JEFF
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Regardin ur 1st point it is quite clear to for me n u to understand wut IAF is goin to go for, i think ive clearly mentioned in the first post, read it again to clarify urself, i clearly meant SH it can be seen clearly.
But I didn’t raise fingure over the designation SH rather it was F/A-18, since there is a big difference between F-18 and F/A-18 as far as their dimension and certain changes are concerened.
Coming on to ur 2nd point, yes spares can be developed but in quantities mentioned by Boeing u jus cannot make spares in unlimited quantites n use them, there r always limits to the amounts of spares that u can make.
Why do we need to make those spares in unlimited quantities? As along as we can kept those SH flying with sufficient amt of spares till then I don’t think we need unlimited quantities of spares.
Reply to ur 3rd point, I'm sorry US aircraft aint like none other, u know this, Russian is full of old tech, n even European manfacturers lack behind US, because US is the trend setter!!!, has anyone come up with a 5th generation aircraft, even Russians r still in the designin phase of their 5th generation aircraft as far as Europeans are concerned dont know when they r goin to bring their 5th generation out possibly when US has already manufactured its 6th generation fighter!!!!
Well according to my third point I never braught the comparisons of US and all other aircrafts. Rather I bring IAF’s competence to handle different breed of aircraft. I guess you should one re-read my previous statement.
Reply to ur 4th point, jus tell me wut is the use of spendin $15 Billion to buy Sh when boeing has already stated that they r goin to take this SH into a 5th generation aircraft in the comin few years, by the time u get the technology after 2012,
Well as far as present thread perceptions are concerned we are spending $10 billion behind MRCA and not $15 Billion as you stated.
Moreover pls tell me or provide a link where it says that Boeing gona transform SH into 5th generation fighter in coming years.
we would be lookin into 5th Generation fighters like F35's which I'm pretty sure PAF will go for cause our Turkish brothers have already commited themselves to a 100 F-35's.
Oh my goodness, Purchases of F-35 by PAF from Turkish Bothers, then why doesn’t PAF purchase F-16s from similar Turkish Bothers currently?
U can use this $15 billion big ticket purchase n improve ur failed Tejas fighter n Arjuns,
According to your viewpoint Tejas and Arjuns are definetly failed, but we need to try in order to get failed, there is no shortcuts to success, those who don’t even try for the fear of failure are the biggest loosers in the world.
that way u will get self reliance n u will not fill beoing's pockets who will simply make more advanced version of SH a 5th generation one.
Pls provide the link to for Boeing project of SH of turning it into 5th generation one?
Reply to ur 5th point, there was a guy who went to a pharmacy n he asked for a medicine, the guy said him only 1 packet of the medicine he was annoyed he increased his purchase from 1 packet to 20 packs at the same moment, it's not abut spending money but u have ur pockets full of cash at this time, u shuld spend money in the quatities u need to, jus don't close ur eyes n distribute money to lockheed or anyone else,
I think we are well mature enough to take the decision in order to where to spends properly.
wut is the use of buyin C-130's when u r makin ur own transport aircraft????
That because C-130 will used in completely different role which our project transport aircraft will take some time to fulfill till it get inducted.
it is not how hard PAK hits India it is how good THEY hit them when they are in a fight with them that's why we survived 60 years of Independance with extremist always keepin an evil eye on our Country n willin to strike us anytime they get a chance.
I think above stuff is completely irrelevant to current topic.
Reply to ur 6th point, Indians need to learn not to teach US lessons as they r doin now,
I guess India don’t need to learn from you as how teach US a lessons.
u think u r smart at sayin wut u said to US, US is a real ***** n it will kick India's *** when it needs to jus wait n see, can't u see wut it did to Russia, learn some lessons from history, US cannot see some one comin near to it's level so it eliminates that country if ur's try to do that which im pretty sure u will then ur country will learn a hard lesson next after Russia.
I think you yourself has said that learn some lessons from history, well have we learn that lessons quite brilliantly and applying those learning in present scenario. Today’s world is more diverse and complex and hence US is currently finding it hard to cope with current geo-political scenario.
Reply to ur 7th point, hello wake up, they gave a green signal for the export of AESA not TOT AESA they wuld never give this tech to anyone, by the way can u provide me with a source that they have allowed indians to manufacture AESA in their country.
Truly said, even I confessed that I got little awry on previous occasion and said some invalid statement about TOT of AESA. But Boeing is quite keen upon providing TOT of AESA to India, but last words is only upto the US congress, even US congressmen has never stated that they will never provide India with TOT of AESA, so they might be reviewing about wheather to provide TOT over it or not and more or less is entirely dependent upon inking of Nucler pact.
U talk abut economical prosperous countru wut was ur dear friend Russia when it was broken by Bin Laden into pieces, it was a super power,
Ha ha ha ha, good entertaining stuff as Bin Laden broken Russia into the pieces. This is something hard to digest even Pakistani citizens over here.
so jus don't sink in this scenario that if u have a strong economy US will not keep an evil eye on u. US strategy is they will dry all the water from the river, then when u have no choice left to drink from u will beg for the water US has, get my point.
But our water sources are hailing from Himalyan regions as well as Monsoons, so don’t worry about US strategy of drying of all water from the river.
Goin the US way, Russia will not be happy!!!!
India is more then enough mature to balance Diplomatic ties with Russia and US.
As you seems to be quite competent in predicting the future so tell me as for what would be the reason for which US would banned spares for India when they need to ?Reply to ur 8th, 9th n 10th points, please clearly specify wut u mean by ur 8th point, I think india shuld learn lesson that not only PAF's F-16 spares were banned but even Turkey's F-16's spares were banned as one of the forum members mentioned it earlier, so get my point US doesn't give $hit as to who anyone is they will ban spares when they need to.
What are those needs?
Jus wonderin how will India have good experience in dealin with black markets, it has no need to, don't u think.
Now its upto you, since you were the one who braught the point of Black markets.
Reply to ur 11th n 12th point, o really old myth that India will not go for extra 74 when their squadrons strength has dramatically fallen, how will u bring ur sqaudron strength bak to normal,
But how does depleting in squadron strength translate you into bring those numbers back into order by getting extra 74 MRCA?
Since for that matter we have already order extra Su-30MKI.
by buyin more jets u jus can't bring in ur Tejas to fill the gap cause even it is no where near ready after Billions in R & D.
See Tejas is a learning platform for us. We can bring them into operation in a couple of years as far as eagerness of several foreign firm in helping it but we will not gona learn anything from it and hence it is taking so much time since we are undertaking all its entire development from scratch.
U talk abut budget PAK budget is like a glacier u can only see $4.5 billion at the top but they spend more than this,
Pls tell me a concrete amt that they spend more then $ 4.5 billion?
one of the members stated in his post that PAK has already crossed it allocated budget,
May be PAF has crossed its allocated budget, but that doesn’t mean that they can go on shopping spree all over the world.
so do u think our budget is wut we say to the world, NO!!!!! jus dont think we cant afford Patriot's,
If you can afford Patriots, then why does PAF cancelled 18 F-16 order because of limited budget?
if PAF thinks it needs them they will get them no matter wut!!!!
But intense thinking of PAF doesn’t translate into a purchase of whatever they feel to purchase.
n we r not unbalancin the the balance of power in the region it is u who r doin that!!!!! wut we do is just a reply to wut u do!!!!!
Well we have two enemies to face and hence we can justify our purchase of weapons.
Reply to ur 13th, 14th n 15th points, PAF has always operated lower number of jets to ur 750 we operate 450 approximately so IF we buy 3 squadrons i think its fine because we have our JF-17 comin up with Western goodies on it so we don't need to purchase expensive aircraft we will build the aircraft at home n buy weapons from abroad.
PAF already operates a 2 engine fighter as i said IF they feel the need of goin this way they will no matter wut!!!!!
It is not PAF who is feeling about it rather your feelings, Just because they are operating two engine fighter in the form of Q-5 that doesn’t mean that they would be able to operate fuel hungry all other twin engine jets.
Thank's for wishin me best of luck for my exams, it's my second year finals
In what streams? I mean Commerce, Arts, Science, or Engineering.