How to deploy Air defence systems? Learning from Ukraine (in Pakistan Context)

[Oldman1]

Hi,

Ukraine did not face the REAL RUSSIAN threat---. Putin went totatlly against the advice of his generals---. They wanted quick action---a blitzkrieg----Putin went against their advise---.

He "ASSUMED" that ukraine will fall for peace right away---so he decided to go soft---.

Soon---ukraine will run out of ammunition.

The Russians did a blitzkrieg but bypass some of the Ukrainian forces and their logistics got hit hard being exposed as well. Remember that many posters think Kyiv would fall in a matter of days.

 

[MastanKhan]

The Russians did a blitzkrieg but bypass some of the Ukrainian forces and their logistics got hit hard being exposed as well. Remember that many posters think Kyiv would fall in a matter of days.

Hi,

No sir---they did not---. Otherwise ukraine was done in a couple of weeks.

The russian logistics got hit due to their casual approach to the war---allowed the west time to load up ukraine with weapons---.

Russian forces invaded Ukraine from six different directions and its invasion plan was well done. But Ukrainians began to fight back and Russian tanks are not survivable.

American tanks are survivable and troops can fight to hold ground even in less than ideal conditions.

Hi,

The russian approach was delayed and casual---. It allowed the west to load up ukraine with modern weaponry.

Putin rejected his general's plans to strike hard---because he believed that the ukrainians would come make peace right away---.

Putin gave over 30 days for the west to load up ukraine---.

 

[LeGenD]

Hi,

The russian approach was delayed and casual---. It allowed the west to load up ukraine with modern weaponry.

Putin rejected his general's plans to strike hard---because he believed that the ukrainians would come make peace right away---.

Putin gave over 30 days for the west to load up ukraine---.

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[hari sud]

Everything which the much touted US military hardware has failed. That $100 billion US aid is down the drain with much of the military secrets in Russian hands.

Hence what is there to learn?

 

[MastanKhan]

Everything which the much touted US military hardware has failed. That $100 billion US aid is down the drain with much of the military secrets in Russian hands.

Hence what is there to learn?

Hi,

It will take 10-20 years for the russians to come with copies of american equipment they got---.

By that time the US will be at a different level---.

 

[TopGun786]

Yes, I have no shame to admit that i was trolling.

Because every alternative day, people here post new thread about S400 missile defense systems and how can easily been destroyed. So my comments for too.

Coming to original point:

I still believe that pakistani most big cities are near by border, India is having huge stock of missiles with 150 to 300 km from prithvi to prahlay, if I add rockets too..

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/ind...-at-370-missiles-a-rocket-force-in-the-making.

It will be very difficult for pak sam to intercept those coming missiles. It wil be very challenging.

So basically, I believe you need a layer of defense for effective protect, you can not rely on one defense system. This is what india is working on it.. But unfortunate form pakistan, due to cities are closed with borders, it makes more difficult.



Question is why not if pakistan dare to attack on any indian city including kashmir?

We will attack. It will happen but not now. It will happen at the time when the world will be in extreme chaos (and Russia, Ukraine + Nato war is the first step towards it.... second and third will be Israhell's expansion and demolition of Masjid Aqsa plus the Indian genocide of her minorities, especially Muslims and all hell will lose in the whole of the world). Forget about just Kashmir. It will be on a much larger scale.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

We will attack. It will happen but not now. It will happen at the time when the world will be in extreme chaos (and Russia, Ukraine + Nato war is the first step towards it.... second and third will be Israhell's expansion and demolition of Masjid Aqsa plus the Indian genocide of her minorities, especially Muslims and all hell will lose in the whole of the world). Forget about just Kashmir. It will be on a much larger scale.

okay, but lene ke badale kho mat dena - PAk kasmir and GB, rest part - we are not interested.

I do bet online - usually three options available:

WIN/Lose/draw - They devided 100% into it

In the case of a war between India and Pakistan and the online bet will be :

India (WIn) : 70%
Pakistan: 5 %
Draw: 25% (Settlement)

This is known to Pak establishment and this reflects by planning also, PAK needs against Indian army units, made small nuclear bombs, but India is so confident that they don't need them. But if any small big bomb will use against Indian army unit, will respond with bigger bombs.

 

[TopGun786]

Pakistan: 5 %

That is the most ridiculous claim ever.
Well, Pakistan will certainly go nuclear. There are only losers in that kind of war.
The Whole of India will be wiped out... Whole/most of Pakistan perhaps also.
But we have to look at the result... A whole bunch or specific races will be wiped out entirely (the only Nation that resides only in India-Forget Bhutan). While Muslims will still be there in many other countries.
Moreover, as the whole terrorist India will be eliminated it will bring much positivity to the world.

This is known to Pak establishment and this reflects by planning also, PAK needs against Indian army units, made small nuclear bombs, but India is so confident that they don't need them. But if any small big bomb will use against Indian army unit, will respond with bigger bombs.

Only the bigger bombs from both sides. Pakistan has to sacrifice itself to eliminate a much bigger adversary.
It is also going exactly in line with Sahi Ahadees that say only 1 out of 100 Muslims will survive the final war (and those will be victorious).

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That is the most ridiculous claim ever.
Well, Pakistan will certainly go nuclear. There are only losers in that kind of war.
The Whole of India will be wiped out... Whole/most of Pakistan perhaps also.
But we have to look at the result... A whole bunch or specific races will be wiped out entirely (the only Nation that resides only in India-Forget Bhutan). While Muslims will still be there in many other countries.
Moreover, as the whole terrorist India will be eliminated it will bring much positivity to the world.


Only the bigger bombs from both sides. Pakistan has to sacrifice itself to eliminate a much bigger adversary.
It is also going exactly in line with Sahi Ahadees that say only 1 out of 100 Muslims will survive the final war (and those will be victorious).

I am saying that based on the history after 1947, only kids can be happy for such a small incident in Feb, 2019.

Well, no restrictions for the dreams. GO Ahead please.

 

[TopGun786]

I am saying that based on the history after 1947, only kids can be happy for such a small incident in Feb, 2019.

Well, no restrictions for the dreams. GO Ahead please.

History can take a sudden turn.... nobody knows.
All I can tell you Muslims will have a little part in the final victory.
You can see right now Muslims are very weak and not in a position to fight and win the war against any tyrant in this world. Their economy is weak, their military is weak, and most important of all their ''faith'' has become very weak. So how it will happen? We are clearly told that many times Allah helps believers and Islam through non-believer forces.
You can see it right in front of your eyes
Russia- Ukraine/USA/Nato war.
Future
USA x Russia X China war
China x India war etc
What will happen for the sake of power and control of world order they will destroy each other while making space for smaller less powerful nations.
A long story which I will cut off ---------------- Final blow will be from Israhell by demolishing Qbla -E- Awwal (Masjid Aqsa) and spreading towards Makka and Qaaba.
Muslim countries will gather with whatever will remain of them and there will be a final battle where almost all the world population will be annihilated (India will be long gone even before that).
Now you can laugh, make fun and say these are fantasies but have you ever wondered how somebody knew these things 1400 years ago and especially the evils we are facing right now, crises among Muslims, and all major events going exactly as they were told?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

History can take a sudden turn.... nobody knows.
All I can tell you Muslims will have a little part in the final victory.
You can see right now Muslims are very weak and not in a position to fight and win the war against any tyrant in this world. Their economy is weak, their military is weak, and most important of all their ''faith'' has become very weak. So how it will happen? We are clearly told that many times Allah helps believers and Islam through non-believer forces.
You can see it right in front of your eyes
Russia- Ukraine/USA/Nato war.
Future
USA x Russia X China war
China x India war etc
What will happen for the sake of power and control of world order they will destroy each other while making space for smaller less powerful nations.
A long story which I will cut off ---------------- Final blow will be from Israhell by demolishing Qbla -E- Awwal (Masjid Aqsa) and spreading towards Makka and Qaaba.
Muslim countries will gather with whatever will remain of them and there will be a final battle where almost all the world population will be annihilated (India will be long gone even before that).
Now you can laugh, make fun and say these are fantasies but have you ever wondered how somebody knew these things 1400 years ago and especially the evils we are facing right now, crises among Muslims, and all major events going exactly as they were told?

As said, there are no restrictions on Dreams.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

With ER-ADS, BMD phase 2 & S-400 such threats would look even hollow on paper, our main aim would be to take out their delivery mechanisms as well as warheads after that even in a war of attrition & their famed strategic depth we would finish them easily

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/indias-ad-1-missile-can-intercept-destroy-enemy-ballistic-missiles-fired-from-5000-km-away20221103171017/

No SAM system is foolproof, but if you have a better level of defense, it it most probably allow you to tackle more hits than nothing.

Geographical location plays a very important role, The same is true with China vs India, the Chinese have an advantage due to geography because their bigger cities are on the east side.

India vs Pakistan, India will have much better chances to survive and can save many cities, the same benefits go to china, they will have much better chances... India and China are very big countries, they have many Geographical advantages.

A few seconds and a few minutes play a major role in SAM defense systems.

AT present, India is vulnerable and doesn't have such foolproof SAM systems to cover the complete Indian sky, but in the coming years, the situation will definitely improve because they are progressing very well.

They are not relying only on the system, they are working on different types of projects, from small to large. it is good for India..

 

[TopGun786]

As said, there are no restrictions on Dreams.

Deep inside you know its true

 

[TopGun786]

Deep inside you know its true

Dee inside now you are worried a lot

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

No SAM system is foolproof, but if you have a better level of defense, it it most probably allow you to tackle more hits than nothing.

Geographical location plays a very important role, The same is true with China vs India, the Chinese have an advantage due to geography because their bigger cities are on the east side.

India vs Pakistan, India will have much better chances to survive and can save many cities, the same benefits go to china, they will have much better chances... India and China are very big countries, they have many Geographical advantages.

A few seconds and a few minutes play a major role in SAM defense systems.

AT present, India is vulnerable and doesn't have such foolproof SAM systems to cover the complete Indian sky, but in the coming years, the situation will definitely improve because they are progressing very well.

They are not relying only on the system, they are working on different types of projects, from small to large. it is good for India..

The best thing is Ghauri and the Ghaznavis are easy game for the MR-SAM. 18 squadrons + 5 regiments of MR-SAM/Barak-8 has made us almost immune to the threat of Pakistani TBM. Shaheen-1 can be intercepted too.
AD-1 missile of BMD phase 2 and 48N6E and 40N6DM of the S-400 family can intercept the Shaheen2/3 and Ababeels

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