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PAF participates in "Red Flag" and "Green Flag"
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same pics sir jee app or main bus 3 miutes agy peechy hai .hahhahahha look last page sir.
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ye kya sir itni jaldi deete ker de i was thinking you offer me mcdonald burger for delte images and i will agree burger with pepsi
love your pics sir.
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Kamra?
I know we are more than capable of doing it with technical help and we bought the stuff all at once but do you have a confirmed source? I mean if they MLU at Kamra than we might save some money though not much time.
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so no changes had been made to intial plans and this means all the participating f-16 will be comming home at the end of excercises.
Strange no news had spilled out of those 4 F-16 undergoing MLU since long ago and no news of transfer of MLU kits to Turkey or Kamra for remaining part.
It sounds whole MLU is getting delayed from its planned schedule and no sound reason comes to mind for delay!
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the turkish MLU program will start in October-2010. the 4 MLU a/c in US will be returned by end 2011. - MLU is not a simple 'paint job' excercise. the whole a/c is 'stripped' to its bare bones and re-built all over again. - takes time folks!
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the sequence IMO wld work this way
1. in US with PAF engineers already deputed to Utah to learn about the MLU.
2. in Turkey by TAI with PAF engineers deputed.
3. in Kamra - remember we have ordered 10 'extra' kits!!!
BM,
This is speculation in my opinion. The MLU is going on as planned with the first 4 planned for return to PAF in 2012. Usually the first batch of aircraft takes the longest because they are essentially test beds for the MLU (our MLU is much different from the ones performed on the EPAF aircraft or even the one done on RJAF F-16s) so it has its own unique integration challenges etc. Once those are done, the others would proceed to Turkey for the remaining MLUs. Nothing has appeared to the contrary to suggest that MLU is off schedule.
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My question is, Isn't 2 years a lot of time for them...because you can manufacture a new plane in less time than that?
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20th FW and Pakistani airmen reunite at Red Flag
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123217291
NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev: In a symbolic and historical event, Pakistan airmen flew six F-16Bs and 100 aircrew, maintenance and support members more than 7,700 miles from Pakistan to participate in their first Red Flag and Green Flag exercises at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. in mid-July.
There, the Pakistani airmen met up with the 77th Fighter Squadron, a past U.S. training partner from the 20th Fighter Wing, at Shaw Air Force Base, S.C.
"The deployment from home base to Nellis (AFB) was an unequivocal experience, considering the distance and the consequential use of aerial refueling," said Pakistan Air Force Group Captain Javad Saeed, the Pakistan detachment commander.
In 2006, the U.S. Air Force and the PAF came together for an exercise in Southwest Asia, said Capt. Lisa Spilinek, the 9th Air Force and U.S. Air Forces Central media operations officer. Since then, they have participated in normally scheduled exercises in that area, to improve U.S. and Pakistani interoperability and security relationships, and to demonstrate the U.S. resolve to support the security and humanitarian interests of friends and allies in the region.
"Since that exercise, the continued engagement we have had with the PAF shows our commitment to them and how important and strategic our relationship is," said Col. Don Godier, the 20th FW vice commander and the Exercise Red Flag 10-4 Air Expeditionary Wing commander.
"The spinoff of enhanced mutual respect and appreciation for one another is what has lead to continued engagements and up to Red Flag," Captain Saeed added.
"The 20th FW sent the 77th (Fighter Squadron) to participate in that 2006 exercise in support of the 9th Air Force engagement strategy focus and helped serve as a foundation for improving the interoperability between the two air forces," said Colonel Godier, who was also the 77th FS commander at that time. "During Red Flag 10-4, the 77th FS received the opportunity to fly again with the 9th FS from Pakistan, the same squadron they flew with in 2006, continuing the relationship."
Red Flag 10-4 gave both air forces the opportunity to learn and grow from each other through the opportunity to understand each other better culturally and professionally, Captain Saeed said. Both aspects are crucial for working on common objectives.
"The PAF's participation in this world-class exercise helps to build international air force cooperation, interoperability and mutual support," said Navy Vice Adm. Michael LeFever, the U.S. Department of Defense representative to Pakistan. "It is also significant as both a tangible and symbolic demonstration of the deepening U.S.-Pakistan strategic relationship."
"There is definitely a history between us and the PAF," said Capt. Max Johnson, a 77th FS F-16 pilot. "A couple of the Pakistani pilots recognized our patch and were asking us about a lot of the pilots from 2006."
Captain Johnson said he was surprised at the lack of the cultural barrier between them.
"Originally, some of us were expecting a language barrier working with (the Pakistani airmen)," the pilot said. "But, they all knew English very well. We were able to joke around with them and understand each other's jokes."
On top of all this, Red Flag gave PAF members the unique opportunity to deploy their assets and personnel halfway around the world, Captain Saeed said. It also helped provide them a contemporary air combat training environment for their less experienced aircrew.
Training together with coalition forces helps with understanding and communication, Colonel Godier said. It helps improve the effect and efficiency as combat air forces.
"Our participation together in this exercise has been not only valuable, but essential in that coalition forces are the key to success," Colonel Godier said. "It has been a long process of working together."
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123217291
NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev: In a symbolic and historical event, Pakistan airmen flew six F-16Bs and 100 aircrew, maintenance and support members more than 7,700 miles from Pakistan to participate in their first Red Flag and Green Flag exercises at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. in mid-July.
There, the Pakistani airmen met up with the 77th Fighter Squadron, a past U.S. training partner from the 20th Fighter Wing, at Shaw Air Force Base, S.C.
"The deployment from home base to Nellis (AFB) was an unequivocal experience, considering the distance and the consequential use of aerial refueling," said Pakistan Air Force Group Captain Javad Saeed, the Pakistan detachment commander.
In 2006, the U.S. Air Force and the PAF came together for an exercise in Southwest Asia, said Capt. Lisa Spilinek, the 9th Air Force and U.S. Air Forces Central media operations officer. Since then, they have participated in normally scheduled exercises in that area, to improve U.S. and Pakistani interoperability and security relationships, and to demonstrate the U.S. resolve to support the security and humanitarian interests of friends and allies in the region.
"Since that exercise, the continued engagement we have had with the PAF shows our commitment to them and how important and strategic our relationship is," said Col. Don Godier, the 20th FW vice commander and the Exercise Red Flag 10-4 Air Expeditionary Wing commander.
"The spinoff of enhanced mutual respect and appreciation for one another is what has lead to continued engagements and up to Red Flag," Captain Saeed added.
"The 20th FW sent the 77th (Fighter Squadron) to participate in that 2006 exercise in support of the 9th Air Force engagement strategy focus and helped serve as a foundation for improving the interoperability between the two air forces," said Colonel Godier, who was also the 77th FS commander at that time. "During Red Flag 10-4, the 77th FS received the opportunity to fly again with the 9th FS from Pakistan, the same squadron they flew with in 2006, continuing the relationship."
Red Flag 10-4 gave both air forces the opportunity to learn and grow from each other through the opportunity to understand each other better culturally and professionally, Captain Saeed said. Both aspects are crucial for working on common objectives.
"The PAF's participation in this world-class exercise helps to build international air force cooperation, interoperability and mutual support," said Navy Vice Adm. Michael LeFever, the U.S. Department of Defense representative to Pakistan. "It is also significant as both a tangible and symbolic demonstration of the deepening U.S.-Pakistan strategic relationship."
"There is definitely a history between us and the PAF," said Capt. Max Johnson, a 77th FS F-16 pilot. "A couple of the Pakistani pilots recognized our patch and were asking us about a lot of the pilots from 2006."
Captain Johnson said he was surprised at the lack of the cultural barrier between them.
"Originally, some of us were expecting a language barrier working with (the Pakistani airmen)," the pilot said. "But, they all knew English very well. We were able to joke around with them and understand each other's jokes."
On top of all this, Red Flag gave PAF members the unique opportunity to deploy their assets and personnel halfway around the world, Captain Saeed said. It also helped provide them a contemporary air combat training environment for their less experienced aircrew.
Training together with coalition forces helps with understanding and communication, Colonel Godier said. It helps improve the effect and efficiency as combat air forces.
"Our participation together in this exercise has been not only valuable, but essential in that coalition forces are the key to success," Colonel Godier said. "It has been a long process of working together."
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12 August 2010
The Pakistan Air Force has been participating in Red Flag 10-4.
August 12: The Pakistan Air Force has been participating in Red Flag 10-4 and Green Flag 10-9 exercises at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada over the past month.
Six F-16Bs from 9 Squadron based at Mushaf Air Base in northern Pakistan took six days and four stops to travel the 7,700 to Las Vegas together with approximately 100 maintenance, support and aircrew personnel.
During the 12 days of Red Flag, operations the PAF flew 57 air interdiction sorties and made 50 air-to-air refuelling hook-ups. The Pakistan airmen also met up with the 77th Fighter Squadron from the 20th Fighter Wing based at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina – the 20th FW sent the 77th FS to participate in an exercise in Southwest Asia in 2006, in which the PAF was a major player. "That exercise helped serve as a foundation for improving the interoperability between the two air forces," said Colonel Don Godier, the 20th FW vice commander, who was 77th FS commander in 2006. "During Red Flag 10-4, the 77th FS received the opportunity to fly again with 9 Squadron from Pakistan, the same squadron they flew with in 2006, continuing the relationship."
"There is definitely a history between us and the PAF," said Captain Max Johnson, a 77th FS F-16 pilot. "A couple of the Pakistani pilots recognised our patch and were asking us about a lot of the pilots from 2006."
AFM.
The Pakistan Air Force has been participating in Red Flag 10-4.
August 12: The Pakistan Air Force has been participating in Red Flag 10-4 and Green Flag 10-9 exercises at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada over the past month.
Six F-16Bs from 9 Squadron based at Mushaf Air Base in northern Pakistan took six days and four stops to travel the 7,700 to Las Vegas together with approximately 100 maintenance, support and aircrew personnel.
During the 12 days of Red Flag, operations the PAF flew 57 air interdiction sorties and made 50 air-to-air refuelling hook-ups. The Pakistan airmen also met up with the 77th Fighter Squadron from the 20th Fighter Wing based at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina – the 20th FW sent the 77th FS to participate in an exercise in Southwest Asia in 2006, in which the PAF was a major player. "That exercise helped serve as a foundation for improving the interoperability between the two air forces," said Colonel Don Godier, the 20th FW vice commander, who was 77th FS commander in 2006. "During Red Flag 10-4, the 77th FS received the opportunity to fly again with 9 Squadron from Pakistan, the same squadron they flew with in 2006, continuing the relationship."
"There is definitely a history between us and the PAF," said Captain Max Johnson, a 77th FS F-16 pilot. "A couple of the Pakistani pilots recognised our patch and were asking us about a lot of the pilots from 2006."
AFM.
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sir as per my knowledge of the upgrades of the existing fleet was to be donein tow key phases,
the MLU,
the STAR upgrade.
now while USA was to go with the MLU, they agreed to provide some MLU kits so that we can get our planes upgraded to MLU standard for whereever we want.
for this phase PAF chosed Turkey and as you said, may be PAC itself is to use these kits for upgrades.
the second phase will be the STAR upgrades that are signed with TAI and will begin from 2013 onwards.
well frinds this is a recollection of information scattered all over the previous pages and more details can be found in required in older posts.
regards!
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