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Exactly.I was watching documentry on Discovery Channel and they showed Israeli pilots dodging Egypt heat seeking missiles by flying extremely low so missile was unable to determine where is the real aircraft.it doesnt mean F16s will be flying hugging the terrain, if you below a certain ceiling, then it the radar cant distinguish the f16 from other sources. It doesnt mean F16s will be dodging autorickshaws!!
That maybe true but i tell you the pilot i was talking to definitely knew his stuff. I was particularly concerned about the MKI and i asked him and he wasnt really worried about the MKI at all. He told me that when our aircrafts fly low, the ground clutter disrupts the BVR missile seekers of the MKI. When our aircrafts shoot up their IR seekers can get a clear lock on the huge radar cross section of MKI's. This is just one tactic and it looks very effective to me; he told me that there were many other tactics that PAF has also developed.
Very true, infact my source has admitted that he and his buddies were sort of 'jolted awake' during the briefing on PAF tactics by the israeli pilots. He says he had never thought that the pakis could think up such radically different stuff.
He adds that the course ended on a very hilarious note when one of the israeli pilots recited the below joke ( in fluent Punjabi !??):
"What the Pakistanis know, the arabs know. What the arabs know, the israelis know. What the israelis know, the americans know. And what the Americans know, George Bush shares with the rest of the world!"![]()
Exactly.I was watching documentry on Discovery Channel and they showed Israeli pilots dodging Egypt heat seeking missiles by flying extremely low so missile was unable to determine where is the real aircraft.
it doesnt mean F16s will be flying hugging the terrain, if you below a certain ceiling, then it the radar cant distinguish the f16 from other sources. It doesnt mean F16s will be dodging autorickshaws!!
Exactly.I was watching documentry on Discovery Channel and they showed Israeli pilots dodging Egypt heat seeking missiles by flying extremely low so missile was unable to determine where is the real aircraft.
In the 1971 war, four F-104As were lost in combat against the IAF MiG-21s. One pilot successfully ejected from his F-104 over shark infested waters, but was never found by the Indian rescue team.
Muradk Is this true ?
Cant stop laughing after reading this; but since now we all know this tactic i am sure PAF will develop something new.
they were lost in the MiG-21 pilots dreams!!!
Okay, let me tell you something. You have to give it to PAF that the IAF was not able to annihilate them in the 2 wars. Why was it? It was a failure on IAFs part I feel. We have to Be Patriotic, but we have to learn from History too and learn to learn more. I have always felt the PAF is the best among 3 Pak Armed forces, but then again its me and my personal feelings.actually quite right ..... the PAF never flew beyond the initial few hours in 1971 ...... they never got the chance then .....
Okay, let me tell you something. You have to give it to PAF that the IAF was not able to annihilate them in the 2 wars. Why was it? It was a failure on IAFs part I feel. We have to Be Patriotic, but we have to learn from History too and learn to learn more. I have always felt the PAF is the best among 3 Pak Armed forces, but then again its me and my personal feelings.
Yes Pakistan Lost the 71 war . But let us not forget, they have learnt a lot from that. We must never underestimate them.ahmed am not here to get stuck in india pakistan we won we won contest ..... for in 1965 PAF had proved its self and in MY OPINION they won the air contest though losing the war .... and the situation got reversed in 1971 as a result of reversal of 1965 and the lessons learnt by IAF and now the IAF won in MY OPINION ....... and my opinion does not matter
in truth i think the objectives describe the victory/defeat. In words of Gen George S Patton "you are not beaten until you conceed so" and I agree. They lost the '71 thoroughly and that is the end .... they conceeded the war then .... so its useless to define who won the air battle ...... there is no doubt in 65 they more than managed to challenge IAF and maul it. in 71 they were very much limited to Air Defense role and downing more ACs by about 10 pieces of an invading AF is not a sign of victory ........ am not getting dragged into who won and who lost and who is better ....... read the military history of neutral countries and then reach your own conclusions .... i did so
Yes Pakistan Lost the 71 war . But let us not forget, they have learnt a lot from that. We must never underestimate them.
Yes, Think Tanks like X Man and others Admit IAF has some good Pieces of Machinery Like the SU30, which is currently the best thing in the subcontinent. But It doesnt mean the MKI is invincible, I am sure the PAF has taken the MKI into consideration in all their Plans.exactly my point, you learn from what has happened. no battle in todays world is new and innovative, its just history repeating itself, only with new tech.
and to underestimate is unforgivable but to overestimate is downright stupidity ........
acceptance of your own strengths and facts ... that is what is a pragmatic approach ....... and ability to understand them is intelligence