Pak-China defence deal should not be hyped

[gpit]

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.... India is 20+ years behind China.

Hushhh...

Please don't say that.

You should say India will be 20 years ahead of China, in 100 years, or in the future.

And then tell the old, wise story of turtle vs rabbit.

 

[Red Dwarf]

Hushhh...

Please don't say that.

You should say India will be 20 years ahead of China, in 100 years, or in the future.

And then tell the old, wise story of turtle vs rabbit.

Why did you think so.

 

[gpit]

Why did you think so.

Your great media are telling the story on daily basis.

 

[Naradmuni]

Hushhh...

Please don't say that.

You should say India will be 20 years ahead of China, in 100 years, or in the future.

And then tell the old, wise story of turtle vs rabbit.

Its good that you did not put up the same old UN indices and numbers again this time. Thats quite a change, and quite a thread saver too

There is no need for India to leap ahead of china. As Indian PM mentioned it in US, "India is not interested in oppressive chinese model of development".

 

[Red Dwarf]

Your great media are telling the story on daily basis.

What did they tell ?. How can you know each and every word they are saying ?. Are you living in India to know whatever the Indian media says ?.

 

[mrwarrior006]

@gpit
Hushhh...

Please don't say that.

You should say India will be 20 years ahead of China, in 100 years, or in the future.

And then tell the old, wise story of turtle vs rabbit.

wow atleast we will be ahead of china in 100yrs if mother nature survives

though india really doesnt care who will be ahead of whom wat india cares is in this 100yrs china doesnt challenge its integrity tat will itself will be victory for india
wat india is striving is to become is developed and its not involved in shitty race started by america and europe for its own benefit

 

[DaRk WaVe]

though i strongly feel Vietnam is also a independent country...
India should in nearby future start to sell weapons to it...Just to maintain balance....

yeah sure sell 'em what ever u want, puhlzzzz
do tell us what you will sell 'em

The lady doth Protests too much!​

Despite India's protests, Vietnam buys arms from Pakistan​

New Delhi, Aug 17 (IANS) Ignoring concerns of its long standing ally India, Vietnam has purchased a second consignment of small arms from Pakistan.

According to Jane's Defence Weekly, Vietnam acquired 100 SMG-PK 9 mm submachine guns and 50 sniper rifles from the state-run Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) in Rawalpindi as a follow-on order to an equal number of similar weapons it purchased last year.


The SMG-PK is configured on the Heckler & Koch MP5 series of which four models are available.


India, which has burgeoning defence relations with Hanoi, 'discreetly' protested the acquisition by Vietnam's police ministry for its counter-terrorism unit, Jane's reports, but to little avail.


Military analysts in New Delhi said India's hesitancy in vindicating its assurances to Vietnam of providing it varied military hardware, including the locally designed surface-to-surface Prithvi missile, could well be responsible for Hanoi turning to Pakistan, albeit to partially meet its defence requirements.


India's vast military-industrial complex also does not produce submachine guns or sniper rifles, despite years of attempts by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to design both.


India recently imported sniper rifles from Israel while a contract to import submachine guns and carbines is under consideration by the army.


'India is handicapped by its excessive caution in boldly exercising its strategic options coupled with its highly complex and uncoordinated procedures required to export military goods,' Major General Sheru Thapliyal (retd) said. In a world of quick shifting strategic alignments, India will be left behind if it does not resolve both these shortcomings, he warned.


India strongly supported North Vietnam in its war with the US in the 1960s and 1970s in the face of tremendous Western opposition and began developing defence ties with it in the mid-1990s as part of its wider Look East approach.


This strategy proliferated in recent years as nuclear rival China, with its peaceful rise, has steadily been fashioning political, economic and military dependencies around its strategic periphery particularly in East and Southeast Asia through multilateral economic and military engagement.


There is also a growing feeling amongst Indian and Western analysts that Asia's strategic architecture created over decades by the US through its military deployments and engagement policies appears to be crumbling, giving way to an ascendant China.


This, in turn, was fostering a deep sense of uncertainty and insecurity among many Asian states, including India, even though diplomatic, military economic and political ties between Delhi and Beijing were steadily improving.


By developing defence ties with Vietnam, however, India is aiming to counter China's firmly established 'string of pearls' strategy of clinching regional military and security agreements from the Persian Gulf to the South China Sea and of expanding its profile and assets in the Indian Ocean region.


To tighten the maritime 'noose' around India, China is investing heavily in developing Gwadar port on nuclear ally Pakistan's western Makran coast and nurturing long standing military, political and commercial links with Myanmar.


Additionally, China has firmed up strategic, defence and economic ties with Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives.


Strategists term India's tentative response as its 'string of diamonds' strategy whereby it seeks to build partnerships and relations with friends and allies like Vietnam to build regional partnerships.


As part of this feeble riposte to China's regional pro-activity, India recently reconfirmed its defence ties with Vietnam providing for bilateral military cooperation, sale of military wares like the locally developed advanced light helicopter (ALH) and assistance in overhauling and providing spares to Hanoi's ageing MiG series fighter aircraft.


The agreement also provides a framework under which Vietnamese officers would train the Indian Army in jungle warfare and counter-insurgency operations.


It also includes bilateral cooperation between India's Coast Guard and the Vietnamese Sea Police in combating piracy, reciprocal visits by senior military officers and regular exchange of intelligence.


'Agreements are meaningless unless delivered upon,' Thapliyal said. Otherwise, friends will seek help elsewhere, he added.

India eNews - Despite India's protests, Vietnam buys arms from Pakistan

 

[echo 1]

Pakistan Navy has been very patient it has been neglected for the longest time out of the three services so i think it is finally time they do some shopping for new equipment. Those Sea Kings for example were bought before I was born and have served a long time. With respects hopefully they will be replaced with a newer and better helicopter soon.

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

I don't think India will sell weapons to Vietnam, for several reasons:
1. Most of your weapons are bought from other countries, HOW are you going to sell your weapons then? Sell your second-hand weapons? I doubt any country will accept them.

Dont worry dude..LCA, Agni, Brahmos, Arjun, Nag, Arihant, is there to kick ur ***.....

2. Most of your domestically made weapons are low in quality and high on price. For example, your LCA Tejas was the second combat aircraft you guys ever built (beside your 1950s HF-24 Marut) , and it cost 21 million,and India is still evaluating this plane. while the JF-17 is only 15 million, and it is already in mass production long time ago.

look dont want to compare ur JF-17 to the LCA... U can induct anything..its ur countries wish...even if they induct crap....

3. I doubt that Vietnam would have the balls to accept your weapons because it would start a arms race in Asia, and it would be unwise for Vietnam(GDP:240.757 billion) to fight a country with a total GDP of $7.926 trillion.

Vietnam buying weapons will start amrs race..!!!!!!!

who wil be the other one..UR china..!!!!! Just think Vietnam having quality weapons dragging china into arms race......
now i know where u stand...

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

I thought India is an arms exporter not an importer? Also, why would other countries want to buy arms manufacture in India if Indian military does not want them? I'm not trying to insult India but just stating a fact. Should India military first have to show confidence in its domestically produces hardware before others would want it.

dude..what do u read...!!! or not read at all...!!!

LCA, Astra,Nag, Agni, Arihant etc etc etc etc are inducted/ready for induction....at least think..

and all Light years better than comparable chinese things...

 

[Rank]

dude..what do u read...!!! or not read at all...!!!

LCA, Astra,Nag, Agni, Arihant etc etc etc etc are inducted/ready for induction....at least think..

and all Light years better than comparable chinese things...

Thats your Last warning! if anything again bullshit like before from your side before your so called Agni, BRAchuss etc kick ***** of China i will kick ur *** from here!!!

 

[ajpirzada]

Dont worry dude..LCA, Agni, Brahmos, Arjun, Nag, Arihant, is there to kick ur ***.....

lolz. u surely are new to this forum or may be comin from some lala land

we will talk about LCA, Arjun and Nag when they are fully inducted. about Agni 1 to 5, plz tell me which one is fully operational (battle ready). first two or may be only first. Never heard of arihant. wats that?

lets not derail the thread. there are plenty of threads where u can fight over LCA Arjun and other equipment

 

[gogbot]

lolz. u surely are new to this forum or may be comin from some lala land

we will talk about LCA, Arjun and Nag when they are fully inducted. about Agni 1 to 5, plz tell me which one is fully operational (battle ready). first two or may be only first. Never heard of arihant. wats that?

lets not derail the thread. there are plenty of threads where u can fight over LCA Arjun and other equipment

Your Right the Chinese ICBM are better. They were designed to challenge America. and built during the Cold war. That is expected.

The Nag and Arjun are already inducted.

n the 1st week of July, 2009 two decades after the homegrown Nag anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) was conceived, it has been cleared for production. The production of the Nag missile was ordered after successful summer trials were carried out in the Rajasthan desert. The latest trials of the missile were conducted using an advanced imaging infrared seeker head, as per Army's requirements. The Nag will replace the existing Russian Konkours and European missile Milan, both of which are manufactured under license by Bharat Dynamics Limited.India’s anti-tank guided missiles, which are competitively priced and had been bought by Tanzania, Botswana and Morocco.An Indian official said a country in the Middle East had shown keen interest in Nag anti-tank guided missiles during Abu Dhabi Defence Expo-2009.

In May 2009 the Indian Army raised its maiden Arjun regiment. The army received 16 tanks from Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE), Avadi, Tamil Nadu, taking the number of tanks delivered so far to 45.
W. Selvamurthy, chief controller of research and development at the DRDO said "These 124 tanks are in various stages of production. All of them will get inducted into the armed forces in March and April ... Other organisations are also giving us orders", adding that a few tanks have already been handed over

If you actually want to know What is going on with Arjun
Indian MoD outlines roadmap for MBT Arjun, Mark II in pipeline | Frontier India Strategic and Defence - News, Analysis, Opinion - Aviation, Military, Commodity, Energy, Transportation, Conflict, Environment, Intelligence, Internal Security

As far as the Agni series is concerned.

As of 2008, the Agni missile family comprises three deployed variants:AGNI-1,2 and 3

1. Agni-I short range ballistic missile, 700 - 800 km range.

2. Agni-II medium range ballistic missile, 2,000 - 3,500 km range.

3. Agni-III intermediate range ballistic missile, 3,500 - 5,500 km
range.

4. There will not be an Agni-IV missile, with DRDO leapfrogging from intermediate range Agni-III to a standard ICBM possibly.

5. Agni-V intercontinental ballistic missile, 5,000 - 6,000 km range (under development).

Yes, The Agni-2 failed the end user trial. Which was meant to test manufacturing quality. Obviously something went a miss but People are working to solve the Manufacturing issues. And the next time the Agni-II is tested successfully we would know they did it.

so unless India going to be attacked in the next month of 2, i think we are fine.

 

[faithfulguy]

Your Right the Chinese ICBM are better. They were designed to challenge America. and built during the Cold war. That is expected.

The Nag and Arjun are already inducted.






If you actually want to know What is going on with Arjun
Indian MoD outlines roadmap for MBT Arjun, Mark II in pipeline | Frontier India Strategic and Defence - News, Analysis, Opinion - Aviation, Military, Commodity, Energy, Transportation, Conflict, Environment, Intelligence, Internal Security

As far as the Agni series is concerned.

As of 2008, the Agni missile family comprises three deployed variants:AGNI-1,2 and 3

1. Agni-I short range ballistic missile, 700 - 800 km range.

2. Agni-II medium range ballistic missile, 2,000 - 3,500 km range.

3. Agni-III intermediate range ballistic missile, 3,500 - 5,500 km
range.

4. There will not be an Agni-IV missile, with DRDO leapfrogging from intermediate range Agni-III to a standard ICBM possibly.

5. Agni-V intercontinental ballistic missile, 5,000 - 6,000 km range (under development).

Yes, The Agni-2 failed the end user trial. Which was meant to test manufacturing quality. Obviously something went a miss but People are working to solve the Manufacturing issues. And the next time the Agni-II is tested successfully we would know they did it.

so unless India going to be attacked in the next month of 2, i think we are fine.

Is it true that even Agni II is not operational, isn't it. It usually take many year from first successful test fire to production to deployment to operational. Where are the Agni series at now?

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Is it true that even Agni II is not operational, isn't it. It usually take many year from first successful test fire to production to deployment to operational. Where are the Agni series at now?

read gogbot's post again...its clearly mentioned which all are operational...