Pak Army is aghast at the defamatory and uncalled for statement about the senior leadership of Pakistan Army by Chairman PTI: ISPR

[airmarshal]

This pales in comparison, given that these colonial sepoys had no qualms about this:

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This was part of NRO deal. Kayani ensured the NRO deal with Americans is accomplished. This is why the thieves of PPP and PMLN were allowed full 5 year terms. Nawaz was ousted and convicted to arm twist PMLN. This was a signal from establishment to keep within its limits.

We were living in age of innocence then. We thought army is sincere and wants to pull out of politics. If we look at the last 14 years since NRO deal in 2008, army has always been part of this evil. Through media, a narrative was created that army establishment is 'bechaari'. You can see how in the last 4 months, all the private, 'free' media has become PTV. This is the extent of their control on the media, politics and foreign policy.

Now this time however, the challenge is stiff and nation must commit to kick military out of politics. Their greed has got the better of them.

This guy Bajwa should had retired at post of Lt Col. This incompetent piece of sh*t never deserved further promotion after serving as a Lt Col. This was his father in law who carried him over till the post of Lt Gen and rest is history.

Who was his father in law and whats the story here?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I have dozens of baloch diaspora friends who call themselves pakistani. They even celebrate 14th august and were cheering the last win against india.

I have the opposite experience. The dozens I know DO NOT make any association with Pakistan. I can give you instagram accounts of diaspora baloch influencers (some of whom I know personally) who don't talk about politics but are moreso into selling products/lifestyle and even they DO NOT like Pakistan.

I come on this forum to tell my experiences. I have no reason to lie.

I don't know why you spread such negativity w/o any due diligence.

Its not spreading negativity. Its the truth. I am a Pashtun diapsora youth lmao, I know the trends that are going on. Many people do not like the army rn, a lot of them have only started to put "Pashtun" only in their social media bios instead of "Pashtun " or simply "". This behavior happened immediately after the Vote of No Confidence.

Yes there might be few that avoid adding pakistan next to them but most I know call themselves simple baloch/pakistani baloch.

Of course I am not denying that, but the overall trend and message given on real diaspora accounts is different. Gulf, Germany, and Canada seem to hold a lot of Baloch diaspora.

U don't like the ideology of pakistan and prefer ur regional one

If it was regional then I would call myself "Balochistani" lol.

I guess what's happening in sindh is just a reaction to it and sindhis are doing the same that u would do in quetta or fata..i.e.. kick the outsiders

1. Sindh riots were started by a gangster
2. Quetta kicking out outsiders was done by BLA
3. No outsiders were settling in FATA its just army.

eventually pashtuns will be a landlocked and dependent on other nationalities

People dissociating from Pakistani identity and flag doesn't mean Pashtunistan is gonna happen.

This is like slow denegeration till you find ur self enslaved to each other or a regional big brother one day.

True, but in my honest opinion Imran Khan and PTI is the fine line that is preventing chaos rn.

diaspora always clings to its own

Not true. You are missing my point. I am only describing a trend that is going on, that doesn't mean Pakistanis of other backgrounds won't be friends with each other.

 

[Finer]

To be fair, that is laws in everywhere whereas army shouldn’t be defamed not matter what. You can argue on policy but not defamation of armies regardless of the nation. Pakistan tends to be very lenient and politicians take advantage of the situation and take it to new level.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

The reasons are cultural and language. And Inter marriages.. a pakistani pashtun has relations with afghan pashtun. A Pakistani baloch has relations with iranian baloch a pakistani urdu speaking muhajir has relations Indian Muslims and pakistani punjabis mingle with indian punjabis.. when they gather they don't emphasize on their nationalities ..it doesn't imply them dropping it .. so you have kind of misunderstood them..

Again I think you are missing my point. Pashtuns from Pakistan aren't calling themselves Afghan LMFAO, however people are only simply calling themselves "Pashtun"

At my college, I am taking a philosophy course as it is required, in there there is one Pashtun girl from Pakistan, her parents are from Bannu. When the professor asked kids what is their identity/background she simply said I am Pashtun. I went on her insta and saw that our mutual Pakistani Pashtun followers have dropped the flag or just simply have "Pashtun" on their bios.

I also went on tik tok and started seeing the same thing with Pashtun diaspora in Canada, UK, even Gulf. Funny thing is these same accounts were fighting Afghans last year during the sanction pakistan trend

 

[Zornix]

I have dozens of baloch diaspora friends who call themselves pakistani. They even celebrate 14th august and were cheering the last win against india.
I don't know why you spread such negativity w/o any due diligence. Yes there might be few that avoid adding pakistan next to them but most I know call themselves simple baloch/pakistani baloch.

It is very mixed, but there are more Baloch then you think who are anti Pakistani. Not all are separatist-nationalist types but they despise the Pakistani establishment regardless

For example, Baloch diaspora do not call themselves Pakistani. They genuinely don't like the Pakistani gov or army. This doesn't mean they support BLA, but with the people I know and I can give you accounts of Baloch diaspora influencers on insta, they don't post about Pakistan independence day and only post about Baloch related issues. Some of them don't even support the Pakistani cricket team and celebrate its losses.

They have no reason to be patriotic to a country that has treated them so awfully and constantly put them down.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

It is very mixed, but there are more Baloch then you think who are anti Pakistani. Not all are separatist-nationalist types but they despise the Pakistani establishment regardless

Exactly. The influencers aren't posting pro-BLA material, but they genuinely hate the army and gov. I am on the ground and I know, I follow these insta accounts and tik tokers.

To cover up for their own faults 5G warriors along with Zahid Hamid types would call everything and anything "Indian".

There's a huge underbelly of stuff most Pakistanis aren't aware of or have no clue about.

In the Gulf, Waziri and Maseed PTI supporters also have a soft heart for TTP. On tik tok, there are a number of accounts who post stuff about Imran Khan's birthday but also post sad pashto nasheeds for Hakimullah's death anniversary.

Not everything is black and white.

They have no reason to be patriotic to a country that has treated them so awfully and constantly put them down.

This sentiment is also rising in Pashtun diaspora as well. The common sentiment I am hearing is "Pakistan doesn't value our voice" "Army snatched our voice from us".

Idk wtf the state is doing but this is one of the fastest ways to nuke your own diaspora.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Exactly. The influencers aren't posting pro-BLA material, but they genuinely hate the army and gov. I am on the ground and I know, I follow these insta accounts and tik tokers.

To cover up for their own faults 5G warriors along with Zahid Hamid types would call everything and anything "Indian".

There's a huge underbelly of stuff most Pakistanis aren't aware of or have no clue about.

In the Gulf, Waziri and Maseed PTI supporters also have a soft heart for TTP. On tik tok, there are a number of accounts who post stuff about Imran Khan's birthday but also post sad pashto nasheeds for Hakimullah's death anniversary.

Not everything is black and white.



This sentiment is also rising in Pashtun diaspora as well. The common sentiment I am hearing is "Pakistan doesn't value our voice" "Army snatched our voice from us".

Idk wtf the state is doing but this is one of the fastest ways to nuke your own diaspora.

Diaspora will change opinion again if things settle down, it's volatile currently. Nothing is set in stone. If IK comes back tomorrow then what do you think will happen? Pointless to make any judgement on anything currentlym Lots of people throughout board are depressed about situation, doesn't mean things won't change. Stay positive and have faith. Change isn't easy its usually painful but you have to be patient trust Allah and keep going

 

[Black.Mamba]

Diaspora will change opinion again if things settle down, it's volatile currently. Nothing is set in stone. If IK comes back tomorrow then what do you think will happen? Pointless to make any judgement on anything currentlym Lots of people throughout board are depressed about situation, doesn't mean things won't change. Stay positive and have faith. Change isn't easy its usually painful but you have to be patient trust Allah and keep going

 

[Clutch]

Listen Mir Bajwa don't do anything stupid against imran khan and dig your own grave. Generals like you never faced a leader like him before so this time be careful.

Hubris and megalomania are a powerful toxic cocktail. It has blinded the Bajwa and Army Core Commanders and the elite Officer class.

They will murder anyone including Imran Khan to save their empire of greed and corruption. Defence of Pakistan was never their primary objective. They only serve the interest of Foreign powers and their own ill gotten wealth.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

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Not necessarily, just pointing out that diaspora online especially aren't most reliable way to determine sentiments. Even more so during these unprecedented events. If anyone has read anything about prophecies, then you would know that this was going to happen, khair all we can do is pray that some good will come out of this situation.

One positive from everything that's happened is that Imran Khan has emerged as a true leader that has mass support in the whole.of Pakistan. This happened overnight and was not the case before March. Imrans popularity is increasing day by day. Another positive is PPPs grip is weakening in Sindh.
There is change for PTI to make inroads here - unimaginable a few months ago.

My point is whatever is happening may seem like a disaster, but there re many silver linings. Maybe for the first time we hill have a nationalist government with a 2/3 majority which would never have happened without this current scenario

Imran is reviving Islamic/Muslim nationalism which is exactly what was used for Paks creation. This is a really positive step that is uniting everyone:

We are in this bad situation because we have strayed away from Islam , when we will turn to Islam then our problems will be solved. What is happening is also a form of azaab from Allah. Imran ideology of riyast e Madinah is what is needed to take us out of his zalalat

 

[Olympus81]

Bajway ko itni gaaliya par rahi hai.

Bichara hichkiya maar maar ke mar gaya hoga.

The biggest outcome from this fiasco, the way I see, is not Imran Khan or his popularity, but establishment’s being exposed. That my friends have been the best thing to happen.

Imran Khan was a catalyst. He has done his job. Anything more in a bonus.

The system needs a rejig and we are getting there. The establishment role has to be curtailed strictly to military affairs. It’s better they realize it themselves, or else they’d be swept under the public tsunami.

 

[Sinnerman108]

your point about geopolitical meddling is noted. There was no foreign intervention in Afghanistan until 1970s. It was a backward society even compared to Pakistan

Good,
but i think the term great game was coined way before that,
wasn't Afghanistan carved out as a buffer between British and Russian empires ?

Now, think logically and carefully,

Germany is half the size of pakistan population and land mass.
Germany has freezing snow in the winter for atleast 3-4 months.
The geography is not favorable.

Pakistan on the other hand has almost 5 weather,
more fertile land and agriculture,
more water resources,
more population,
more minerals
better geo-location.

Yet each and every leader since pakistan's inception has been a US approved one,
CIA's own declassified files say so.

PS: Don't talk about backward societies etc, none has blood on their hands as much as the "civilized" societies, Be that from political meddling, or nuclear weapon usage.

 

[Catalystic]

This guy Bajwa should had retired at post of Lt Col. This incompetent piece of sh*t never deserved further promotion after serving as a Lt Col. This was his father in law who carried him over till the post of Lt Gen and rest is history.

If this is now happening in the army then there is no more merit.
Its a sifarshi corrupt culture now.
Ye jernail kisi ki b hifazat nai kerainge bulke will suppress the people. Truly authoritarianism state, true to the new world order implementation!!

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

To make sure if I take his statement seriously or not, I will first have to make sure he wasn't drunk this time before coming on air.



But it isn't turning out gol is it? At least not for me and the people.

I know what your response will be to this

Drunk??

Good Sir. You would take serious PM Azad Kashmir or CM KP Mehmood Khan??

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567359968164327428

https://twitter.com/x/status/1054367290223943680

 

[newb3e]

bbc and David Attenborough should make a documentary on finding the rarest living organism in lumber one organization a general loyal to Pakistan! its been months and there is no sighting of elusive gairat mund loyal genrailll sabh in Lumber one institution in whole universe!

either he finds it or he explains why gairat and loyalty went extinct in lumber one institution i am sure thaikas and plot would be the reason!