PAF's possible answer to MRCA

[Super Falcon]

well their are only two cheap option are avaiable J 10B and J 11 in reality we can get J 10B but it may have world latest radar and weapon system only than J 10 can give tough times to IAF MRCA yet J 10B has to proof it self in war time situation it is completely new jet needs atleast 5 years to get it han best self in world's most reliable jets but if we have money the best option F 15 eagle is if we get atleast 70 to 80 and along with J 10B 50 than we can take care of entire IAF

 

[Evil Flare]

Sir wo plane bna rhe mutton korma nhi jo tum keh do ge ki bhai jra masala tez kr dena

 

[SomeGuy]

su 30mki

Total indigenisation of Sukhoi Su-30MKI next year: HAL
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...genisation-sukhoi-su-30mki-next-year-hal.html

Indigenisation is not the same as R&D'ing technolgies and systems to upgrade with.

mig29 upgd

Initially, two MiG-29s will be sent to Russia for prototype development and the rest will be upgraded in HAL's Nashik-based Ozar plant.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/4167-mig-29-upgrade-sanctioned.html

The upgrades were R&D by Russia.
Installing upgraded systems R&D by somebody else doesn't count.

miraage 2000(9)

Dassault will upgrade the first two Mirages in France, where HAL engineers will participate in the work. The new avionics, to be bought from Israel, will be installed on the Mirages at HAL facilities in India.

The remaining 50 Mirages will be upgraded in India with technical help from Dassault, the Defence Ministry official said.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/29921-news-mirage-2000-upgrade.html

Same as above. Avionics were R&D by Israel.
How much R&D did India contribute to these new avionics upgrades?
Why do you still need technical assistance from Dassault?

Installing systems that somebody else develops doesn't count as R&D.

FGFA{pakfa}

Bangalore-based HAL has negotiated firmly to get a 25 per cent share of design and development work in the FGFA programme. HAL’s work share will include critical software, including the mission computer (the Su-30MKI mission computer is entirely Indian); navigation systems; most of the cockpit displays; the counter measure dispensing (CMD) systems; and modifying Sukhoi’s single-seat prototype into the twin-seat fighter that the Indian Air Force (IAF) wants.

The stuff you mention above can be found on 4++ generation aircraft.
The question is what 5 gen technologies are Indians contributing to PAK-FA?

 

[SomeGuy]

does India have Su-33??? I dont know..please clarify

No.

These birds are aging cold war era relics.

Only Russia operates these, but looking to replace them with more MiG29K

 

[mikkix]

Sir wo plane bna rhe mutton korma nhi jo tum keh do ge ki bhai jra masala tez kr dena

hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

 

[INDIAISM]

Indigenisation is not the same as R&D'ing technolgies and systems to upgrade with.



The upgrades were R&D by Russia.
Installing upgraded systems R&D by somebody else doesn't count.



Same as above. Avionics were R&D by Israel.
How much R&D did India contribute to these new avionics upgrades?
Why do you still need technical assistance from Dassault?

Installing systems that somebody else develops doesn't count as R&D.



The stuff you mention above can be found on 4++ generation aircraft.
The question is what 5 gen technologies are Indians contributing to PAK-FA?

don't u think experience gained through upgrading mig 29 and miraage 2000 in hal unit,manufacturing 100% su 30mki through tot and developing even 4++ gen stuff for 5th gen aircrafts will help us in improving LCA TEJAS

 

[Quwa]

no doubt j10b will match f16 blk 52 but as far as comparing j10b with rafale,eurofighter or super hornet is concern hmm i have doubt on that.............u can compare j10 with miraage2000,mig 29,f-16,gripen but as far as rafale,euro,sh18 r concern they belongs to a different league...........and ya don't 4get experience gained through miraage 2000 upgrades,mig 29 upgrade,production of su 30mki ,production of mrca and r&d for pakfa and amca will automatically help us in improving lca tejas to j10b level.............

Richard Fisher...a professional analyst...i.e. not some random forum 'analyst' has stated clearly that J-10B is going up the 4+ gen. route. So who the heck is anyone here to start contradicting him without specific details and comparisons?

 

[SomeGuy]

don't u think experience gained through upgrading mig 29 and miraage 2000 in hal unit,manufacturing 100% su 30mki through tot and developing even 4++ gen stuff for 5th gen aircrafts will help us in improving LCA TEJAS

I suppose you have a point.
India has access to technology from a wide range of sources and ToT can help domestic R&D.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

ur right abut them who cant even fly hawks properly n thinkin of flyin f-18s

dont make such remarks guys
they are a potent force of the region

it is their same harriors that sank our gunboats in East Pakistan

they have them parked by the conrtol line in Kashmir too in small airfields for surprise attacks.

we must respect the enemy for its abilities
our pilots are only good by the Grace and Blessings of Allah

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Richard Fisher...a professional analyst...i.e. not some random forum 'analyst' has stated clearly that J-10B is going up the 4+ gen. route. So who the heck is anyone here to start contradicting him without specific details and comparisons?

simple reason

restriction to advanced Western technology on China
Indigenous technology lagging behind by few decades

copying Western airframes wont automatically put Chinese craft in the same league as American planes

 

[SomeGuy]

simple reason

restriction to advanced Western technology on China
Indigenous technology lagging behind by few decades

copying Western airframes wont automatically put Chinese craft in the same league as American planes

If that's the best that some of the "random forum analysts" can come up with then Richard Fisher has nothing to worry about

 

[Quwa]

simple reason

restriction to advanced Western technology on China
Indigenous technology lagging behind by few decades

copying Western airframes wont automatically put Chinese craft in the same league as American planes

Proof that Chinese technology is lagging behind a "few decades?" On one hand we have - again I'd like to emphasize - a real analyst saying, "Both fighters may also be upgraded with a Chinese-built active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar which would elevate them to a 4+ generation level. When so upgraded, they will likely be competitive with U.S. 4+ gen fighters like the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the Lockheed-Martin F-16 Block 60 Falcon and AESA radar equipped variants of the Boeing F-15C Eagle."

Secondly, lets say that you're correct and Richard Fisher, "a Senior Fellow on Asian Military Affairs. [...] recognized authority on the PRC military and the Asian military balance and their implications for Asia and the United States" is wrong... how does that have bearing on the PAF being restricted with regards to how it equips its fighters?

 

[Machoman]

Richard Fisher...a professional analyst...i.e. not some random forum 'analyst' has stated clearly that J-10B is going up the 4+ gen. route. So who the heck is anyone here to start contradicting him without specific details and comparisons?

First of all j-10b is in testing phase so uncle Richard can only predict things like we do here. Until the plane come in really production and prove it that's it's really capable of what it says. So before that we cannot even talk about j-10b.

 

[Kompromat]

First of all j-10b is in testing phase so uncle Richard can only predict things like we do here. Until the plane come in really production and prove it that's it's really capable of what it says. So before that we cannot even talk about j-10b.

Same have been said by PAF pilots who tested J-10 and are involved in FC-20 Project if it satisfies you.

 

[Cent4]

First of all j-10b is in testing phase so uncle Richard can only predict things like we do here. Until the plane come in really production and prove it that's it's really capable of what it says. So before that we cannot even talk about j-10b.

hi
would you mind telling me whats the criteria wihch states that the a/c has proved itself. because I really dont see point of this discussion.
when a country like china want to develop an a/c for its airforce what do you expect from them they will go from 4gen a/c to 4++ a/c or they will go back to 3gen tech.
they will induct the a/c after a lengthy procedure of test n evaluation.
and believe me they will get it right. they have already developed 3 prototype.