Pak-Afghan Unification

[KingMamba]

Jahangir and Ghaznavid Empire ruled from Lahore, so did the Sikhs.

Yeah but they will say Mughals were Indian and Ghaznavid Afghan with these there is no doubt, you are right about Sikhs though.

 

[Kompromat]

Yeah but they will say Mughals were Indian and Ghaznavid Afghan with these there is no doubt, you are right about Sikhs though.

Muslim Majority princely states in modern day Pakistan were allied to the Muslim Delhi Sultanate. We always had a share of power, therefore most of the warfare took place in modern day india

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Because the Persian civilization had Indus as its border in modern day Pakistan and didn't spread further. Our ancestors from the Indus valley civilization, traded and seeded civilizational structure from the Persians which is why the west of Indus bank is classified as Indo-Persian.

Persian Civilization predates the IVC

IVC and Harappa were our ancestors which handed civilizational structure to other parts of India. The Indo-Aryan migration as it is believed also happened through what today is Pakistan to India.

In turn, IVC is a successor to the Persian civilization which was a successor to the Babylonians.

What in the hell are you even talking about?? Persians werent even around in the Middle when the Indus vally was alive.

And Persian lost much of their original Central Asian roots and took on Mesopotamian script, culture, architecture, etc. You're confusing so many things.

Indus people came before Persia, Persians.

 

[KingMamba]

Muslim Majority princely states in Pakistan were allied the Delhi Sultanate - we always had a share of power, therefore most of the warfare took place in modern day india

Haha true the thing is the people living in Pakistan did not care who ruled as long as they left them alone to do their own thing. When they interfered in the common folks lives revolts started or support shifted to the other side examples, Dullah Bhattis revolt against Mughals, Punjabi Muslims support for Ahmad Shah, and then later Punjabi Muslims support to Ranjit against Afghans after Ahmad Shah.

 

[Kompromat]

What in the hell are you even talking about?? Persians werent even around in the Middle when the Indus vally was alive.

And Persian lost much of their original Central Asian roots and took on Mesopotamian script, culture, architecture, etc. You're confusing so many things.

Indus people came before Persia, Persians.

Hulloo - go back and read again, we were talking about Elam the ancient Persian civilization from the bronze age. Don't start a troll fest that already has been stemmed.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

In terms of civilizations.

There's nothing like Indic, Iranic, Sinic, Gerco-Roman. Before them was Egyptian, Mesopotamian, etc.

Hulloo - go back and read again, we were talking about Elam the ancient Persian civilization from the bronze age. Don't start a troll fest that already has been stemmed.

Elam isnt Persian. Persians came into the Middle East much after. They lost much of their ways and took in a superior culture, Mesopotamian culture. But held onto their language.

 

[Kompromat]

Haha true the thing is the people living in Pakistan did not care who ruled as long as they left them alone to do their own thing. When they interfered in the common folks lives revolts started or support shifted to the other side examples, Dullah Bhattis revolt against Mughals, Punjabi Muslims support for Ahmad Shah, and then later Punjabi Muslims support to Ranjit against Afghans after Ahmad Shah.

Moral fo the story. Pakistanis will only look for their own interest and so we should. This should be a lesson for the future as well.

Elam isnt Persian. Persians came into the Middle East much after. They lost much of their ways and took in a superior culture, Mesopotamian culture. But held onto their language.

Elam flourished around the Iranic plateau

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Elam flourished around the Iranic plateau

Yes, but they're a whole different civilization and people. It's like comparing post and pre Columbus Mexico. And we dont know the extent to which these civs influenced each other, past the middle east that is. They were surely trading.

 

[notsuperstitious]

This is a good idea, by claiming afghan Pakistan were always one country, (and its possible in Pakistan where history is a subject for internet trolls to invent on the go), atleast the Pakistanis can feel good about the Afghani invaders who kept attacking an sacking ancient people of what is west Pakistan today.

 

[Kompromat]

Yes, but they're a whole different civilization and people. It's like comparing post and pre Columbus Mexico. And we dont know the extant to which these civs influenced each other, past the middle east that is. They were surely trading.

So were IVC to us and so on. No one is claiming a direct lineage, just civilizational spread, trade and culture.

This is a good idea, by claiming afghan Pakistan were always one country, (and its possible in Pakistan where history is a subject for internet trolls to invent on the go), atleast the Pakistanis can feel good about the Afghani invaders who kept attacking an sacking ancient people of what is west Pakistan today.

Actually we allied with them. Most of the ransacking, herms, somnath took place in Hindustan not here.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

So were IVC to us and so on. No one is claiming a direct lineage, just civilizational spread, trade and culture.

IVC is it's own civ/block. It's not simply "sonned" or a branch of another middle eastern civ. Sure, they influenced each other through cultural diffusion.

 

[Kompromat]

IVC is it's own civ/block. It's not simply "sonned" or a branch of another middle eastern civ. Sure, they influenced each other through cultural diffusion.

That is precisely what i was talking about

 

[Water Car Engineer]

That is precisely what i was talking about

seeded civilizational structure from the Persians which is why the west of Indus bank is classified as Indo-Persian.

In turn, IVC is a successor to the Persian civilization which was a successor to the Babylonians.

Actually, you were saying some sort of non sense.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Actually we allied with them. Most of the ransacking, herms, somnath took place in Hindustan not here.

Raja Dahir's sex slave daughters disagree with the mental gymnastics of their descendants.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Actually we allied with them. Most of the ransacking, herms, somnath took place in Hindustan not here.

You're really naive if you think these conquerors didnt do any dirty work with your land. End of the day, that's what they are - conquerors.

If you dont like your own Zardari, you dont know what hell your ancestors had to deal with in the form of those idiots coming from the west.