Pak to get 40 MRAP vehicles

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Navistar gets $35M contract for West Point-built armored vehicles
By Dennis Seid | February 17, 2017

• These 40 appears to be part of 160 MRAPs Pakistan ordered back in 2014 from surplus stock.
• In the recent past, Pakistan had been linked to Turkish MRAPs also.

Navistar Defense received a $35 million U.S. Navy contract to produce 40 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected MaxxPro Dash DXM vehicles for Pakistan. The Maxx Pro Dash DXM is a lighter MRAP variant designed for greater maneuverability on the battlefield. Photo courtesy of Navistar Defense

Navistar Defense has been awarded a $35 million contract by the U.S. Navy to build 40 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) MaxxPro Dash DXM vehicles.

The U.S. Department of Defense said the work will be done at Navistar’s plant in West Point, as well as in Pakistan, and is expected to be completed by October 2018.

Navistar was the lone bidder on the contract, which was posted online.

Last May, Navistar was awarded a $29.7 million U.S. Army contract modification to upgrade 250 MRAPs. That work in West Point is expected to be finished by this May.

The MaxxPro Dash DXM is a lighter version of Navistar’sMRAP family, which features a V-shaped hull that deflects blasts from IEDs, or improvised explosive devices. The MRAPs also are designed to withstand ballistic arms fire and mine blasts.

Since 2000, Navistar has built more than 9,000 MaxxPro MRAPs.






Additional Notes and Comments from Quwa.org

Notes & Comments:

Pakistan’s MRAP requirements stem from its decade-plus long – and ongoing – counterinsurgency (COIN) campaign in its Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). From bolstering the Army’s air combat arm to enhancing the training and equipment available to infantry, Pakistan has been improving its capacity for COIN. MRAPs have been viewed as key elements for supporting the armoured transport requirement.

In 2014, Pakistan ordered 160 MaxxPro Dash MRAPs from the United States for use as part of Zarb-e-Azb (its current operation), though it had intended to procure a large number from surplus U.S. stocks.

 

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@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Bilal, can you shed some light on MRAP acquisitions. There were stories last year of acquiring Turkish ones as well. How critical are these now considering we needed them in 2014?

 

[Rajput Warrior]

What about Hamza MCV.

Couldn't it do the job too or will it be used in an IFV role?

 

[313baberali]

Navistar Defense LLC, LwuGhM
Illinois, was awarded a $35,077,157 firm-fixed-price, foreign military sales contract (Pakistan) for the procurement of 40 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) MaxxPro Dash DXM foreign military sales vehicles, various support items, and contractor logistics and technical support services. Bids were solicited via the Internet with one received. Work will be performed in West Point, Mississippi; and Pakistan, with an estimated completion date of Oct. 31, 2018. Fiscal 2010 other funds in the amount of $35,077,157 were obligated at the time of the award. Army Contracting Command – Tank and Automotive, Warren, Michigan, is the contracting activity (W56HZV-17-C-0038). https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/1086534
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[Lurch Adams]

MRAPS have dubious utility in any situation apart from occupation/patrolling of insurgency-hit areas. If and when they are required, they would be required in sufficient numbers. Otherwise they gather dust and it makes no sense to acquire expensive foreign-made ones. Every country with such requirements should design and procure their own locally. The cost savings will be enormous.

What about Hamza MCV.

Couldn't it do the job too or will it be used in an IFV role?

I see no reason as to why it can't be modified for that purpose. It would definitely make sense, creating fresh demand and economies of scale.

 

[Rajput Warrior]

MRAPS have dubious utility in any situation apart from occupation/patrolling of insurgency-hit areas. If and when they are required, they would be required in sufficient numbers. Otherwise they gather dust and it makes no sense to acquire expensive foreign-made ones. Every country with such requirements should design and procure their own locally. The cost savings will be enormous.



I see no reason as to why it can't be modified for that purpose. It would definitely make sense, creating fresh demand and economies of scale.

It would be much more expensive,costly to maintain,heavier.
So i guess it will only be used in IFV role.

 

[Lurch Adams]

It would be much more expensive,costly to maintain,heavier.
So i guess it will only be used in IFV role.

They could retain the basic chassis and add whatever underside protection is required. Of course, a preliminary cost-benefit analysis will be required to determine the savings made thereby.

There are multiple options in the market really. AFAIK, the Burraq MRAP is still in development. That ought to be a cost effective option. MRAPS are no use in small numbers, unlike fighter jets or even tanks. And everyone is not like US that bought huge number of MRAPS at atrocious price and then gifted them to their police after withdrawing from Iraq.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

How critical are these now considering we needed them in 2014?

They aren't suitable for conventional warfare, if that's what your asking.

This buy is probably for replenishment of stocks. Depending on how much of the country the GHQ wants to engage in open counter-terrorism ops, the ones it currently has are too few.

There are multiple options in the market really. AFAIK, the Burraq MRAP is still in development. That ought to be a cost effective option. MRAPS are no use in small numbers, unlike fighter jets or even tanks. And everyone is not like US that bought huge number of MRAPS at atrocious price and then gifted them to their police after withdrawing from Iraq.

A lot are being scrapped because the Pentagon either bought too many, Afghanistan or Iraq don't want them, or noone wants to buy them.

There are also different categories of MRAPs, Pakistan may have better economies on smaller categories but the larger ones will have to be imported. But every vehicle in a convoy isn't a MRAP, even the US only has a few lead and trailing MRAPs vehicles in convoys.

 

[Lurch Adams]

They aren't suitable for conventional warfare, if that's what your asking.

This buy is probably for replenishment of stocks. Depending on how much of the country the GHQ wants to engage in open counter-terrorism ops, the ones it currently has are too few.



A lot are being scrapped because the Pentagon either bought too many, Afghanistan or Iraq don't want them, or noone wants to buy them.

There are also different categories of MRAPs, Pakistan may have better economies on smaller categories but the larger ones will have to be imported. But every vehicle in a convoy isn't a MRAP, even the US only has a few lead and trailing MRAPs vehicles in convoys.

My principle objection to expensive MRAP procurement is their limited operational use. Ideally, any military should not be in a situation where insurgents/enemies can carry on deploying mines and IEDs at will. APCs and sometimes even IFVs are usually deployed in most military scenarios, and if the conflict zone is too hot then the infantry loves it's tanks. MRAPs are neither here nor there, too less for really hostile areas and overkill for deployment in most civilian areas. That is why IMO focus should be on mostly smaller, cost-effective options.

This could be a limited purchase, and as you rightly pointed out makes sense for use as convoy vanguard.

What would be interesting is if there are any MRAP options available in modular vehicles. In APC vehicles, Patria AMV and Havoc 8x8 are comprehensive and versatile platforms. Anything similar will work fine for MRAPs as well, if it could be developed cheaper. And due to modular nature the platform could be used for other general/specialized purposes.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Bilal, can you shed some light on MRAP acquisitions. There were stories last year of acquiring Turkish ones as well. How critical are these now considering we needed them in 2014?

It seems that Pakistan has been buying small numbers from numerous sources, mainly to plugin specific operational needs more so than to build a large fleet.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Which mrap model exactly would it be? Cougar? 4x4 or 6x6? Some other model?

 

[tarrar]

Great but what about replacing the death trap Toyota pickups? They need to be replaced with better vehicles which can protect our infantry & others.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Great but what about replacing the death trap Toyota pickups? They need to be replaced with better vehicles which can protect our infantry & others.

Dong feng EQ2050 perhaps

 

[FalconsForPeace]

US firm to make 40 armoured trucks for Pakistan

An American truck and engine making company has won a $35 million contract to deliver 40 armoured vehicles to Pakistan from its plant in West Point, Mississippi.



The US Army announced the contract, saying Navistar International Corporation, based in Lisle, Illinois, had made the only bid for the mine-resistant and ambush-protected MaxxPro Dash DXM trucks.

Work is supposed to be done at Navistar’s plant in West Point, as well as in Pakistan, and is estimated to be finished by October 31, 2018, according to US media reports.

Although the West Point plant had laid off all its workers in 2013, it has since won a series of contracts to build or refurbish vehicles for the US Army and foreign militaries.

Spokeswoman Amy McCaskill says the new contract, combined with existing work, means the plant will maintain its current 340 employees.

http://nation.com.pk/national/19-Feb-2017/us-firm-to-make-40-armoured-trucks-for-pakistan

 

[imranyounus]

The story in nation news paper also says some work to be done in Pakistan to. Can any one tell what exactly it means. Further we need buraq to be developed we need such vehicles for police and paramilitaries forces like FC and rangers and can't afford expensive vehicles for such uses.