PAK-DA not for us : IAF Official

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

Nice idea will live long to see this event , su30mki escorted by fgfa .... why does su30mki need an escort by fgfa by the way

i am not atall doubting capabilities of MKI

1.since we are talking about strategic bombing we need a sureshot kill.
and su30 mki can easily be detected hence if escorted by FGFA it will definately give edge to capabilities of MKI and along with that
2.MKI can carry more bombs rather than carrying A-A missiles for incoming INTERCEPTORS.
so stealth of FGFA and lethality and load carrying capacity of MKI both when added together can be really kick *** combination for enemies

 

[Markus]

i am not atall doubting capabilities of MKI

1.since we are talking about strategic bombing we need a sureshot kill.
and su30 mki can easily be detected hence if escorted by FGFA it will definately give edge to capabilities of MKI and along with that
2.MKI can carry more bombs rather than carrying A-A missiles for incoming INTERCEPTORS.
so stealth of FGFA and lethality and load carrying capacity of MKI both when added together can be really kick *** combination for enemies

Stealth is the only reason above that is logical, the point number 2 above is not valid.

Since, MKI is multi-role, some MKI's can carry A2G while others can go for A2A, this way, the enemy planes will not come to know the mission of any of the planes.

When the enemy sees two different types of planes, its not difficult to guess that FGFA is just for escort and does not carry A2G, then the enemy will go all out against MKI and run away from FGFA.

Its just a case where youy are unable to hide all your cards.

 

[jagjitnatt]

you has problums accepting a aircraft can fly at 150000ft..?

Yes, I have a problem. Because no aircraft has been able to do that without rockets. And no aircraft can do anything like that.

So if you could come to facts and not stupid internet articles, we could come to a conclusion.

 

[AMCA]

you has problums accepting a aircraft can fly at 150000ft..?

Buddy, the Maximum Service ceiling of a Jet cannot be more than 65,000 Ft , Atleast not as of now.... But PAk DA Has a Service ceiling of only 16000 m that is not more than 54000 Ft....

Well Do You know if PAK DA could go upto 150000 Ft then They wouldnt be needing a Soyuz for Manned Space Missions Till Mesosphere

 

[luckyyy]

Buddy, the Maximum Service ceiling of a Jet cannot be more than 65,000 Ft , Atleast not as of now.... But PAk DA Has a Service ceiling of only 16000 m that is not more than 54000 Ft....

Well Do You know if PAK DA could go upto 150000 Ft then They wouldnt be needing a Soyuz for Manned Space Missions Till Mesosphere

buddy , do you know mig-25 could fly at 85000ft and retired long back......

 

[IND151]

buddy , do you know mig-25 could fly at 85000ft and retired long back..

in 1977 a soviet MIG 25 reached altitude of 1,23,000 feet.

A few years later, on 31 August 1977, "Ye-266M" flown by MiG OKB Chief Test Pilot Alexander V. Fedotov, set the recognized absolute altitude record for a jet aircraft under its own power. He reached 37,650 m (123,523.62 ft or 23.39 miles) at Podmoskovnoye, USSR in zoom climb (the absolute altitude is a different record than the sustained altitude in horizontal flight).The aircraft was actually a MiG-25RB re-engined with the powerful R15BF2-300. It had earlier been part of the program to improve the aircraft's top speed that resulted in the MiG-25M prototype.[5]

source wiki.

 

[luckyyy]

in 1977 a soviet MIG 25 reached altitude of 1,23,000 feet.

source wiki.

even a private aircraft menufecturer Mojave Aerospace Ventures biuld a aircraft called "spaceshipone" able to fly at 328000ft just at a total development cost of $30ml.....

 

[jagjitnatt]

even a private aircraft menufecturer Mojave Aerospace Ventures biuld a aircraft called "spaceshipone" able to fly at 328000ft just at a total development cost of $30ml.....

that was rocket powered. And it was very small. You can't compare that with an aircraft. The rocket powers for just 80 something secs. Jet powers for all the duration for flight

 

[Screambowl]

self deleted

 

[luckyyy]

that was rocket powered. And it was very small. You can't compare that with an aircraft. The rocket powers for just 80 something secs. Jet powers for all the duration for flight

take a break and search the net...."spaceshipone"

get your fect right before commenting..

 

[jagjitnatt]

take a break and search the net...."spaceshipone"

get your fect right before commenting..

I'd say, get your facts right Mr.

Spaceshipone is a rocket based aircraft, not a jet based.
It has a Hybrid rocket motor which has a burn time of 87 seconds. Isn't it what I had said earlier? Go read something on it before correcting me.

And keep that attitude low. You're not an expert here.

 

[luckyyy]

I'd say, get your facts right Mr.

Spaceshipone is a rocket based aircraft, not a jet based.
It has a Hybrid rocket motor which has a burn time of 87 seconds. Isn't it what I had said earlier? Go read something on it before correcting me.
.

you keep arguring nothing can fly above 54000fts...

who's facts are wrong..

there could be Hybrid rocket but facts are that it takes the aircraft with pilot at that hight and return back safly...

does mig-25/mig-31 also has burn time limits..IAF keep flying them for 25 years ..

 

[jagjitnatt]

you keep arguring nothing can fly above 54000fts...

who's facts are wrong..

You're wrong again. I am quoting a post of mine from this very thread.

50,000 meters is the end of Stratosphere. Nothing can fly as high as that. The air is so thin, that even helium, hydrogen balloons don't reach that height.

The current world record is 123,523 feet in a Mig-25M. And that was a special air breather jet. Nothing till date has touched 1,50,000 feet.

All strategic bombers fly in the 40,000-50,000 ft altitude. Same with PAKDA. Internet isn't always right, and there's heap of senseless info out there, don't just believe everything.

You can see, I've given the example of Mig-25. I never said nothing can go over 54000 ft.

It is you who is arguing without facts. Your previous example was another blunder.

No bomber has ever flown higher than 40,000-60,000 ft range. If you've got something to counter my statement, do so with facts, not just accusations.

You've been proven wrong twice now.

 

[luckyyy]

..............................................

 

[jagjitnatt]

there could be Hybrid rocket but facts are that it takes the aircraft with pilot at that hight and return back safly...

does mig-25/mig-31 also has burn time limits..IAF keep flying them for 25 years ..

lol. When you strap on a rocket on an aircraft, it doesn't remain an aircraft, it becomes a rocket.

Even shuttle rockets have astronauts in them, are they aircraft?

Mig-25 doesn't have a burn time, because they didn't use rockets. Burn time and Impulse are measures associated with Rocketry, not jet propulsion.

Mig-25 had a jet engine and its ceiling limit is 85,000 ft, and the special Mig-25 that crossed 1,20,000 ft had an air breather engine. An air breather engine is also a special ramjet engine, its not a turbojet.