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PAF locked on 9 shoot only two...PAF official....0n 27 Feb....

what evidence has India provided except for twitter rumors and some villagers mistaking ejection seat parachute for "dosra banda"?
PS: MS paint job does not count ;)
Sir, Dg Ispr Gafoor gave all the evidence, he said in media that the pilot died in hospital and backtracked later.
 
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It was not PAF or military decision but political elites "P.M" and F.M ask our forces to take revenge attack but not shoot down too many aircraft while PAF chief briefs P.M etc about the mission he reportedly told we can easily shoot down 6 to 10 jets but permission denied.

No one will believe you versus the only sadiq n ameen the soil has produced in 72 years
 
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No one will believe you versus the only sadiq n ameen the soil has produced in 72 years
Believe me I recently spoke to a person currently serving he says that when they came to know we can shoot more jet but permission denied we were in shock and grieved since we have shown a hidden capability and exposed our EW suits for the sack of only two jets....To develop such surprise capability we have spent two years and purchased some equipment.....

They are sad my bro many PAF officer angry over Govt decision not allowing them to shoot more Indian jets...
 
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Believe me I recently spoke to a person currently serving he says that when they came to know we can shoot more jet but permission denied we were in shock and grieved since we have shown a hidden capability and exposed our EW suits for the sack of only two jets....To develop such surprise capability we have spent two years and purchased some equipment.....

They are sad my bro many PAF officer angry over Govt decision not allowing them to shoot more Indian jets...

True story.

S/L Hassan had to really struggle to get the authorization.
 
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Believe me I recently spoke to a person currently serving he says that when they came to know we can shoot more jet but permission denied we were in shock and grieved since we have shown a hidden capability and exposed our EW suits for the sack of only two jets....To develop such surprise capability we have spent two years and purchased some equipment.....

They are sad my bro many PAF officer angry over Govt decision not allowing them to shoot more Indian jets...

I can only assume IMF had declared bombing India as Haram.

True story.

S/L Hassan had to really struggle to get the authorization.

That should not come out in public. The government is a security risk under IMF mediated PM Niazi
 
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Dust has settled. A year passed... where do we stand?

Now, at this moment in time, it is immaterial whether we should have shot 9 Indian fighters and sank that sub... Perhaps, now it is time to get out of could-have/should-have/whould-have to where we stand in time now...

It is immaterial to a degree whether IAF crossed a few kilometers or just jettisoned it smart weapons and turned tail.. It did so and that is that!!!

IAF used night cover and used deception tactics on other areas along the IB and then...we all know about the murdered trees and killed TheCrow!

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The PrimeMinister of Pakistan had already warned the valiant Indians that: Pakistan shall NOT think about retaliation...Pakistan WILL Retaliate!

So, in essence, the outcome could be nothing other than response.

The Indians were invited to sanity, rational discourse and solving problems through dialouge...but also, equally, forewarned!

Then came the IceMan DGISPR and did his presser...DontMessWithPakistan .... we announced that we are coming, be prepared Indians!!!!

We said: Now Wait for OurSurprise!!!

After their strike, or whatever it could be classified as, the Indians knew that there had to be a response...so they were alert and expectiong!

We chose the early morning BroadDaylight to convey the Message of Swift Retort!

As result of Operation Swift Retort ...the Indians had following to show to the world:

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And we had the following to show to the world:


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Modi won a landslide for murdering OurTrees and Killing TheCrow...all due to paralysed Indian opposition and HyperNationalistIndianMedia churning out 350 Tarrorishts Killed ...and Modi threatened Pakistan with the Mother of all NuclerWeapons..and Pakistan Bent the Knee... Indians went on and on...with this masla!

DaTeaIsFuntastic has now become a global meme and a delightful event as well... AussieJurno did his TeaParty to commemorate it!

We did our shows and just now a rather professional documentary is released with restrained chest thumping... just imagine what would the Indians have done if they had anything to show.

I have said and still maintain that PAF/PakArmedForces must erase Feb27th from memory!

However, the PakNation has every right to Celeberate Operation Swift Retort!

For the first time in past two decades at least we have PakPositiveNarrative based on FACTS!

And the good Indians have nothing other than ...well... Indianness to counter it.

It was perhaps NYT that published an article VintageArmy outlining AmericanDeepState frustration with the Indian capabilities ...which is supposed be a partner in ChinaContainmentParty playing along the ConcertOfDemocracies of SharedValues!

The Biggest, the Ugliest and the most Terrifying Truth that the Operation Swfit Retort exposed is:

There is NO Regional Hegemon!!!

This is something to be worried about..as it puts pressure on India to restore its media-created image of regional superpower... and when India goes on buying spree it, of course, requires countering too...hence, pressure on us.

Where are we now?

The AFT-Yank Deal is signed and it gives us a tiny glimmer of hope that OurBack will be less exposed when there is reduction in violence and AFT/IEA gets is fair share in power in Kabulistan.

It is going to take a decade at least for Kabulistan to become Afghanistan
...if America kinda-leaves..and that too as Friend-Of-the-AFPakRegion!

Perhaps we forget or don't understand that the IndianStrategy was and still is TwoFrontWar... the only deception that the good Indians did was trying to give the illusion of China as the second front.

The TwoFrontWar was and is from Kabulistan via proxies and then from OurEasternFlank conventional when we were to be softened enough... so the Peace in Kabulistan is NOT in India's Strategic Interests...

The first attempt to have the signatures on paper for TheDeal were sabotagged by India and Stay-in-Kabulistan factions of the US Establishment...and the factor in The ThirdActor!

It is in this backdrop that the valiant Indians did a paper excercise in their RSSDominated parliment and thought to solve the KashmirIssue with occupying force of 900.000 and PakKashmiris are still under curfew...some regional superpower this!

And this is ONLY reason that the Indians hurried the paper-excercise... and NOT because we didn't shoot 9 IAF fighters... some leg work is handy...but then internet is eazy-peezy!

Even before Balakot and Swift Retort the former RAW Chief wrote that if Kabulistan is to become Afghanistan then Gazwa e Hind will start...

The PaperDeal between AFT-Yanks is still on paper!

OurBack is still exposed
...and those who have invested $Blnz are not going to close shop or unemploy terror-enterprises against Pakistan....

TwoFrontWar is till being wagged on Pakistan...including from within Hybridwar supplemented with WeaponisedFinance and the woolly, comfy FATF!!!

The Japanese Amb. to Pakistan informs the relevant circles that Indian Embassies are engaging foreign countries/companies there to NOT invest in Pakistan. Something to think about, Paks!

The Fundamental Question that Indians fail to answer is: Why didn't they CounterStrike?

Why didn't the good Indians announce their own Operation Swift Retort Counter and came in guns blazing?

We must understand that India today is far more desparate than it ever has been..in the past 72 years!

Its true face is exposed by none other than Gora sahib who quite recently was Conducting the Concert of Democracies...

Its leadership has been successfully anchored with Nazi .. it cann't control the ragging protests...and after MaqboozaDelhi Genocide of Muslims.. evne the impotent UNHRC has come forward... and to top it all off its media-hyped jobless economic growth is stagnant to negative...and more pain to come...

The way both forces are positioned an outright frontal assualt by either is stillborn!

Both are dugg in and CeaseFireLine is nothing more than Longest Trenchwarfare in History!

In other words it is total Inertia...

The Indian strategy was/is to break this inertia through Kabulistan...and India was doing a great job at that.

Let us NEVER forget APS!!!

The only reason Vajpaee kept IndianTroops on the IB was to keep OurBack exposed!

India NEVER had an intention of war ...which would have cost it far more than it could bargain for... and even today it is the case!

The dicussion about 9 Locks or 27 Locks is good to get autoreactions of our conditioned brains/emotions...but does it help us in deciphering anything?

Operation Swift Retort was a magnificent artefact, a masterpiece of ScenarioPlanning, Training and Flawless Execution.

And it exposed the VintageArmy!

Now what difference would it make if 9 more jets were downed?

It would have left India with no choice to but to retaliate through CM attack..and then it would have left us no choice but to counter retaliate..and then......????

Eye on the Ball! Our Price is turning Kabulistan into Afghanistan!

With OurBack not exposed we can get on with building OurLand..knowing full well that India will do everything possible to not let us succeed economically.


However, CPEC is not just a road or some powerplants.. CPEC is a Framework... if executed correctly it might turn out to be an Opeation Economic Swift Retort.

For now we must keep putting pressure on India for its total Facism and keep engaging each and all... and of course, there is Price for the Deal as well!

Just to remind everyone..a nuclear war means death for everyone... even if we nuke India and they become ash..our weather system comes from the East... do we wish our children to dance in RadioactiveMonsoon?

Same goes for the Indians... even if they nuke us... they themselves will be glowing in the dark...

And of course, the minor question of the nuclear winter for the rest of the world.

By NOT bringing down 9 Indian planes.. PakState showed extreme maturity and restraint...and as a bonus got the Indian impotence exposed!

And yes, we all know that Indians have placed BraMos batteries in IoJK. What does it tell us?


I do appologise for rather boring post...perhaps it is an invitation to engage in more vigrous employment of mental faculties and SEE the entire picture.

Of course, let us not forget to call the PakArmedForces coward/traitors/incompetent....oh and corrupt...and let us also not forget the grow-balls fetish... never understood this obssession with balls... but then each to his own.

War is The Most Horrible Thing of HumanCondition!

Even with intergalactic Meteor NOTHING has changed on the ground!

We must work on Blk3 and get on with Blk4 Ideation ... Our most Strategic Weapon remains OurEconomy!!!

Rest is just tick, tock..... tick, tock!

If ever war happens it is going to be TheLastWar...and given the reptilians ruling MaqboozaDelhi ...Indians might fulfill the Prophecy in haste!

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P.S. The INS submarine should have been sunk and we must have kept our mouths shut after it. But it is what it is!


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Every second post, you prove yourself better than what you were before and the cycle continues....

“Hope for the Best, Prepare for the worst”
“Forgive But not forget”
“Experience, Understand, Improvise, Move on and Learn again”
”Don’t live in a fool’s paradise”

Above 4 quotes are my message to our military, and i believe that i or anyone here isn’t required to tell them the above as they are quite professional, but then again, REMEMBER, One should celebrate victory, but never look down on an enemy, victories come by tactics and strategies instead of Strength and power. Today you are the good planners, tomorrow they might have those as well... Stay prepared for the worst, Hope for the best.
 
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True story.

S/L Hassan had to really struggle to get the authorization.
Sir he was riding a double seater. Maybe the high ranking officer at his back shoot the missile

Believe me I recently spoke to a person currently serving he says that when they came to know we can shoot more jet but permission denied we were in shock and grieved since we have shown a hidden capability and exposed our EW suits for the sack of only two jets....To develop such surprise capability we have spent two years and purchased some equipment.....

They are sad my bro many PAF officer angry over Govt decision not allowing them to shoot more Indian jets...
I asked a serving pilot about it. He also said they also wanted that more jets should had been shot down but then realised that what decision taken was right.
 
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Sir, Dg Ispr Gafoor gave all the evidence, he said in media that the pilot died in hospital and backtracked later.
So thats considered evidence? If IAF chief mistakenly says PAF shot down 10 IAF fighters on 27th feb does that make it reality? NO! because their is no evidence supporting it! What Gafoor did was a mistake which he cleared with explanation.
All of abhi's missiles were recovered with serial numbers that can be traced back to IAF inventory.
 
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Dust has settled. A year passed... where do we stand?

Where do we stand? Few stand at the point like "I am right because its about me & me only" and other few stands at a point that "we are doomed because we exposed too much of ourselves" and the rest of the men are busy with routine & polishing skills further while spectating with smile from distance & says "the world doesn't ends here & commoners will never know". The permission to shoot wasn't just a phone call decision but professionals do know as when, where, what & why to shoot. There are lot of factors when we are the part of this world and that comes with responsibility as well, hence, one cannot go gun blazing. ROEs, diplomatic gains, respecting settled laws & above all; the resolve for peace while beating enough your rival. We shown one of our skills and forces do not just call it exposed to enemy. It was like a starter trick. The box is full of surprises otherwise, an extremist mind enemy like Modi would have already pulled another stunt within months.
 
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True story.

S/L Hassan had to really struggle to get the authorization.
It is similar to cases during Soviet Afghan War, back in the 1980s. Then again, they are government employees, one should get used to disappointment.
 
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Believe me I recently spoke to a person currently serving he says that when they came to know we can shoot more jet but permission denied we were in shock and grieved since we have shown a hidden capability and exposed our EW suits for the sack of only two jets....To develop such surprise capability we have spent two years and purchased some equipment.....

They are sad my bro many PAF officer angry over Govt decision not allowing them to shoot more Indian jets...
True story.

S/L Hassan had to really struggle to get the authorization.
Once I found out we could have shot down much more but our Politicians the president or PM whomever had only authorized to shoot only one down, My heart broke into 9 different pieces. PAF would have dominated the Asian skies and IAF would be in a dumpster fire.

Once upon a time Some one from PAF told me that when we had F-16's and no BVR (somewhere around the late 1990 or early 2000 or whenever there was an F-16 squadron at KAMRA) an Indian fighter had entered Pakistan airspace flying low level, Pilot engaged in a dogfight and was able to lock bogey with aim-9L/P and was not given permission too shoot the intruder (Imagine spending Millions of dollars on training/tactics, equipment and so on just to be denied shoot authorization). After the pilot landed and the ground, crew went to service the jet but the pilot jumped out of the f-16 threw his helmet on the ground and was in total disbelief and absolutely lost his trust (higher ups) and IDK what happened after that.
 
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How many IAF planes were locked?
9
How many crossed LOC?
1
How many were engaged?
2

Hassan wasn't allowed to shoot at first and was only given the authorization later on.
IAF didnt cross the LOC precisely because they realized their planes were toast.
 
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Ghafoor had the confusion even 10 days after the battle ? In a tv interview on 7th March he repeated the dead pilot statement. I think he is just a loose talker.
indians ind fking awesome!

thanks for being bitter delusional and entertaining us always welcome for tea! send some more supa jets our way!
 
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