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What does defense mean in your dictionary ? :rofl: ... We successfully defended our cities while taking control of Rann of Kutch ... :azn:

So let me get this straight, you attack Kashmir with Operation Gibraltar and start the 1965 war, with the intention of taking Kashmir. The war objective of Pakistan goes from conquering Kashmir to defending Lahore due to India's superior military. Than you start celebrating Defence Day that you protected your cities. My question is if your goal was to defend Lahore, dont you think that the easiest way of doing so would have been to not start a war?
 
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Learn to debate with civility ... This ai'nt no BR **** going on here ...

In June 1965, British Prime Minister Harold Wilson successfully persuaded both countries to end hostilities and set up a tribunal to resolve the dispute. The verdict, which came later in 1968, saw Pakistan awarded 350 square miles (900 km²) of the Rann of Kutch [17]




Rowle Knox, Daily Telegraph, London, May 5, 1965.

I led a party of Pakistani and foreign journalists to the Rann of Kutch area a few days later. After the G.O.C., Major General Tika Khan, had finished briefing the party, one of the foreign journalists got up and asked, "General you say you have killed 300 Indians, the Indians say they have killed 350 Pakistanis. Who would we believe." The General was not perturbed. In his usual cool manner he replied. "I am placing all my helicopters at your disposal. If you see, when you go over the battle area, that the junk of war is in front of me then the Indians are telling the truth, but if the junk of the war is behind me then I alone could be in a position to count the dead." "fair enough" replied the foreign journalist. On his return it was the same journalist who remarked "Gosh - You made them run in the Rann."

The defense of Lahore was successful , If you guys were on the verge of capturing it , why didn't you proceed ? :azn: Since your generals wanted to drink at the Gymkhana , Lahore :lol: Now do not make the ridiculous claim that a ceasefire was to be announced shortly and the areas would have been to be returned back ... We all know belligerents try to capture as much areas as possible before ceasefire to use as bargaining chips later ...



What does defense mean in your dictionary ? :rofl: ... We successfully defended our cities while taking control of Rann of Kutch ... :azn:

Then why did you say that pakistan had taken rann of kutch in 65?Or do you think the part of R0K you have is the only rann of kutch.

And you should have used the term 'got' instead of 'took' in your post and 'part of R0K' instead of 'RoK' for precision.

The part you were awarded is not even 10% of total RoK.
 
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So let me get this straight, you attack Kashmir with Operation Gibraltar and start the 1965 war, with the intention of taking Kashmir. The war objective of Pakistan goes from conquering Kashmir to defending Lahore due to India's superior military. Than you start celebrating Defence Day that you protected your cities. My question is if your goal was to defend Lahore, dont you think that the easiest way of doing so would have been to not start a war?

my point exactly..1965 war was a display of stupidity on pakistan's side to launch so many failed operations....and they proudly celebrate it...
 
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And some more quotes from some neutral sources ;)

Neutral assessments
There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had a upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[76] –
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[77] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[78] –
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[79] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[80] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[81]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[82]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.


An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[83] –
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[84] –
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[85] –
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Newsweek magazine, however, praised the Pakistani military's ability to hold of the much larger Indian Army.[86]
By just the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own.




Do remember that most of the above sources belonged to the western world which at that time was allied with Pakistan and saw India in the Soviet camp...
 
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In June 1965, British Prime Minister Harold Wilson successfully persuaded both countries to end hostilities and set up a tribunal to resolve the dispute. The verdict, which came later in 1968, saw Pakistan awarded 350 square miles (900 km²) of the Rann of Kutch, as against its original claim of 3,500 square miles (9,100 km2).[17]
PS: The june 1965 dispute resolution you mention was before the war.. Read before you post to avoid embarrassing yourself.. As they say, its better to stay silent and look foolish, than to speak and remove all doubt about it.. ;)

Whose land was that 350 sq,mile ? Did we lose anything in the process ?
There was no dispute resolution at first ... Pakistan attacked in the Rann of Kutch after Indian buildup and IA abandoned and retreated further ... Even neutral sources would confirm it ... The UK Govt only got involved after the fighting ended at Rann of Kutch ...
Research and you will come to know that this was the event leading upto the war ... :azn: Astonishing ?

As they say ... Let Google be your best friend ... :azn:
 
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And some more quotes from some neutral sources ;)

"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

Newsweek magazine, however, praised the Pakistani military's ability to hold of the much larger Indian Army.[86]
By just the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own.

You couldn't won a decisive victory against a 5 times smaller neighbor to the point that Shastri asked UN to intervene again just like Nehru ? :azn: ... Logistically , of course you had more resources ... What was the end result ? PA was successfully able to halt the Indian assault at Lahore , destroyed 1/3 of IAF and proved that a army marches on its stomach ... But seriously loosing 37% of Kashmir and Rann of Kutch to Pakistan is nothing to be called as victory ... You couldn't take it back in '65 , did you ?
 
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Whose land was that 350 sq,mile ? Did we lose anything in the process ?
There was no dispute resolution at first ... Pakistan attacked in the Rann of Kutch after Indian buildup and IA abandoned and retreated further ... Even neutral sources would confirm it ... The UK Govt only got involved after the fighting ended at Rann of Kutch ...
Research and you will come to know that this was the event leading upto the war ... :azn: Astonishing ?

As they say ... Let Google be your best friend ... :azn:


:lol:... The whole of ROK was a disputed area of ownership between India and Pakistan, out of which India got awarded the 90%.. This happened after 1965 debacle of Pakistani attempt to capture Kashmir and Gen Ayub had no option but to eat the humble pie in 1968 and accept the 10% :-)woot:)ruling. . Make whatever you want to of that.. ;)

And we all know what happened 3 years after that ...
 
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^^ our aim in 65 was not taking back P:)K

you tried to take IAK and by sending thousands of insurgent in IAK

PA thought IA wont cross border as answer to Pak sponsored insurgency in IAK

they were caught by surprise when IA crossed LOC and came near Lahore
 
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You couldn't won a decisive victory against a 5 times smaller neighbor to the point that Shastri asked UN to intervene again just like Nehru ? :azn: ... Logistically , of course you had more resources ... What was the end result ? PA was successfully able to halt the Indian assault at Lahore , destroyed 1/3 of IAF and proved that a army marches on its stomach ... But seriously loosing 37% of Kashmir and Rann of Kutch to Pakistan is nothing to be called as victory ... You couldn't take it back in '65 , did you ?

India never lost any part of Kashmir.. It was the Maharaja of Kashmir who lost it to Pakistan before he signed the treaty to accede to India. The 10% of ROK award was by an international court of justice and not won by Pakistan in a war. India had accepted that judgement since it gave India legitimate claim over 90% of the disputed land, so no angle of trying to win it back in a war..

And about the 5 times smaller nation, well, you should have thought of it before starting the war now.. Shouldnt you have.. Some strategists also claim that the real punitive action from India around misadventure of Pakistan in 1965 came 6 years later that created history in South Asia.. But then thats a discussion for a different thread...
 
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And some more quotes from some neutral sources ;)

Neutral assessments
There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had a upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[76] –
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[77] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[78] –
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[79] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[80] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[81]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[82]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.


An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[83] –
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[84] –
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[85] –
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Newsweek magazine, however, praised the Pakistani military's ability to hold of the much larger Indian Army.[86]
By just the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own.




Do remember that most of the above sources belonged to the western world which at that time was allied with Pakistan and saw India in the Soviet camp...

LOL...:laugh:

And these delusional people claim they won 65 war.

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Oh please...

Keep claiming whatever you people want! You ain't gona get it!
 
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:lol:... The whole of ROK was a disputed area of ownership between India and Pakistan, out of which India got awarded the 90%.. This happened after 1965 debacle of Pakistani attempt to capture Kashmir and Gen Ayub had no option but to eat the humble pie in 1968 and accept the 10% :-)woot:)ruling. . Make whatever you want to of that.. ;)

And we all know what happened 3 years after that ...


Tashkent Declaration

A meeting was held in Tashkent in the Uzbek SSR, USSR (now in Uzbekistan) beginning on 4 January 1966 to try to create a more permanent settlement. The Soviets, represented by Premier Alexei Kosygin moderated between Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistani President Muhammad Ayub Khan.

The Tashkent conference, under UN, American and Russian pressure, compelled Pakistan and India to restore their national boundary and the 1949 ceasefire line in Kashmir. This eventually led to dissatisfaction and protests against the Ayub Khan leadership.

The conference was viewed as a great success and the declaration that was released was hoped to be a framework for lasting peace.

The declaration stated that [1]

1.Indian and Pakistani forces would pull back to their pre-conflict positions,
pre-August lines, no later than February 25, 1966.


2.The nations would not interfere in each other's internal affairs
3.Economic and diplomatic relations would be restored
4.The two leaders would work towards building good relations between the two countries.


Tashkent Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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:lol:... The whole of ROK was a disputed area of ownership between India and Pakistan, out of which India got awarded the 90%.. This happened after 1965 debacle of Pakistani attempt to capture Kashmir

So , according to you the skirmish at Rann of Kutch happened after the 1965 war ?

Let me enlighten you a little ... Who controlled the land before Pakistan asserted its claim ?
So who lost control of the 10% of the area they administered ? :azn:

India and Pakistan became engaged in a short but sharp conflict into Pakistani claimed-area in the Rann of Kutch in April 1965. After partition, Pakistan contested the southern boundary of Sindh, and a succession of border incidents resulted. In the spring of 1965, Pakistani tanks (received from the United States as part of its Military Assistance Program) entered the Rann of Kutch.The Indians became aware in January 1965 that Pakistani border police were patrolling below the Indian claim line. Pakistani patrolling south of Kanjarkot may have been going on for quite some time without the Indians knowing it.After India lodged a protest, it increased its own patrolling activity. In mid-February 1965, Pakistani forces dug themselves in around Kanjarkot, which may have been previously unoccupied, although President Ayub of Pakistan claimed that Pakistan had "long" occupied it. India moved large forces into the disputed territory during the months of January-April 1965, established forward military posts therein and carried out full-scale land, sea and air manoeuvers in its vicinity, thus forcibly demolishing the status quo. During April 1965, a series of incidents has occurred with both sides blaming the other. The Pakistanis, enjoying a militarily superior position, moved forcefully against Indian outposts near the border fort of Kanjarkot and most recently staged a "preemptive" attack at Biar Bet, deeper within the disputed area. The Indians were mainly on the defensive but, according to Pakistan, had established outposts within undisputed Pakistani territory.On 19 April Pakistan's troops in the Rann of Kutch held off from exploiting a favorable tactical situation, when after the capture of Biar Bet they were in a position to cut right through to the Indian forces on the 24th parallel ( The point till which the Government of Pakistan considers the area as its own ) and destroy from the rear the two Indian Brigades located in the disputed territory. Furthermore on April 30th Pakistan unilaterally ordered troops in the Rann of Kutch not to do anything that might aggravate the situation, which ultimately led to a de facto cease-fire. ( Unbinding on the other side ofcourse )

On June 30, 1965, India and Pakistan signed an agreement that ended the fighting in the Rann of Kutch. The agreement, which was facilitated through the good offices of the United Kingdom, was signed separately in Karachi and New Delhi. President AYUB of Pakistan issued a statement on June 30 welcoming not only the agreement relating to the Rann of Kutch, but also a second agreement signed by India and Pakistan which called for the withdrawal of troops from both sides of the entire border between India and Pakistan.

The agreement signed by India and Pakistan called for the dispute to be settled on the basis of binding arbitration, by an arbitral tribunal to be established with the cooperation of the Secretary-General of the United Nations. India subsequently appointed a Yugoslav arbitrator to the tribunal, Pakistan appointed an Iranian arbitrator, and UN Secretary-General U Thant chose a Swede as the chairman. The tribunal did not reach agreement on a final award until February 1968. The award gave approximately 10 percent of the disputed territory to Pakistan, including much of the high ground where the heaviest fighting took place. The award was reluctantly accepted by Pakistan, but bitterly resented in India, where it was generally felt that India had a strong case for sovereignty over the entire Rann of Kutch.


India never lost any part of Kashmir.. It was the Maharaja of Kashmir who lost it to Pakistan before he signed the treaty to accede to India. The 10% of ROK award was by an international court of justice and not won by Pakistan in a war. India had accepted that judgement since it gave India legitimate claim over 90% of the disputed land, so no angle of trying to win it back in a war..

Ok , we won it first from Maharaja but then the fighting continued for more than a year , Why couldn't IA take back those areas despite having superior technology and forces whilst we advanced upto Skardu and beyond ? ... Then , Nehru ran to the UN , didn't he ? Why , if your forces were in an advantageous position and about to liberate those areas ? :azn:
 
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So , according to you the skirmish at Rann of Kutch happened after the 1965 war ?

Let me enlighten you a little ... Who controlled the land before Pakistan asserted its claim ?
So who lost control of the 10% of the area they administered ? :azn:

India and Pakistan became engaged in a short but sharp conflict into Pakistani claimed-area in the Rann of Kutch in April 1965. After partition, Pakistan contested the southern boundary of Sindh, and a succession of border incidents resulted. In the spring of 1965, Pakistani tanks (received from the United States as part of its Military Assistance Program) entered the Rann of Kutch.The Indians became aware in January 1965 that Pakistani border police were patrolling below the Indian claim line. Pakistani patrolling south of Kanjarkot may have been going on for quite some time without the Indians knowing it.After India lodged a protest, it increased its own patrolling activity. In mid-February 1965, Pakistani forces dug themselves in around Kanjarkot, which may have been previously unoccupied, although President Ayub of Pakistan claimed that Pakistan had "long" occupied it. India moved large forces into the disputed territory during the months of January-April 1965, established forward military posts therein and carried out full-scale land, sea and air manoeuvers in its vicinity, thus forcibly demolishing the status quo. During April 1965, a series of incidents has occurred with both sides blaming the other. The Pakistanis, enjoying a militarily superior position, moved forcefully against Indian outposts near the border fort of Kanjarkot and most recently staged a "preemptive" attack at Biar Bet, deeper within the disputed area. The Indians were mainly on the defensive but, according to Pakistan, had established outposts within undisputed Pakistani territory.On 19 April Pakistan's troops in the Rann of Kutch held off from exploiting a favorable tactical situation, when after the capture of Biar Bet they were in a position to cut right through to the Indian forces on the 24th parallel ( The point till which the Government of Pakistan considers the area as its own ) and destroy from the rear the two Indian Brigades located in the disputed territory. Furthermore on April 30th Pakistan unilaterally ordered troops in the Rann of Kutch not to do anything that might aggravate the situation, which ultimately led to a de facto cease-fire. ( Unbinding on the other side ofcourse )

On June 30, 1965, India and Pakistan signed an agreement that ended the fighting in the Rann of Kutch. The agreement, which was facilitated through the good offices of the United Kingdom, was signed separately in Karachi and New Delhi. President AYUB of Pakistan issued a statement on June 30 welcoming not only the agreement relating to the Rann of Kutch, but also a second agreement signed by India and Pakistan which called for the withdrawal of troops from both sides of the entire border between India and Pakistan.

The agreement signed by India and Pakistan called for the dispute to be settled on the basis of binding arbitration, by an arbitral tribunal to be established with the cooperation of the Secretary-General of the United Nations. India subsequently appointed a Yugoslav arbitrator to the tribunal, Pakistan appointed an Iranian arbitrator, and UN Secretary-General U Thant chose a Swede as the chairman. The tribunal did not reach agreement on a final award until February 1968.

The award gave approximately 10 percent of the disputed territory to Pakistan, including much of the high ground where the heaviest fighting took place. The award was reluctantly accepted by Pakistan, but bitterly resented in India, where it was generally felt that India had a strong case for sovereignty over the entire Rann of Kutch.

so Karan.1970 was right

the above article shows in 1968 Pak got 10% of disputed territory which means 90% remained with India

here is one more proof

This inhospitable salty lowland, rich in natural gas is part of India and Pakistan's ongoing border dispute concerning Kori Creek. In April 1965, a dispute there contributed to the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, when fighting broke out between India and Pakistan. Later the same year, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Harold Wilson successfully persuaded both countries to end hostilities and set up a tribunal to resolve the dispute. A verdict was reached in 1968 which saw Pakistan getting 10% of its claim of 9,100 square kilometres (3,500 sq mi). The majority of the area thus remained with India. Tensions spurted again in 1999 during the Atlantique Incident.[7]

this means 8190 square kilometers worth area of Rann of Kutch remained with India
 
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Then why did you say that pakistan had taken rann of kutch in 65?Or do you think the part of R0K you have is the only rann of kutch. And you should have used the term 'got' instead of 'took' in your post and 'part of R0K' instead of 'RoK' for precision.The part you were awarded is not even 10% of total RoK.

I did say " took " because PA clearly defeated your forces in the there which forced you to go for arbitration by Her Majesty's Govt ...

And no , I do not think the parts only we control constitute Rann of Kutch , such remains the thinking of Indians regarding Kashmir and particularly Siachin :azn:

Can you differentiate between Little Rann of Kutch and Greater Rann of Kutch ?
The Government of Pakistan only asserts its claim on the former till the 24th Parallel which was awarded to us by the tribunal ... Case Closed
 
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