Pak seeks Muslim representation in UNSC

[Jungibaaz]

In Pakistan you don't have to be a Muslim but it's required for teachers to be anti-Zionist and tolerate or promote antisemitism. So yeah, in Pakistan promoting Israel is currently a form of blasphemy.

lol

What is the definition of a rogue state? Is it defined by conduct or by name-calling? If the former then Israel is being slandered; if the latter then words and hence morality are meaningless and all that counts is counting heads.

I am slandering Israel, you're right, I've said it three times now. Also, I call it a rogue state for basically the same reasons anyone has ever named another state rogue, including my own state of Pakistan.

Israel occupies land illegally, and annexes said land, it builds settlements on that land illegally. Oh and it also proliferates nuclear weapons, which might not bother me so much if it weren't for all the bitching, moaning and warmongering about Iran and previously Iraq, citing nuclear ambitions.

 

[Solomon2]

Killing thousands of civilians -

Civilians used as combatants or shields lose their protected status.

using banned weapons

No substantiation.

bombing schools

Civilian structures used for making war also lose protected status.

illegal settlements

Given the prevalence of land theft in Pakistan itself, you're hardly in a position to accuse, let alone judge.

shooting protestors.

People who assault with intent to commit violence, arson, or theft are more properly labeled rebels, invaders, or mobs with malicious intent.

and you have the gal!

I have the answers and the proofs. You've been here awhile so you've seen them before. Trying to rewind the tape or re-play the video over and over does not make your accusations any less false than before.

I am slandering Israel, you're right, I've said it three times now. Also, I call it a rogue state for basically the same reasons anyone has ever named another state rogue, including my own state of Pakistan.

CALLING somebody something or ACCUSING them of something isn't the same as BEING something or DOING something.

The persistent illogic, diversion, and accusing of others in diversion rather than dealing with the issue at hand when it reflects negatively on Pakistan and Pakistanis are good reasons why Pakistan shouldn't be accepted as a voice of Muslim representation on the Security Council (and doubtless why Pakistan's politics have stagnated and its per-capita economic growth is lackluster compared to other developing countries like Bangladesh.) It's better to stick to the system where Pakistan only represents the "Muslim voice" in international fora when it consults with other majority-Muslim countries first before by consent acting as spokesman for the group.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Civilians used as combatants or shields lose their protected status.

Stfu!

Israeli soldier: We bombed civilian targets in Gaza for entertainment
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...vilian-targets-in-gaza-for-entertainment/amp/

Up to 80% of fatalities in Israel’s bombing of Gaza are civilians – UN

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/172900-israel-gaza-civilians-un/amp/

No substantiation.

Civilian structures used for making war also lose protected status.

Given the prevalence of land theft in Pakistan itself, you're hardly in a position to accuse, let alone judge.

People who assault with intent to commit violence, arson, or theft are more properly labeled rebels, invaders, or mobs with malicious intent.

I have the answers and the proofs. You've been here awhile so you've seen them before. Trying to rewind the tape or re-play the video over and over does not make your accusations any less false than before.

Again you hasbara zionazi twat;

https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

You baby killers can’t hide truth.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Civilians used as combatants or shields lose their protected status.

No substantiation.

Civilian structures used for making war also lose protected status.

Given the prevalence of land theft in Pakistan itself, you're hardly in a position to accuse, let alone judge.

People who assault with intent to commit violence, arson, or theft are more properly labeled rebels, invaders, or mobs with malicious intent.

I have the answers and the proofs. You've been here awhile so you've seen them before. Trying to rewind the tape or re-play the video over and over does not make your accusations any less false than before.

These are some very weak attempts at excuses and deflections. If you really cared about Israel in a sane way, you'd know that their current situation and aggressive posture is not sustainable and isn't doing much except earning them worldwide scorn.

You do subjugate Palestinians and deny them their rights. You do illegally occupy land, that's not my opinion on it, the UN has shown several times that your occupation, annexation and settlement building on illegal land is a violation of the fourth Geneva convention. You can't compare land theft in Pakistan to state sanctioned occupation and violations of international law, another weak attempt at deflection.

Your next post better contain some relevant substance, any more deflections and I won't bother replying, you can continue leaving these responses.

 

[Solomon2]

These are some very weak attempts at excuses and deflections...

What makes them "weak", exactly?

 

[Osiris]

lol



I am slandering Israel, you're right, I've said it three times now. Also, I call it a rogue state for basically the same reasons anyone has ever named another state rogue, including my own state of Pakistan.

Israel occupies land illegally, and annexes said land, it builds settlements on that land illegally. Oh and it also proliferates nuclear weapons, which might not bother me so much if it weren't for all the bitching, moaning and warmongering about Iran and previously Iraq, citing nuclear ambitions.

Isn't that how, Islam spread to subcontinent in the first place, Muslims from foreign lands, conquered, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian lands, built their settlements, forced local inhabitants to convert or flee.

Entire Parsi population of Persia, were forced to flee to India to conserve their religion, such that there are none left in their native land.

The only difference here is, what Israel is doing to Muslims now, Muslims have done to other people for centuries.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Isn't that how, Islam spread to subcontinent in the first place, Muslims from foreign lands, conquered, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian lands, built their settlements, forced local inhabitants to convert or flee.

Entire Parsi population of Persia, were forced to flee to India to conserve their religion, such that there are none left in their native land.

The only difference here is, what Israel is doing to Muslims now, Muslims have done to other people for centuries.

So for Israel to violate rights of Palestinians, violate today's international law despite multiple UNSC resolutions calling them out on in. But it's okay because of how Islam was partly spread so many centuries ago?

Try to think things through a little more before posting, it's solid advice and I'm offering it without further judgement.

What makes them "weak", exactly?

Excellent response, you win.

 

[Solomon2]

So for Israel to violate rights of Palestinians -

Be specific.

violate today's international law -

Be specific.

despite multiple UNSC resolutions calling them out -

Be specific and I will be specific in my responses. In exchange for my spending my time to correct these mistakes (at least) or malicious lies (more likely) what do you have to offer me?

 

[TMA]

You are again mixing and confusing two different things.

UNSC would resolve conflict between two states and Muslim membership in UNSC can ensure that interests of Muslim world are secured in such a scenario. If it finds something against Islam or Muslims then we can veto that.

Being a member of the UN with its current set up is against Islam anyways. If the UNSC passed a resolution that would oblige a Muslim member to do an action that is agains the Quran, then what (assume that no Muslim country has veto power)?

Another example is the UN forbids the use of gold for international trade, but the Lord God has made this permissible. By signing up to this one then plays God and when one plays God that is called . . .

No Muslim country is gonna get a veto...unless WW III is raging on and by then the UN will be more useless than it is now.

 

[PurpleStone]

Isn't that how, Islam spread to subcontinent in the first place, Muslims from foreign lands, conquered, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian lands, built their settlements, forced local inhabitants to convert or flee.

Entire Parsi population of Persia, were forced to flee to India to conserve their religion, such that there are none left in their native land.

The only difference here is, what Israel is doing to Muslims now, Muslims have done to other people for centuries.

No it is not the same thing. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Judaism does not actively seek to proselytize and promote conversion in the same way Islam seek to convert. The reason is Islam bases their theological beliefs on the fact that to achieve salvation—to be saved or be accepted into heaven—a person must be a Muslim. on the other hand, Judaism teaches that the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come (TalmudSanhedrin 105a). Therefore, most Jews believe you do not have to be Jewish to have a relationship with God or “go to heaven.” Thus it is not a Jewish imperative to seek converts in order to ensure they are provided with a pathway to God and the afterlife.

@Solomon2

 

[jetray]

Isn't that how, Islam spread to subcontinent in the first place, Muslims from foreign lands, conquered, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian lands, built their settlements, forced local inhabitants to convert or flee.

Entire Parsi population of Persia, were forced to flee to India to conserve their religion, such that there are none left in their native land.

The only difference here is, what Israel is doing to Muslims now, Muslims have done to other people for centuries.

these ppl who complain about violence are hypocrites of highest order. This is what they have been doing for centuries. Look at the terminologies they use for fellow earth dwellers kafirs, dar al harb, jihad ...etc

Its the same case with europeans & americans who complain about refugees one wiped out the natives and other colonized the world.

Now when these bullies & butchers are responded back they cry about human rights.

 

[MultaniGuy]

There should be a Muslim country representing Muslim interests in UNSC. But alas, the 5 member states will not expand the UNSC.

 

[Solomon2]

Judaism does not actively seek to proselytize and promote conversion in the same way Islam seek to convert.

True. Converting to Judaism is sort of like asking to be adopted. It is a time-consuming process that requires study, Jewish sponsors, religious observance, etc.

...on the other hand, Judaism teaches that the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come (TalmudSanhedrin 105a).

I think Judaism teaches that non-Jews who obey the seven Noahide Laws will have a share in the world to come. Those who don't, probably not. As one commenter at the link above put it:

I am a gentile living in the UK. I don't feel the need to convert to Judaism as G.d has given us gentiles our holy laws the simple and beautiful noachide laws. I follow these laws and feel the Jewish people have an obligation to remind gentiles who have no interest in idolatry or new religions that these rules exist, I only found out about them by accident and they fit my life perfectly. I am a happy monotheist who looks forward to his portion of the world to come. Peace to all men.​

...it is not a Jewish imperative to seek converts in order to ensure they are provided with a pathway to God and the afterlife.

No, it is not. Which doesn't mean we don't provide a worthy example that others may follow.

 

[Osiris]

So for Israel to violate rights of Palestinians, violate today's international law despite multiple UNSC resolutions calling them out on in. But it's okay because of how Islam was partly spread so many centuries ago?

Try to think things through a little more before posting, it's solid advice and I'm offering it without further judgement.

You are a Pakistani and a Muslims, are you proud of your heritage?

I mean, your nation takes great pride in naming it's weapons after Muslims, who snatched other people's land's.

So why do you judge Israel, for doing the same thing, that makes you swell with pride, when your forefathers did it?

Or is your justification "past".

Since it happened in the past, it is justified, but since Israel is doing it now, it is not. Guess what, in 50 years, what Israel is doing, will also be history, Will Israeli actions be justified then?

International law/UNSC resolution etc are all momentary.

A fact which transcends time is :

When Muslims were powerful, you conquered, you converted, you captured other people's lands. Now people of other faith have become relatively stronger, so they are doing the same to you.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Be specific.

Be specific.

Be specific and I will be specific in my responses. In exchange for my spending my time to correct these mistakes (at least) or malicious lies (more likely) what do you have to offer me?

You're forgetting we've been through this before. Would you like me to go provide you citation for occupation of territory in the West Bank (and the Golan Heights), settlements built upon that land. And how that occupation and subsequent settlement building is a violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention? And I could also cite further multiple such UNSC resolutions affirming all of the above opinions regarding Israel's settlements. But what would be the point of telling you all this? You're probably well aware of the legality of Israel's occupation and settlements, here's a remark from the dangerous antisemite and former UN Sec-Gen Ban Ki-moon.

You're not capable of seeing straight on these matters, at best I can expect in a reply some deflection or other bs, or maybe pre-prepared spam attempting to discredit the opinions of the international community and the UN.

You are a Pakistani and a Muslims, are you proud of your heritage?

I mean, your nation takes great pride in naming it's weapons after Muslims, who snatched other people's land's.

So why do you judge Israel, for doing the same thing, that makes you swell with pride, when your forefathers did it?

Or is your justification "past".

Since it happened in the past, it is justified, but since Israel is doing it now, it is not. Guess what, in 50 years, what Israel is doing, will also be history, Will Israeli actions be justified then?

International law/UNSC resolution etc are all momentary.

A fact which transcends time is :

When Muslims were powerful, you conquered, you converted, you captured other people's lands. Now people of other faith have become relatively stronger, so they are doing the same to you.

You ignored my advice, it was free and would've been helpful. Also, try not to think too hard, you might hurt yourself.