PAF & TuAF Were Ready To Enter Israel ?

[Taimoor Khan]

But the real question I asked was whether Pakistan was able to threaten Israel with an air offensive because China is now a superpower to rival USA?

That is the not real question. We don't know, no one here will ever know. Maybe some sort of no fly zone over Palestinian airspace might have been discussed (not Israeli airspace).

The real question is what prompted the 2am call and Israel accepting the unconditional ceasefire, mind you, they were talking about extending campaign to months if necessary. Perhaps America is freaking out of Chinese ingress through its allies in turf it enjoyed unchallenged influence?

 

[Saifullah]

Please dont call that loony bin "sir".

I am sure, you will agree with me, that people who hijack Islam for their own motives do not deserve any sort of respect.

When are you gona say that for the Gernailz and their loni tons who use Islam and have been using it as Toilet paper as well to clean up their mess?

Baki People who sell choran of peace on the dead bodies of Kashmiris ain't gona do sht about Palestine or Al-Aqsa.

 

[VCheng]

Perhaps America is freaking out of Chinese ingress through its allies in turf it enjoyed unchallenged influence?

Perhaps. But not likely.

(Claiming that Pakistan had a role to play in the ceasefire may be a stretch too.)

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Perhaps. But not likely.

(Claiming that Pakistan had a role to play in the ceasefire may be a stretch too.)

You can believe whatever you want. Feel free.

Besides, I never claim Pakistan played role in ceasefire efforts, what it might have done, along with Turkey to put pressure through other means. May I remind you, its was China which called the UNSC session and used rather harsh language against Israel. Chinese media, perhaps for the first time, took keen interest and sided with Palestinian narrative, which of course caused the non sensical out cries of anti-Semitism.

 

[VCheng]

You can believe whatever you want. Feel free.

Besides, I never claim Pakistan played role in ceasefire efforts, what it might have done, along with Turkey to put pressure through other means. May I remind you, its was China which called the UNSC session and used rather harsh language against Israel. Chinese media, perhaps for the first time, took keen interest and sided with Palestinian narrative, which of course caused the non sensical out cries of anti-Semitism.

Of course China wants to be seen as a champion of Muslim causes like Palestine considering certain world media stories about any alleged internal issues in this regard. These steps seems eminently logical from a geopolitical perspective, of course.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Of course China wants to be seen as a champion of Muslim causes like Palestine considering certain world media stories about any alleged internal issues in this regard. These steps seems eminently logical from a geopolitical perspective, of course.

So if you tie them all together, it makes perfect sense even from Pakistan point of view as well. As I said, I have never seen Pakistan use such blunt language before. If Pakistan is telling UNSC to get its act together, China saying it was just one country which blocked efforts in security council, that is the one country which is being targeted.

 

[Adecypher]

I don't want to be such a downer, but the way I see it is that we have little to no power projection capability. The military is not built to take on countries like Israel conventionally that are sitting 3000km away. If we were a regional power, with decades of experience in overseas ops, a carrier strike group or two in our possession, ample tankers for aerial refuelling etc., as well as the necessary logistical ability and established doctrines... then we could project power.

But that is not how our military might is built, it's built to contain a threat right next to us, and it allows us to throw everything we have at a much bigger enemy. Having a giant military to contain a giant neighbour is very different to having a specialised force with ample power projection to carry out well-planned and integrated ops overseas. Israelis, limited as they are, actually might even be better than us at this, they have experience carrying out airstrikes all over their neighbourhood, and the blessing of Uncle Sam.

And this is just an appraisal of where we stand militarily. I'm not an expert on the military matters, but I can say with a good deal of confidence that the diplomatic and economic picture is even more bleak for us. Countries who are being bailed out by international creditors, living off loans from allies and strangers, harried by the threats of FATF and other sanctions, with an already poor int'l image, countries like that don't get throw their weight around.

WOW...this should be such an eye opener and should be printed, framed and sent to the higher echelon of Pakistan's Strategic Policy makers so that from now on whenever they have to give an official bayan on supporting Palestine they MUST reference these 3 paragraphs just to make sure they are NOT making any mistakes...

 

[VCheng]

So if you tie them all together, it makes perfect sense even from Pakistan point of view as well. As I said, I have never seen Pakistan use such blunt language before. If Pakistan is telling UNSC to get its act together, China saying it was just one country which blocked efforts in security council, that is the one country which is being targeted.

Blunt language is just words. Who can think that Israel (or USA, for that matter) is a country to be deterred by just words given its record?

 

[krash]

I don't want to be such a downer, but the way I see it is that we have little to no power projection capability. The military is not built to take on countries like Israel conventionally that are sitting 3000km away. If we were a regional power, with decades of experience in overseas ops, a carrier strike group or two in our possession, ample tankers for aerial refuelling etc., as well as the necessary logistical ability and established doctrines... then we could project power.

But that is not how our military might is built, it's built to contain a threat right next to us, and it allows us to throw everything we have at a much bigger enemy. Having a giant military to contain a giant neighbour is very different to having a specialised force with ample power projection to carry out well-planned and integrated ops overseas. Israelis, limited as they are, actually might even be better than us at this, they have experience carrying out airstrikes all over their neighbourhood, and the blessing of Uncle Sam.

And this is just an appraisal of where we stand militarily. I'm not an expert on the military matters, but I can say with a good deal of confidence that the diplomatic and economic picture is even more bleak for us. Countries who are being bailed out by international creditors, living off loans from allies and strangers, harried by the threats of FATF and other sanctions, with an already poor int'l image, countries like that don't get throw their weight around.

It is a Pakistani coping mechanism, not to be taken seriously. The same excuses and hyperbole are used everywhere else as well. What else can you do when you are one of the most corrupt and undeserved people on the planet?

 

[notorious_eagle]

No one can say anything for sure as what transpires between the lines....do recall General Zia's visit to India when some million soldiers were standing eyeball to eyeball on the Indo/Pak border.
A few quite words conveyed were enough to bring a belligerent Rajiv Gandhi to his knees.

Mate

That was for the sanctity of the Motherland. Pakistan will do whatever it needs to do to protect its sovereignty. I am sorry to say that umbrella does not extend to the Palestinians. There is zero appetite among the policy makers of Pakistan to get into a shooting war with Israel thousands of miles away.

PAKISTAN FIRST

 

[Windjammer]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1365917737099154

 

[Englishman]

True, but what he is saying is absolute non-sense. There is no intention nor appetite for Pakistan to get in a shooting match with Israel.

One day my friend you may not have a choice. I'm confident that they have plans In place or the aspirations to obliterate Pakistan.

 

[Akh1112]

God isn't a delusion for me and most Pakistani. Perhaps he is for you. Maybe you may want to join the Hindutvaism...

Believing in god isnt, but relying on god to line your pockets is.

 

[Adecypher]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1365917737099154

In the group of the chosen ones who will liberate Palestine one day (Insha Allah) from the oppressors will be the ones having

on their shoulders...it is destined WE can argue as much as WE want and give our reasoning...Iook I am very gunah gaar banda may be I have the "least of taqwa" among all muslim PDFians on here BUT I know ONE thing for sure that Zulm and Zalim will never last forever (you can reference history)...if you have people who have solid TRUST in Allah SWT then NOTHING... and I meant NOTHING will be unachievable... do you even remember who were your islaaf ... the ones who defeated thousands with ONLY 313 marde mujahid...so I am very hopeful and NO adverse strategic and economic analysis will diminish my hope...

 

[Windjammer]

One day my friend you may not have a choice. I'm confident that they have plans In place or the aspirations to obliterate Pakistan.

When and IF that day comes, God Forbid, Pakistan will go out with a big bang.
And as a former Pakistani Leader once said......If Pakistan gets obliterated, there will be plenty of other Muslim countries left on the map, but there will be no more land for Hindus.....and same applies for Jews.