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PAF called in for air strikes in mir ali area of n/waziristan

the militants had left the area, and had probably pulled back to the Shawal Mountains, a remote area close to the Afghan border that has been used by members of the Taliban and foreign Qaeda militants.

These remote areas where there is probably no civilians should be bombed; that is, if the security forces are real sure about that this is an area that is used by the Taliban and the AQ.

It should be cordoned off so that the militants cannot flee.

As it is the US is flying all over this area with the UAVs and so they should be asked to surveil and give accurate information and then the Pakistanis could sort these blokes out!

No embarrassment in that since Pakistan and the US are allies in the WoT and Pakistan is asking for the same.
 
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Well no noice about innocent lives lost. No problem about the kind of weapons used. Let the same in kashmir and oh all hel would have broken lose.
 
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Pak bombs wreck anti-British firebrand’s mosque
(AFP)

11 October 2007

IPPI, Pakistan - The bombs that fell on this Pakistani tribal village spared little — and certainly not the historic mosque of an Islamic firebrand who led a rebellion against the British in the last century.

Pakistani jets launched air strikes on Ippi in the tribal zone of North Waziristan on Tuesday, amid some of the fiercest clashes in the Afghan border area since Islamabad joined the US-led “war on terror” in 2001.
The military said it targeted militant hideouts and that 50 pro-Taleban rebels were killed. But the few remaining residents of this village said the victims were all civilians, who died when the bombs hit a crowded bazaar.“It was like hell let loose. I thought that we had been struck by an earthquake,” shopkeeper Abdul Sattar Khan told an AFP reporter who reached the nearly deserted settlement.

Since the clashes started in North Waziristan on Sunday, around 200 militants and 47 soldiers have died, the army says.

About 60 percent of this village of 5,000 people has been reduced to ruins, the AFP reporter said, including the Fakir of Ippi mosque, a local landmark in this parched and mountainous region.

The mosque is named after the Fakir of Ippi, a wild Pashtun tribal leader who fought all occupiers for nearly three decades — first the British colonialists and then, after independence in 1947, Pakistani forces too.

He died in his bed in 1960, a free man, in what has been seen as an unpromising precedent for the hunt for Al Qaeda militants in the area including, possibly, Osama bin Laden.

Rubble was all that remained of the mosque after the strikes, previously a symbol of the conservative and semi-autonomous region’s defiance against the government in Islamabad.

Cattle heads lay infested with flies in the empty streets nearby.

The few remaining residents denied official claims that Ippi, the nearby hills and major town of Mir Ali some two kilometres (1.5 miles) away, are a sanctuary for jihadis who fled Afghanistan after the fall of the Taleban.
“They have killed innocent people and destroyed their homes. Everyone knows that there are no militants in this area,” said Khan.

The shopkeeper said jets came around 3:00 pm on Tuesday as the market was packed with shoppers from Mir Ali, where the army had closed the local bazaar when the clashes broke out.

“The sudden heavy bombing panicked people who were crying, screaming and running wildly in all directions,” he said.

The doors of many of the deserted houses, from which people had apparently fled in a hurry, hung on their hinges.

Not a single member of the tribal police force or other officials could now be seen.

Another witness, Mohammad Ali, said he was in Mir Ali on Tuesday when he saw three F-16 jets launching “pencil-shaped” missiles at Ippi.

“I heard several explosions after the jets fired the missiles and after a while injured men, women and children with bleeding wounds came running towards the stream,” Ali said.

Troops sealed off Mir Ali hospital, the only one in the town, and no one was given permission to enter, locals said.

The hospital was only admitting wounded security men, they said.
Dozens of injured civilians including women and children were taken to a hospital in the neighbouring town of Bannu.

An unofficial ceasefire held in the area on Wednesday as tribesmen buried the dead and uttered funeral prayers.

But the area was tense and panic-struck as Pakistani gunship helicopters flew over and residents feared yet another round of violence

Another example of sloppy targetting by Pakistani forces. They need to get their targets right, or else the consequences of these strikes won't be pleasant. Especially during the holy month.

Another significant thing is that the locals are denying that there are any insurgents in the area. So are they lying? If they are that means that they are allied with the Taliban.

If they are telling the truth, it means that the PAF is targetting the wrong people.
 
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Amazing still nobody in this forum is up in arms.
I guess its ok for Pakistan to inflict collateral damage for the sake of national security but a sin for any other nations.
 
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Pak bombs wreck anti-British firebrand’s mosque
(AFP)

11 October 2007

IPPI, Pakistan - The bombs that fell on this Pakistani tribal village spared little — and certainly not the historic mosque of an Islamic firebrand who led a rebellion against the British in the last century.

Pakistani jets launched air strikes on Ippi in the tribal zone of North Waziristan on Tuesday, amid some of the fiercest clashes in the Afghan border area since Islamabad joined the US-led “war on terror” in 2001.
The military said it targeted militant hideouts and that 50 pro-Taleban rebels were killed. But the few remaining residents of this village said the victims were all civilians, who died when the bombs hit a crowded bazaar.“It was like hell let loose. I thought that we had been struck by an earthquake,” shopkeeper Abdul Sattar Khan told an AFP reporter who reached the nearly deserted settlement.

Since the clashes started in North Waziristan on Sunday, around 200 militants and 47 soldiers have died, the army says.

About 60 percent of this village of 5,000 people has been reduced to ruins, the AFP reporter said, including the Fakir of Ippi mosque, a local landmark in this parched and mountainous region.

The mosque is named after the Fakir of Ippi, a wild Pashtun tribal leader who fought all occupiers for nearly three decades — first the British colonialists and then, after independence in 1947, Pakistani forces too.

He died in his bed in 1960, a free man, in what has been seen as an unpromising precedent for the hunt for Al Qaeda militants in the area including, possibly, Osama bin Laden.

Rubble was all that remained of the mosque after the strikes, previously a symbol of the conservative and semi-autonomous region’s defiance against the government in Islamabad.

Cattle heads lay infested with flies in the empty streets nearby.

The few remaining residents denied official claims that Ippi, the nearby hills and major town of Mir Ali some two kilometres (1.5 miles) away, are a sanctuary for jihadis who fled Afghanistan after the fall of the Taleban.
“They have killed innocent people and destroyed their homes. Everyone knows that there are no militants in this area,” said Khan.

The shopkeeper said jets came around 3:00 pm on Tuesday as the market was packed with shoppers from Mir Ali, where the army had closed the local bazaar when the clashes broke out.

“The sudden heavy bombing panicked people who were crying, screaming and running wildly in all directions,” he said.

The doors of many of the deserted houses, from which people had apparently fled in a hurry, hung on their hinges.

Not a single member of the tribal police force or other officials could now be seen.

Another witness, Mohammad Ali, said he was in Mir Ali on Tuesday when he saw three F-16 jets launching “pencil-shaped” missiles at Ippi.

“I heard several explosions after the jets fired the missiles and after a while injured men, women and children with bleeding wounds came running towards the stream,” Ali said.

Troops sealed off Mir Ali hospital, the only one in the town, and no one was given permission to enter, locals said.

The hospital was only admitting wounded security men, they said.
Dozens of injured civilians including women and children were taken to a hospital in the neighbouring town of Bannu.

An unofficial ceasefire held in the area on Wednesday as tribesmen buried the dead and uttered funeral prayers.

But the area was tense and panic-struck as Pakistani gunship helicopters flew over and residents feared yet another round of violence

Another Show of irresponsible reporting.

Another significant thing is that the locals are denying that there are any insurgents in the area. So are they lying? If they are that means that they are allied with the Taliban.
Ha ha ha. on the day when we start to believe these kind of reports we have done analysis.

If they are telling the truth, it means that the PAF is targetting the wrong people.
They are not telling the truth i mean journalists not the people.

Regards
Wilco
 
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WILCO frankly, you've got to trust the independent news agencies. These are eyewitness accounts from responsible agencies. If you don't believe them, you can't trust a shred of news you are getting and then you have nowhere to go.

Those journalists are among the bravest people on the planet to go in those areas and get back news.
 
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WILCO frankly, you've got to trust the independent news agencies. These are eyewitness accounts from responsible agencies. If you don't believe them, you can't trust a shred of news you are getting and then you have nowhere to go.
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Responsible ! i dont think so, who could be the batter eye witness then PA is there any ? & you are suggesting me to believe in some blah Blah news Agencies instead of ISPR & the jawans who are Fighting there. Right now no news agencie can claim that they knew what is happening in NW not even PTV even though PTV has more access then any body else.

So you give me two choices one is ISPR ( who are conducting it ) & one is Some News agencie who never visited there. i will surely Pick ISPR bcoz you dont have any credible source more then ISPR now.

Those journalists are among the bravest people on the planet to go in those areas and get back news.
i never doubt there bravery, but i always doubt there credibility.

Regards
Wilco
 
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Responsible ! i dont think so, who could be the batter eye witness then PA is there any ? & you are suggesting me to believe in some blah Blah news Agencies instead of ISPR & the jawans who are Fighting there. Right now no news agencie can claim that they knew what is happening in NW not even PTV even though PTV has more access then any body else.

PA as new agency? You've gotta be kidding me. PA is the worst and most biased way to get news. They will underreport their casualties, underreport collateral damage, and eggerate their successes. Isn't that obvious enough?

Do you trust the IA version of things in Kashmir? Thats why they have independent agencies there to get an unbiased coverage.

PTV? Again, AFP is a LOT more credible than PTV, because PTV has a stake in making everything seem goody-goody. Again, that should be obvious to someone of your intelligence.

So you give me two choices one is ISPR ( who are conducting it ) & one is Some News agencie who never visited there. i will surely Pick ISPR bcoz you dont have any credible source more then ISPR now.

Reuters and AFP do have reporters on the ground. Sheesh, thats how the get their news.

ISPR is definitely not to be trusted. Its like trusting the Xinhua for news about China.



i never doubt there bravery, but i always doubt there credibility.

Regards
Wilco

No brave reporter would risk hist neck to deliver propaganda. He is much better off doing it from his couch.
 
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Stealth Assassin said:
PA as new agency? You've gotta be kidding me. PA is the worst and most biased way to get news. They will underreport their casualties, underreport collateral damage, and eggerate their successes. Isn't that obvious enough?
LOL. There in no international Reporter in NW, can any agencie claim that?? we got our independent news agencies & they are saying 95% same as PA so i whink we have to trust PA.

PTV? Again, AFP is a LOT more credible than PTV, because PTV has a stake in making everything seem goody-goody. Again, that should be obvious to someone of your intelligence.
OK dont trust PTV, got he geo Ary, Ajj & many more you will have almost same result.

No brave reporter would risk hist neck to deliver propaganda. He is much better off doing it from his couch.
Reporters risk there life for money they will get from an interesting news they will put on, thats why they add there comments to make it interesting but taking it away from reality.

Regards
Wilco
 
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Hi,
i wana tell u that they can be F-7P because as u see in the defence.pk vedio that PAF has upgraded its avionics and introduce a new HUD( head - up - display ) which can guide the LGB's ( laser guided munitions ) to the target . this HUD is made by engineers in KAMRA to make it a very capable n presion strike aircraft against IAF . I think u remember that IAF has carried out a mission against PAk in kashmir sector in 1998 in which it used LGB's dropped from Mirage - 2000 which destroyed the whole area of tiger hills .
 
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Well I think that PAF should not hav been used coz PAF is a prestigious institution. As far as i know people killed in that bombing were innocent people.
 
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Well I think that PAF should not hav been used coz PAF is a prestigious institution. As far as i know people killed in that bombing were innocent people.

Not true. I dont know where did you get your facts from, but the truth is that more then 50 militants were killed in the airstrike however civilian causalties were also there but very limited. Most of the target bombing was done on definate intelligence and with precision guided ammunation to avoid civilian casualties.
 
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Well I think that PAF should not hav been used coz PAF is a prestigious institution. As far as i know people killed in that bombing were innocent people.
how do you know that ? i am intrested to hear it.

i dont know what is problem of some Pakistani people here, they dont trust the PA who protect them with there lives, but trust the Media who play with there lives. pathetic!

Regards
Wilco
 
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wilco - our media is in its infancy and they need to sell stories to make money - it depends on who (reporters) is actually reporting (kamran khan (ISI informant)) or hamid mir (anti musharraf), Javed malik (pro-musharraf). i think the PA has been very candid when they admit that more than 700 jawans and officers have lost their lives in the war against terrorism. can someone tell me how many pak jawans and soldiers embraced shahadat in 65, 71 and kargil and for that matter how many IA soldiers and officers have lost their lives in these wars (propaganda not-withstanding) and pls dont quote figures of NS (a**h**e)
 
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