PAF CAS confirmed the SU-30MKI kill in addition to MiG-21 Bison - Alan Warnes

[SQ8]

Denial of what? A Su-30 being downed? LOL
Yeah let me see the concrete evidence of the same and I’ll retract my statement.
If you have any irrefutable evidence, please do show. I’m sure even ISPR would be interested in your findings.
Read my other posts, I’ve given PAF credit where it’s due.
This isn’t one of them.

Does your side have concrete evidence of the F-16?

We have your folks parading a exploded 120 , what else are we to assume(leaving aside those of us who interact on and off with contacts and have more on this) that it hit something.

 

[araz]

No trolling, just not convinced or believe the ACMs words. When you’ve got skin in the game, it’s hard to take a biased opinion at face value.
Again, it really makes no difference boss. Let’s leave it at that.

You have a right to not being convinced. However an air chief does not fabricate lies to quote to an internnational publication. Moreover the journalist would also not take his word for it without proof. Alan in his post said that he had seen proof which was why he wrote what he wrote.
Rest as always is upto you.
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[Peshwa]

Does your side have concrete evidence of the F-16?

We have your folks parading a exploded 120 , what else are we to assume(leaving aside those of us who interact on and off with contacts and have more on this) that it hit something.

And I’ve been consistent throughout my posts (you can check them on this thread) that both claims of F-16 being downed and SU-30 being downed cannot be corroborated with evidence and hence we should stick to what can be facts that are irrefutable
MIG 21 being shot down
MI 17 being lost to friendly fire.
Your countrymen insist on Saying the SU 30 is “confirmed” kill while F-16 is a hoax. I say both cannot be confirmed with certainty.
My argument has been that except for the ACM statement, no proof has been presented nor evidence around the crash to indicate the SU was downed.

Don’t see what the issue here is except Pakistanis trying to shove their their version of events down others throats.

You have a right to not being convinced. However an air chief does not fabricate lies to quote to an internnational publication. Moreover the journalist would also not take his word for it without proof. Alan in his post said that he had seen proof which was why he wrote what he wrote.
Rest as always is upto you.
A

Does that apply to only the Pakistani armed forces or to those of any country?
Again, it seems you’re taking Alan Warnes on face value because it suits your narrative.
What proof has Alan presented except saying that the ACM confirmed it? That’s what I’m asking.
My stand has been, I haven’t seen any evidence of a SU being downed. If you have it, I would love to see this. Especially one that Alan Warnes has seen to confirm this fact.

 

[Peshwa]

Right. Enough of your smart aleck antics. There is a fundamental difference between the Pakistani claim and the Indian claim. The Indian claim of downing F-16 is refuted by the OEM. The Pakistani claim of downing Su-30 is not refuted by OEM. As a matter of fact, Pakistan and Russia just got closer by signing a pact of no first use of space weapons. Releasing details of Su-30 kill goes against Pakistan's best interests, hence an indirect reveal through international media. Don't expect any details to be revealed any time soon.

@WebMaster @Oscar @Horus @waz @Dubious I am flagging this person for trash talk targeting our ACM. In rubbishing Pakistani posters, he is actually discrediting the ACM. This can not be tolerated.

Yeah pentagon has denied any audit of PAF F-16s nor is it available for public domain. So not sure what confirmation you’re referring to by the OEM.

Or for that matter how Russia or Sukhoi as a company confirmed the downing of SU-30.

This is exactly the proof I’m asking for.
Your entire premise is based on the Foreign Policy magazine claim that the Pentagon has shot down.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Sorry brother you can dance around as much as you want but you cannot escape the fact that the entire political leadership and Modi’s military as well as common public were and to some extent still are consumed by their self made Bollywood drama.

Everything Indian side has claimed so far has turned out to be untrue and minus two pilots in custody gaffe everything from ISPR is true.

I don’t need to question and try to find out truth about SoSO strike. It was a complete failure at every level possible. I suggest you read this single article that pretty much busts every myth Indians created about satellite imagery.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.blo...balakot-jaish-madrasa-standing-reuters-report

Indians have at least seven spy satellites Pakistan has none. Why is India not releasing any photos??? Because they have none.
If you are that neutral perhaps you can clearly and unequivocally say that the strike failed and there were no damage or losses and the entire military and political leadership lied.


I rest my case .

Now let me get this straight:

Indians claimed 400 killed..... no proof found either satellite or on the ground of any damage at all. Indians lied and still sticking to their lie.

Yeah pentagon has denied any audit of PAF F-16s nor is it available for public domain. So not sure what confirmation you’re referring to by the OEM.

Or for that matter how Russia or Sukhoi as a company confirmed the downing of SU-30.

This is exactly the proof I’m asking for.
Your entire premise is based on the Foreign Policy magazine claim that the Pentagon has shot down.

Absolutely not. Pentagon merely said they cannot confirm and are unaware. Buddy we have permanent attachment of US personnel literally counting every admonished and spare required. Do you think they won’t report back a plane missing? Pentagon does not comment on every shitty question Indian media asks.

Also the pictures above are funny. By your defence official? Same people who got plastered for showing F 16 parts and that turned out to be Mig 21.

It doesn’t even look like parachute. All made up nonsense. Do you know how the parachute looks like?

Well Sir, what do you have to say about this tweet from an Indian Defence specialist on the crash of a second aircraft in Azad Kashmir. we know it is not the M21...View attachment 562671

You need to go to the nearest optometrist and buy thick glasses. Laser eye surgery is another option if you are seeing parachute in any of the above pictures::... wait I see it I actually see a Bollywood hero shooting down two F16s in the back ground .

 

[graphican]

Well Sir, what do you have to say about this tweet from an Indian Defence specialist on the crash of a second aircraft in Azad Kashmir. we know it is not the M21...View attachment 562671

This thing looks delta winged. Unless you claim you shot Pakistani Mirage, insistence of it being an F-16 is an Indian grade claim.

 

[graphican]

I am not saying or calling out the aircraft type. The IAF and experts/ vets claim its an F-16 (one even naming the pilot , but I am just saying its a PAF aircraft.

I am glad that you at least see a PAF Mirage in this....!

I do not see any PAF in it for sure and I never said its PAF's Miraje, but "if you had claimed you shot down a PAFs Mirag", which obviously you dont claim. You are speaking of your wishes not fact, and even your wishes are falling apart as visuals do not advocate what you claim.

To say the least, you guys are in a pretty bad mental condition.

 

[syed_yusuf]

I am not saying or calling out the aircraft type. The IAF and experts/ vets claim its an F-16 (one even naming the pilot , but I am just saying its a PAF aircraft.

I am glad that you at least see a PAF Mirage in this....!

it look like an Su-30 to me

 

[Windjammer]

It may be a Su30 indeed sir. But then why hasn't the Pak Army shown its debris to anyone? Remember this is falling in Azad Kashmir

What is the proof that it's actually falling in Azad Kashmir or even then how can you be so sure that it's not Abhi's MiG.......earlier some Indian posters were claiming that the following image is of Indian aircraft making a Trishul above the LOC.....in fact it turned out that the Indian aircraft was actually running away for dear life from a PAF missile.

 

[araz]

And I’ve been consistent throughout my posts (you can check them on this thread) that both claims of F-16 being downed and SU-30 being downed cannot be corroborated with evidence and hence we should stick to what can be facts that are irrefutable
MIG 21 being shot down
MI 17 being lost to friendly fire.
Your countrymen insist on Saying the SU 30 is “confirmed” kill while F-16 is a hoax. I say both cannot be confirmed with certainty.
My argument has been that except for the ACM statement, no proof has been presented nor evidence around the crash to indicate the SU was downed.

Don’t see what the issue here is except Pakistanis trying to shove their their version of events down others throats.



Does that apply to only the Pakistani armed forces or to those of any country?
Again, it seems you’re taking Alan Warnes on face value because it suits your narrative.
What proof has Alan presented except saying that the ACM confirmed it? That’s what I’m asking.
My stand has been, I haven’t seen any evidence of a SU being downed. If you have it, I would love to see this. Especially one that Alan Warnes has seen to confirm this fact.

And I’ve been consistent throughout my posts (you can check them on this thread) that both claims of F-16 being downed and SU-30 being downed cannot be corroborated with evidence and hence we should stick to what can be facts that are irrefutable
MIG 21 being shot down
MI 17 being lost to friendly fire.
Your countrymen insist on Saying the SU 30 is “confirmed” kill while F-16 is a hoax. I say both cannot be confirmed with certainty.
My argument has been that except for the ACM statement, no proof has been presented nor evidence around the crash to indicate the SU was downed.

Don’t see what the issue here is except Pakistanis trying to shove their their version of events down others throats.



Does that apply to only the Pakistani armed forces or to those of any country?
Again, it seems you’re taking Alan Warnes on face value because it suits your narrative.
What proof has Alan presented except saying that the ACM confirmed it? That’s what I’m asking.
My stand has been, I haven’t seen any evidence of a SU being downed. If you have it, I would love to see this. Especially one that Alan Warnes has seen to confirm this fact.

Alan was asked about whetherche saw proof and he said yes. It is due to be printed out in his June publication. Lets just wait and seewhat was he provided
Again a Defence journalist of Alan Warne's reputation just does not publish things for the heck of it.
Regarding the 16s claim it has been debunked by the OEM . So let it rest. Indian press has really lost its credibility due to its toing and froing with regards to the losses on 27/02. Basing a claim on a fuzzy picture in the absence of substantial proof in spite of OEM saying they have checked and found inventory intact is stupidity.
A

 

[Maarkhoor]

It may be a Su30 indeed sir. But then why hasn't the Pak Army shown its debris to anyone? Remember this is falling in Azad Kashmir

At sky you saw written it is Azaad Kashmir not IOK.

Ajj kiya dawai lena bhol gey thy?

 

[Peshwa]

Alan was asked about whetherche saw proof and he said yes. It is due to be printed out in his June publication. Lets just wait and seewhat was he provided
Again a Defence journalist of Alan Warne's reputation just does not publish things for the heck of it.
Regarding the 16s claim it has been debunked by the OEM . So let it rest. Indian press has really lost its credibility due to its toing and froing with regards to the losses on 27/02. Basing a claim on a fuzzy picture in the absence of substantial proof in spite of OEM saying they have checked and found inventory intact is stupidity.
A

Let’s wait for the Alan Warnes report in the June issue as you said. That should clear the evidence he thinks is valid to corroborate the ACMs statement.

On the issue of OEM confirming the F-16 being intact, can you point me to which report you’re referring to that has Boeing confirming an audit on PAF F-16s? Perhaps I may have missed this. I would be happy to be corrected if this is the case.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Ha Ha. Victim of your info warfare lets say

But seriously, the PA has done a superb job in covering up the loss of the PAF aircraft in P-O-K. Maybe our sust intelligence agencies can learn from this superior deception effort.

Not the P.A but the I.A, credit must goes to I.A and IAF.....only one success the have on 26 and 27 2 19 first they manage to hide the loss of SU-30 secondly IAF successfully manage to hide the black box of helicopter.

 

[araz]

It is to the credit of the Pak Army and its associated arms, that the loss of a PAF aircraft has been covered up so well. Kudos to them. Unfortunately, in the today's world with even the most lopsided buffoon is armed with a mobile phone with a camera, it's difficult to keep things under wraps. And as I see it, the pot is already leaking - with images floating around on the social media about another plane going down in the P-O-K.

It is a testament to Indian idiocy that in spite of no trace of the platforms debris, the OEM and the US Govt confirming PAF 16 inventory being intact that the Indians still religiously believe they downed a 16 from Abhi None done's plane which has 4 intact missiles to show the whole world and his statement that he was LOOKING for a target to shoot when he was shot down. But then you can believe on my friend.
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[Windjammer]

It is to the credit of the Pak Army and its associated arms, that the loss of a PAF aircraft has been covered up so well. Kudos to them. Unfortunately, in the today's world with even the most lopsided buffoon is armed with a mobile phone with a camera, it's difficult to keep things under wraps. And as I see it, the pot is already leaking - with images floating around on the social media about another plane going down in the P-O-K.

Yea as i said earlier your sole purpose to force upon your self that PAF lost an aircraft, well it's not going to do the IAF moral much good since they know the score well on who is hiding what.
One MiG-21 shot down in Pakistan territory, pilot captured.
One SU-30 meeting a violent end near Srinagar,
One Mi-17 along with six personnel lost in dubious circumstances.
But somehow Indians have concluded what's happened across the LOC but can't decide how their own Mi-17 crashed right over their head. .....anyways keep trying.....or as they say, have a blast till you last.