PAK-DA not for us : IAF Official

[arya]

form whom you gonna buy??

Uncle Sam's B-2 sprit

 

[rsingh]

During the 90s IAF chief said something very similar about flankers and now IAF cannot live without them.
10 years down the line IAF would wake up and the Russian would probably triple the price and would have also sold some to the Chinese.

 

[Kinetic]

There is no need of PAKDA type strategic bomber instead we should invest more on UCAV.

 

[kingdurgaking]

:green:, buy anything that looks good, huh?....



No, we dont need a strategic bomber.

Strategic bombing is a must for india... and will be part of doctrine for sure... India needs long range bombers and is very much important

 

[jha]

Such Long range bombers are not at all needed ..We are not thinking to bomb mexico. The best option will be Su-34.

 

[SpArK]

Buying 2 or 3 is a good option.. like we are having Aircraft carriers which are meant for long distance operations.

 

[Markus]

I still remember just 2/3 years back both India and Russia rubbished reports of India taking nuke sub from Russia on lease but we are indeed taking it at the end.

A limited number of PAK-DA's can be an important system for deterrence against China.

PAK-DA is still a long way from getting developed and by then we may hear different statements from New Delhi

 

[kingdurgaking]

Such Long range bombers are not at all needed ..We are not thinking to bomb mexico. The best option will be Su-34.

su-34 is not stealth bro... but DA is.. so we should have a plan to have such Aircraft in inventory.. If Long range bombs are there it is better because it will be easy to go and come from china without refueling or we can carry more load.. or we can supercruise through out the mission... lot of advantages...

 

[luckyyy]

Well it will cost atleast 250 Million USD and will cost a bomb to mentain
Frankly even india doesnot require this kind of aircraft
I mean where is the need for an aircraft with 12000 Km range under present circumstances
While no doubt 15000 Kg payload will be quite useful for Carpet bombing , its not actually a necessity since same can be achieved with 2 mrca with 8000 Kg payload , and which also would not require escort unlike PAKDA

As far as Strategic Nuclear command is concerned , it has demanded fast track procurement of 40 aircraft for nuclear delivery
well , PAKDA is not actually required since air force already operate 51 Mirage 2000H and 125 Su30mki for this job

There is a higher chance of Purchase of Rafale or Su34 as and when govt authorizes purchase of 40 aircraft for SNC ,simply becoz Rafale in its proposal showcased ready capability for nuclear delivery as its feature,while Su34 is dedicated ground attack fighter meant to replace Su25 in Russian service

PAK-DA can fly as high as 150000 ft........

 

[sudhir007]

How much it will cost and what are the operating cost of per flight. Is any ideas how many these bird Russia occupying. from my opinion we should go for it 8-10 like P8i or C-17 i know both are different use. but if we afford C-17 then why not PAK-DA.
If IAF or SNC want this plane in small no. then why we are making JV which cost more. I dnt think many country want these type of F/A so there is lesser chance for export and also russia does not want to export this.

 

[Dash]

Strategic bombing is a must for india... and will be part of doctrine for sure... India needs long range bombers and is very much important

Ok, mate...but tell me why do we need it.
Now tell me developing an ICBM is easier or buying strategic bombers??-)

 

[kingdurgaking]

Ok, mate...but tell me why do we need it.
Now tell me developing an ICBM is easier or buying strategic bombers??-)

Sirjee.. It is on how u see.. say for (e.g) If i fire 50 ICBM the cost for it is more than the cost of one bomber procurement + delivery cost.. We have to calculate on what angle?? If you go by your logic then US , Russian Force, Europeans will have only ICBM no bombers as they can deploy ICBM on submarines right??... I feel bombers are better for delivering the Payload .. which can be more reliable + and recoverable at any point of time including the payload.. where as it is not the case with ICBM...

 

[Dash]

Sirjee.. It is on how u see.. say for (e.g) If i fire 50 ICBM the cost for it is more than the cost of one bomber procurement + delivery cost.. We have to calculate on what angle?? If you go by your logic then US , Russian Force, Europeans will have only ICBM no bombers as they can deploy ICBM on submarines right??... I feel bombers are better for delivering the Payload .. which can be more reliable + and recoverable at any point of time including the payload.. where as it is not the case with ICBM...

Agree with you. But todays enviorment is changed.
Gone are those days when bombers had their advantage. Because airdefense want that effective and ICBMs were not that accurate.
Most bombers that you saw being operated in Iraq and A'stan were operated after the air superiority is achived ,meaning to say the air defense of the enemy was next to 0.

Imagine a B-52 being lost due to SAM or airial attack by another fighter, you loose the fighter along with its valuable payload. At this point of time, for carpet bombing you need a bomber that will fly high on the sky with ground attack and fighter escort at the thinner air level. Unless you have that its too risky to oprate a bomber. Coz its big RCS and heat signature makes it most valunerable target and easy ones.

When you have effective way of delivering Nukes, then I think modern ICBMs are more accurate and cost effective. most likely they can evade air defence too due to their uninmaginable speed and low RCS. remember no Anti BM is not mature yet, not even the American ones.

So now what do you prefer, a missile which cant be detected and cant be counter measured or a bomber (u can give example of the Spirit, B2, but will discuss it later), which has a huge RCS and can be braught down by a missile and expensive to maintain and deploy.

 

[Markus]

PAK-DA is not going to show up before 2020 or maybe even beyond that.

By then India's economy (and hence the defense budget) would be almost 5 times (or even more) of what it is today.

10 years from now I am sure India can certainly afford half a dozen PAK-DA's if the air force ever has a requirement.

 

[Frank Martin]

form whom you gonna buy??

I will give them..with custom paints and waterproof body made of PLASTIC