PAF Pilot's tactics on how to fight the MiGs used by Israelis

[Windjammer]

 

[Windjammer]

@Oscar @Horus @Irfan Baloch @Knuckles @Hodor @Taimoor Khan

 

[proud.pakistani]

Mossad has definitely one of best intelligence network, especially in the middle east. The basic difference between Mossad and ISI which I think is Mossad has global footprint whereas ISI has a limited regional footprint.

 

[Itachi]

Not a really great ending imo. "The write up somehow fell into the hands of the Mossad"....."You see we know about your air force & pilots already"

I hope the training manuals for the F-16's or the JF-17's are not in the hands of other intel agencies of the world? Because that would be really dumb...

On the other hand, the article also mentioned "authored by a unknown PAF pilot"....like what? Why wasn't the pilot praised & his manual officially adopted? If so, how did that official manual get into the hands of the Israelis? Was there a mole within the Egyptian Armed Forces that shared the manual meant for the Egyptians?

Not to say that the manual helped IDF (Israeli) adapt to fighting the Mirages. How do we know that the manual wasn't shared with the Indians to fight against our Mirages!? Who also seem to fly the Mig 21 Bisons... So many questions...

Either way, it's good that the South Africans knew something good about PAF which PAF itself didn't knew about & it made the impression the start of a lasting relationship.

Bravo PAF?

 

[Windjammer]

Not a really great ending imo. "The write up somehow fell into the hands of the Mossad"....."You see we know about your air force & pilots already"

I hope the training manuals for the F-16's or the JF-17's are not in the hands of other intel agencies of the world? Because that would be really dumb...

On the other hand, the article also mentioned "authored by a unknown PAF pilot"....like what? Why wasn't the pilot praised & his manual officially adopted? If so, how did that official manual get into the hands of the Israelis? Was there a mole within the Egyptian Armed Forces that shared the manual meant for the Egyptians?


Not to say that the manual helped IDF (Israeli) adapt to fighting the Mirages. How do we know that the manual wasn't shared with the Indians to fight against our Mirages!? Who also seem to fly the Mig 21 Bisons... So many questions...

Either way, it's good that the South Africans knew something good about PAF which PAF itself didn't knew about & it made the impression the start of a lasting relationship.

Bravo PAF?

PAF didn’t operate the MiG-21s, the Manuel was created by the PAF pilot for the benefit of Arab pilots so they could develop tactics to fight with Israeli Mirages.
Thus it was the responsibility of the Egyptian authorities to safe keep the work.

 

[randomradio]

Looking forward to the "How a JF-17 ought to fight a ZZZ(insert Indian fighter)" manual.

 

[Windjammer]

Looking forward to the "How a JF-17 ought to fight a ZZZ(insert Indian fighter)" manual.

On the contrary PAF is keen to find out how the IAF deployed it's front line fighter to shoot down a balloon.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Flying comes natural to the PAF pilots like all other People of the Book....

Not a really great ending imo. "The write up somehow fell into the hands of the Mossad"....."You see we know about your air force & pilots already"

I hope the training manuals for the F-16's or the JF-17's are not in the hands of other intel agencies of the world? Because that would be really dumb...

On the other hand, the article also mentioned "authored by a unknown PAF pilot"....like what? Why wasn't the pilot praised & his manual officially adopted? If so, how did that official manual get into the hands of the Israelis? Was there a mole within the Egyptian Armed Forces that shared the manual meant for the Egyptians?

Not to say that the manual helped IDF (Israeli) adapt to fighting the Mirages. How do we know that the manual wasn't shared with the Indians to fight against our Mirages!? Who also seem to fly the Mig 21 Bisons... So many questions...

Either way, it's good that the South Africans knew something good about PAF which PAF itself didn't knew about & it made the impression the start of a lasting relationship.

Bravo PAF?

The folks from our regions aren't best in documentation. And, they don't exactly follow orders in verbatim!!! Every folk in his own!! One word documented means a hundred inside the head!!! Even if the documents fall in the enemy hands it'll only raise their anxiety 100 folds....

For example, when Gazi M M Alam came across the half a dozen IAF fighters he engaged them using his own acumen and fiercely independent mindset along with on-the-fly decision making capability without the help of any manuals; whereas, the IAF fighters tried to escape in a flock only to get shot like ducks...

 

[randomradio]

On the contrary PAF is keen to find out how the IAF deployed it's front line fighter to shoot down a balloon.

Cool. We can exchange manuals.

 

[Cash GK]

Not a really great ending imo. "The write up somehow fell into the hands of the Mossad"....."You see we know about your air force & pilots already"

I hope the training manuals for the F-16's or the JF-17's are not in the hands of other intel agencies of the world? Because that would be really dumb...

On the other hand, the article also mentioned "authored by a unknown PAF pilot"....like what? Why wasn't the pilot praised & his manual officially adopted? If so, how did that official manual get into the hands of the Israelis? Was there a mole within the Egyptian Armed Forces that shared the manual meant for the Egyptians?

Not to say that the manual helped IDF (Israeli) adapt to fighting the Mirages. How do we know that the manual wasn't shared with the Indians to fight against our Mirages!? Who also seem to fly the Mig 21 Bisons... So many questions...

Either way, it's good that the South Africans knew something good about PAF which PAF itself didn't knew about & it made the impression the start of a lasting relationship.

Bravo PAF?

you have point buddy

 

[Kompromat]

Damn Mossad

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Mossad has definitely one of best intelligence network, especially in the middle east. The basic difference between Mossad and ISI which I think is Mossad has global footprint whereas ISI has a limited regional footprint.

one ofmossad agent found it in a book store in some country. It was not secret.

 

[proud.pakistani]

one ofmossad agent found it in a book store in some country. It was not secret.

Still mossad did a great job in finding it. Basically almost every Israeli is ex millitary and if they come across any such info, they will immediately pass info to their intelligence agency. Similar can’t be said about any other nation.

 

[Riz]

Mossad has definitely one of best intelligence network, especially in the middle east. The basic difference between Mossad and ISI which I think is Mossad has global footprint whereas ISI has a limited regional footprint.

This is beyond your thoughts bro...

 

[Itachi]

PAF didn’t operate the MiG-21s, the Manuel was created by the PAF pilot for the benefit of Arab pilots so they could develop tactics to fight with Israeli Mirages.
Thus it was the responsibility of the Egyptian authorities to safe keep the work.

That's all good but what if Mossad had shared the manuals with IAF (Indian)? They seem to fly the Mig 21 Bison against our Mirages. Would be very embarrassing to learn that the IAF is fighting you using tactics developed by your own fighter pilots...

Either way, I'm sure all of this is in the past (hopefully) seeing as how we won't be using Mirages in any future (5-20 years) wars as front line fighters & the enemy won't be using Mig-21 Bison. Hopefully the PAF has learned from this.