Saint]

Muslims fighting with Muslims..it never should've happened and I wish it never happens again...this is something our enemies want us to do. We will all have to answer to Allah one day...and tell what, we have killed our Muslim brothers?


I think the body should be sent to Bangladesh and that event in history should be a lesson for everyone.

Amin ! Summa Amin !! I am delighted to see the level of enlightenment of my Pakistani brothers. It is our after 71 generation that has been brain-washed up to a level that they think Pakistanis are monsters and Indians flame on that fire. I ask my Bangladeshi brothers to accept the arguments from both sides and analyze them dispationately to move on !

 

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by khaled_m_ali: Ok, so according to you there was no genocide? RAW created all of that up did they now?

So RAW moved in at night and started killing everyone within their sight, the RAW hit-men were wearing Pakistan Army uniforms, spoke Urdu, and they had air-support in the form F-86s in PAF markings? Or are you just plain denying all the killings?

Those murderous bastards who went looting, raping and killing were representing their country were they? They took oath to defend the country, not to murder, rape and plunder innocent unarmed civilians. Guess that makes them traitors to humanity then. (Or in your eyes ‘heroes’).

Those bloody bastards did commit all the crimes they have been accused of. There are millions of witnesses in Bangladesh. They even brushfired at people who were going to the mosques to pray, they killed the imams and muezzins of various mosques on the night of the 25th of March when they were taking preparation for Fazr prayers. PN ships also indiscriminately opened fire at houses in Chittagong, killing many and injuring hundreds.

Admit past mistakes, that is what everyone does. The present counts. US bombed Germany and Japan to smithereens, yet these nations now enjoy a very close relationship; they are allied with other.

Do not talk about what you do not know.

saadahmed:Clearly, you are forgetting what East Traitors did to Pakistan Army before the killing was started.The recent mutiny is one example although your Army had patience.Yes, our army killed people but don't forget Pakistan Army soldiers along with their families were also killed by the Mukhti Bahini.PA reaction was completely justified and i am being diplomatic here instead of using abusive language.Regardless of this, I am happy Pakistan is separated from a Traitor State.(Recent BDR Mutiny clearly shows how nationalistic you people really are..killing your own countrymen just because of low payscale LOL!)

As Newton third low stated: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction


Lesson for rest of us.........

 

[DarkStar]

Saad Ahmed, its a complete disgrace when you come out and make such dastardly statements and calling who soever, traitors, etc.

Being disagreeable, and feeling a sense of betrayal over actions by politicians before you were even born is one thing.

However, on the basis of that, calling a whole nation treacherous is a gross simplification of issues involved, undiplomatic, unfair, unkind, uninformed, and down right offensive.