PAK-AFGHAN forces border clash!

[hussain0216]

Easier to deal with because smugglers on both sides benwfit lolz. Baboons are preferred by our colonials to others, so now dont make excuses and dont put them in same with others. These baboons r mostly trained in haqqania in Pakistan and do not represent afghans. They r imposed on them the same way this colonial army is imposed on Pakistan.

Don't be ridiculous with the cope

They are AFGHANS, they are as much afghans as any one else

If anything they fought against NATO, U.S, Soviet occupation whilst the other side were slaves every time

Afghans had the option of fighting against the Taliban and hundreds of thousands of Afghan troops ran for their lives, fundamentally the Taliban are part and parcel of Afghan society

We are always going to have trouble with afghans, they can't live in peace, it doesn't matter if it Taliban afghan or anyone else, we will just have to deal with the problems on a continuous basis

I have been hearing that for last 20 yrs.

Facts are afghan Taliban and TTP are roaming free in Afghanistan and openly attacking Pakistan..

Any other country in world be it nepal or bengaldesh or some African country like Namibia would have reacted differently

Reason why TTP will stay is to keep Pakistan relevant and probably get CSF fund resumed ..
We would like cash
Like we did between 2008-2017 untill Trump stopped it

We can mass slaughter TTP and their families, kill tens of thousands of them with massive bombs

As soon as pashtuns accept that we need to do this , then it will be done

 

[AgnosticIndian]

What happened to Anjuman there?

The Afghan economic minister gave this cuck an ultimatum of sanctions?

Someone on this thread and another was talking about how his friend always went to Afghanistan after growing a beard or at least a stubble, for reasons. Anjuman made the mistake of going clean shaven.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Ohh so u just woke up lolz. This is darul uloom haqqania, just outside Peshawar. Do u know where the haqqani network comes from?? The taliban leaders with surname haqqani is also from this medrassa, haqqani is not a tribe of pashtuns,its the surname commanders use who studied here. And its been operating since decades. There was a time that it would train and host more than 30,000 at a time. The annual production of this taliban factory was more than 30,000 a year and it operated for decades and still does. And this is just one medrassa, there are more than 70,000 medrassas that produce taliban.
When ppl like me tell the truth n show the reality then moron nationalist here blame pashtuns. Can u imagine such medrassas operating openly unless the establishment is on board??? Who funds them? Who supports them? Morons bere blame pashtuns but its the evil colonial army behind all this,they created this mess n still support it.

My aunt's husband is a deobandi maulana and from what I heard for some higher level courses they need to go to peshawar to study further - fyi his maddrassa is in the outskirts of Lahore

Goes to show how influential this Haqqani place is for the second biggest sect of Pakistan
And if that place is known to promote terrorist ideology for decades

Than all I can say is we're seeing the results

 

[TheSolution]

I have been hearing that for last 20 yrs.

Facts are afghan Taliban and TTP are roaming free in Afghanistan and openly attacking Pakistan..

Any other country in world be it nepal or bengaldesh or some African country like Namibia would have reacted differently

Reason why TTP will stay is to keep Pakistan relevant and probably get CSF fund resumed ..
We would like cash
Like we did between 2008-2017 untill Trump stopped it

CSF fund not likely. Was possible during full on WoT days.

Pakistan is genuinely struggling with TTP because of domestic backlash it could get if it goes aggressive on Afghanistan. Otherwise the red line is being drawn and they're constantly being warned. Since Taliban came to power, 3 or 2 strikes happened in total.

 

[ziaulislam]

CSF fund not likely. Was possible during full on WoT days.

Pakistan is genuinely struggling with TTP because of domestic backlash it could get if it goes aggressive on Afghanistan. Otherwise the red line is being drawn and they're constantly being warned. Since Taliban came to power, 3 or 2 strikes happened in total.

Well people in KP wants Pakistan to bomb kabul and target the leadership and areas..there will be no back lash over there


But obviously people won't like it if they randomly shell a town 10km from boarder would you want a town 10km from you be shelled ..??

 

[TheSolution]

Well people in KP wants Pakistan to bomb kabul and target the leadership and areas..there will be no back lash over there


But obviously people won't like it if they randomly shell a town 10km from boarder would you want a town 10km from you be shelled ..??

It's mainly Waziristan that is against it.

KP is mixed opinion, if you target TTP infrastructure specifically then most will not mind.

Waziristan doesn't care where or who, terrorist base or not.

BTW the shelling which happened was simply a response and the Afghans started it, they targeted a Shia Pashtun tribe at the border as well as another area.

 

[ziaulislam]

It's mainly Waziristan that is against it.

KP is mixed opinion, if you target TTP infrastructure specifically then most will not mind.

Waziristan doesn't care where or who, terrorist base or not.

BTW the shelling which happened was simply a response and the Afghans started it, they targeted a Shia Pashtun tribe at the border as well as another area.

Point is military is in bed with afghan Taliban and isn't doing anything

There are no clear red lines and that's a big problem

 

[TheSolution]

Point is military is in bed with afghan Taliban and isn't doing anything

There are no clear red lines and that's a big problem

Maybe, let's see what happens in the next few days as they had a meeting yesterday in Kabul.

There are some reports today that the most wanted TTP commander has also been assassinated - not confirmed yet.

 

[hussain0216]

Point is military is in bed with afghan Taliban and isn't doing anything

There are no clear red lines and that's a big problem

That's not true

The military have deducted that Pakistan's enemies want us to be in conflict with the wider Taliban

India will be happy we are at war

Pashtun nationalists will be happy that we are both killing their enemies and they could use the conflict to use as propaganda to incite pashtuns more

And nations wider would be happy to keep us busy and distracted


So at all costs Pakistan must not be sucked or suckered into a wider conflict

The Taliban are as Afghan as anyone else, the Taliban have fought for Afghanistan for decades


They are still afghans,, and no Afghan has been ever been positive towards Pakistan


But the Taliban ensure Afghanistan is isolated, the pashtun nationalists don't have a viable state to use against Pakistan and are stuck in no man's land.
India is out of the picture and even if they try to get back in we can control and target them
USA, NATO are gone


Pakistani establishment feels that low level attacks however horrendous can be managed, we can kill far far more of our enemies then they can of us

We can ruin their lives and the lives of their families and supporters more then they can do is




I would love for us to bomb parts of Afghanistan and maybe it will occur one day soon, but if we can avoid it and plot our way out that would be the better option

 

[ziaulislam]

That's not true

The military have deducted that Pakistan's enemies want us to be in conflict with the wider Taliban

India will be happy we are at war

Pashtun nationalists will be happy that we are both killing their enemies and they could use the conflict to use as propaganda to incite pashtuns more

And nations wider would be happy to keep us busy and distracted


So at all costs Pakistan must not be sucked or suckered into a wider conflict

The Taliban are as Afghan as anyone else, the Taliban have fought for Afghanistan for decades


They are still afghans,, and no Afghan has been ever been positive towards Pakistan


But the Taliban ensure Afghanistan is isolated, the pashtun nationalists don't have a viable state to use against Pakistan and are stuck in no man's land.
India is out of the picture and even if they try to get back in we can control and target them
USA, NATO are gone


Pakistani establishment feels that low level attacks however horrendous can be managed, we can kill far far more of our enemies then they can of us

We can ruin their lives and the lives of their families and supporters more then they can do is




I would love for us to bomb parts of Afghanistan and maybe it will occur one day soon, but if we can avoid it and plot our way out that would be the better option

Hence we will do anything what Taliban want..

What a stupid argument

 

[hussain0216]

Hence we will do anything what Taliban want..

What a stupid argument

On the contrary, however much the afghani have wanted to hurt us over the last 70 years, we have hurt them more

The Afghans have destroyed themselves because of their stupidity, jahilat and inability to live in peace with themselves or their neighbours

All they had to do was respect Pakistani sovereignty and borders and in turn Pakistan and Afghanistan could have had open borders, own trade, friendly relations etc

The Afghan chose this


The Taliban are a double edged sword for sure, but they will hurt us no more then any other afghan regime



The difference is that they will hurt the afghans more, why do you think the pashtun nationalists are so burnt up?



It's easy to think that the Pakistani establishment often don't think these things through and whilst their political machinations Inside Pakistan have held us back,, outside against our enemies they have on occasion pulled off incredible feats

 

[Menace2Society]

That's not true

The military have deducted that Pakistan's enemies want us to be in conflict with the wider Taliban

India will be happy we are at war

Pashtun nationalists will be happy that we are both killing their enemies and they could use the conflict to use as propaganda to incite pashtuns more

And nations wider would be happy to keep us busy and distracted


So at all costs Pakistan must not be sucked or suckered into a wider conflict

The Taliban are as Afghan as anyone else, the Taliban have fought for Afghanistan for decades


They are still afghans,, and no Afghan has been ever been positive towards Pakistan


But the Taliban ensure Afghanistan is isolated, the pashtun nationalists don't have a viable state to use against Pakistan and are stuck in no man's land.
India is out of the picture and even if they try to get back in we can control and target them
USA, NATO are gone


Pakistani establishment feels that low level attacks however horrendous can be managed, we can kill far far more of our enemies then they can of us

We can ruin their lives and the lives of their families and supporters more then they can do is




I would love for us to bomb parts of Afghanistan and maybe it will occur one day soon, but if we can avoid it and plot our way out that would be the better option

You are basically saying its okay for Afghans to attack Pakistan but Pakistan can't attack Afghanistan for fear of a war.

If Afghanistan want to declare war, do you know the absolute decimation they will face? Kabul will be flattened within a day. PAF will immediately dominate their skies. They are more scared of this than Pakistanis should be because it will be bloodbath at the border if they move their troops forward for an invasion. Unlike NATO, PA has supply lines in their own territory, this is a different scenario to the NATO invasion. Living in fear gets you nowhere apart from 20 years of bomb blasts.

There is a country that is allowing terrorists that attack Pakistan to be based there with free movement and do not consider durrand line as an international border. There can be no peace until this is resolved.

 

[hussain0216]

You are basically saying its okay for Afghans to attack Pakistan but Pakistan can't attack Afghanistan for fear of a war.

If Afghanistan want to declare war, do you know the absolute decimation they will face? Kabul will be flattened within a day. PAF will immediately dominate their skies. They are more scared of this than Pakistanis should be because it will be bloodbath at the border if they move their troops forward for an invasion. Living in fear gets you nowhere.

There is a country that is allowing terrorists that attack Pakistan to be based there with free movement and do not consider durrand line as an international border.

Look let me explain it a different way

The U.S is a superpower
The Taliban are donkeys

But after 20 years, a trillion+ wasted, thousands of deaths, the U.S left with its tail between it's legs



The Taliban are no worse then any other afghan nationalist regime over the last 70 years, prior to 2000s, every Afghan attack upon Pakistan was by Afghan/pashtun nationalists



So YES we can bomb the shit out of afghans, but then do we have the money or resources to control a terrorist response if random bombings?????

Everyone knows what kind of jahil donkeys afghans are, school children, mosques they don't care, afghans are more animal then human

At the same time,,, the pashtun nationalists will conduct the normal anti Pakistan, anti Army propaganda


Ask yourself does Establishment have the good will amongst Pakistani population to withstand the propaganda?????? THIS IS A BIG BIG QUESTION



so fundamentally,



Afghan Republic have fallen (BIG WIN)
India has been kicked out (BIG WIN)
USA/NATO are out of the region (BIG WIN)
Pashtun nationalists had the rug pulled out from underneath them (BIG WIN)


Now we have to deal with the aftermath

Taliban is not a cohesive coherent force, at the end of the day they still donkey afghans

TTP are still donkey afghans


Our biggest problems is too many tribals/pashtuns are also donkey afghans rather then patriotic Pakistani



Our best bet is not to be dragged into a war that WILL COST MASSIVE RESOURCES, but to use our assets to inflict massive pain upon our enemies especially TTP, BLA without any escalation anywhere else


To continuously use our advantage over the Taliban to hurt our enemies


It may mean we have to target TTP inside Afghanistan and get underlying Taliban acceptance of this



But being dragged into a costly war would be a victory for our enemies and be a failure for our planning

 

[TheSolution]

Look let me explain it a different way

The U.S is a superpower
The Taliban are donkeys

But after 20 years, a trillion+ wasted, thousands of deaths, the U.S left with its tail between it's legs



The Taliban are no worse then any other afghan nationalist regime over the last 70 years, prior to 2000s, every Afghan attack upon Pakistan was by Afghan/pashtun nationalists



So YES we can bomb the shit out of afghans, but then do we have the money or resources to control a terrorist response if random bombings?????

Everyone knows what kind of jahil donkeys afghans are, school children, mosques they don't care, afghans are more animal then human

At the same time,,, the pashtun nationalists will conduct the normal anti Pakistan, anti Army propaganda


Ask yourself does Establishment have the good will amongst Pakistani population to withstand the propaganda?????? THIS IS A BIG BIG QUESTION



so fundamentally,



Afghan Republic have fallen (BIG WIN)
India has been kicked out (BIG WIN)
USA/NATO are out of the region (BIG WIN)
Pashtun nationalists had the rug pulled out from underneath them (BIG WIN)


Now we have to deal with the aftermath

Taliban is not a cohesive coherent force, at the end of the day they still donkey afghans

TTP are still donkey afghans


Our biggest problems is too many tribals/pashtuns are also donkey afghans rather then patriotic Pakistani



Our best bet is not to be dragged into a war that WILL COST MASSIVE RESOURCES, but to use our assets to inflict massive pain upon our enemies especially TTP, BLA without any escalation anywhere else


To continuously use our advantage over the Taliban to hurt our enemies


It may mean we have to target TTP inside Afghanistan and get underlying Taliban acceptance of this



But being dragged into a costly war would be a victory for our enemies and be a failure for our planning

This is why I suggest using miniaturised nukes on Southern Afghanistan ,or whatever is available to achieve the same goal. Completely annihilate it.

It will save us a lot of time and headache.
Save us a lot of men.
Save us a lot of money. (Directly and indirectly since FDI and investment will return)
Save us from decades of more terrorisn to come.
Bring some stability for economic and infrastructural development.

It would get rid of the Afghan problem forever, now, and in the future. It won't return to haunt you. At the moment they keep prodding and wasting our precious resources and time. It is only going to get worse.

Get the world on board and end it, most countries won't care anyway they've had enough and despise them.

 

[Goritoes]

@Bleek this ethnic group will soon cross the point where re-educational camps won't do shit, in ko tu Gas Chambers mai dalna pare ga...