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PAF bombing homes in Waziristan is Justified

Military was not involved in Politics this time lalla, you don't know how delicately the army played its role with respect and dignity. Stop sullying the name of our army.

During the recent dharna and after Peshawar, your own Media started quoting. with fear, Is military coming out of barracks once again. No because there is no musharraf in military for next 5 years atleast. :P

I have read from post#1 till the last hence my comments. Please refrain from getting personal and taking cheap shots at others for all they do is expose one's own self and add no more weight to their argument if any. Shoot the post and not the poster.
it was you who called us Morons :D Any ways, not reached that level yet ;)
 
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During the recent dharna and after Peshawar, your own Media started quoting. with fear, Is military coming out of barracks once again. No because there is no musharraf in military for next 5 years atleast. :P

Okay we are side tracking now... I could talk about this in a political thread perhaps but not here... Meanwhile:

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India has not dealt insurgency any where close to this which Pakistan is facing. Indian insurgencies are mainly mild unlike ours. India should thank Pakistan that we have not let hardcore TTP/Taliban fighting groups penetrate into Kashmir else they would had created havoc for your Army. Kashmiri insurgency is low infact for the last few years its next to nothing so Indians should be considered as least experience guys to teach us about the ways to handle such kind of war.

You lack knowledge, please go through Afgahnistan war and Factions modus operandi of Taliban, Pakistans covert policy.

Okay we are side tracking now... I could talk about this in a political thread perhaps but not here... Meanwhile:

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No, the elections are very much related to the current situation. The next elections will lead to IK's victory and he is going to stop all operation in FATA.
 
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That Akar Patel's article has literally messed the minds of these weak hindus. He claimed in the article that army is "unsuccessful" against Taliban because it is supposedly made up of Punjabis only who are also supposedly non-martial compared to the Pashtun Taliban(and Indians)... This Punjabi army rhetoric is an old Indian Hindu and Afghan propaganda tactic. But of course, what else can you expect from these passive aggressive banias?

And I reported his post.
These so-called analysts are vomiting crap such as this because in contrast to their expectations and wishes, the Pakistan Army operation in N-Wazeeristan did not result in a civil war. They are not interested in peace in Pakistan instead eager to watch her burning in flames of sectarian and all sorts of violence. I have also reported that post and I hope Mods will take strict action on that post.
 
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No, it leads to discussion. Question, how much weight do you lose every time you jump to conclusions, which seems to be a lot.
Those conclusions are coming from past scenarios. IK is known for its Dharna and Marches.
 
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NO! And that is the end of that! Now if you wish to discuss politics please be directed here: Pakistani Siasat

And Don't tell me what is going to happen and what is not going to happen in Pakistan, the situation here is so fluid it took brookings nine months to decided if Shareef is coming or going, so please don't sit there and tell me what is what.

No coming back to the point... Yes the bombing is in our land, it is conducted by our army it has the support of our government and they have the support of their citizens.

Dude I was replying to Ares guy where he was suggesting us to be gentle in Waziristan operation.

Leave him, he has already been reported for trolling.
 
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NO! And that is the end of that! Now if you wish to discuss politics please be directed here: Pakistani Siasat

And Don't tell me what is going to happen and what is not going to happen in Pakistan, the situation here is so fluid it took brookings nine months to decided if Shareef is coming or going, so please don't sit there and tell me what is what.

No coming back to the point... Yes the bombing is in our land, it is conducted by our army it has the support of our government and they have the support of their citizens.

I am not concerned about what NS is with the army or Army's operation in FATA. What I am saying is the current situation there looks worst. It looks like Baghdad. IF Imran Khan was in the government, he could have negotiated well, might have failed right now because he not in the government. And there wasn't any need of such operation.
 
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These so-called analysts are vomiting crap such as this because in contrast to their expectations and wishes, the Pakistan Army operation in N-Wazeeristan did not result in a civil war. They are not interested in peace in Pakistan instead eager to watch her burning in flames of sectarian and all sorts of violence. I have also reported that post and I hope Mods will take strict action on that post.

Reported as well. Nothing constructive in this thread for the last 8 pages, says volumes to be honest.
 
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I don't understand why Indians have any problem with it. How does it concern us if Pakistanis bomb their own villages and towns? If there was a refugee situation in India like during operation searchlight in East Pakistan then that's a different matter. But PAF bombing Waziristan does not and should not concern us. They have to take care of the mess they have created over the last few decades, it is up to them how they do it.
 
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Are you serious, that's your suggestion? Against an enemy that is occupying territory and is going to fight against it? If you believe India never conducted full on assaults against militants, then read about the height of the Kashmir insurgency. Google it, this is public information, I refuse to do your homework for you.
Well I am familiar with history of Indian insurgencies, never did we use aerial bombardment to flatten out the entire cities.
Karachi and Punjab don't have the problem of militants occupying and holding on to land, they're hiding in the shadows. With militants in NWA, they're working quite openly, so there is little need for intel seeking, when your enemy is right in front of you, shooting at you.

Actually the enemy is more brazen is your tribal areas, because there is no writ of the state in those areas...because your centre never tried to establish such since the beginning
It's clear you have no idea how the very basics of COIN-OP works, I would suggest you keep your comments to yourself, lest you sound ignorant of the facts.

Hmm..that is quite arrogant , i don't and you do..pray do tell, where did you receive special Coin Op training, that makes you such and expert.
While there are probably civilian casualties, I have no doubt that PA is doing it's best to avoid it. The fact that it has opened IDP camps, and is paying for everything from food and water, that is enough evidence that PA does not want civilian casualties at all. If they did, they never would have done so.

Why not disclose the civilian casualties, if they are doing everything to prevent it?

India has not dealt insurgency any where close to this which Pakistan is facing. Indian insurgencies are mainly mild unlike ours. India should thank Pakistan that we have not let hardcore TTP/Taliban fighting groups penetrate into Kashmir else they would had created havoc for your Army. Kashmiri insurgency is low infact for the last few years its next to nothing so Indians should be considered as least experience guys to teach us about the ways to handle such kind of war.

While you might have short term memories, or might be too young to remember it.
Kashmir insurgency was equally bad, afterall where as pakistan has lost Fifty thousand people in WOT, India has lost 60000 due to Kashmir insurgency alone...but we never used our air force to bomb Kashmiri villages.
 
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Well I am familiar with history of Indian insurgencies, never did we use aerial bombardment to flatten out the entire cities.
Artillery was used to target insurgents during the height of the insurgency. Artillery is 10 times worse, as it isn't as precise as an air strike.

Actually the enemy is more brazen is your tribal areas, because there is no writ of the state in those areas...because your centre never tried to establish such since the beginning
NWA*, the rest of the tribal areas are pretty clear, as operations were conducted there in the past with major success. While there are attacks there occasionally, they're largely peaceful with the military having an active presence, and the police growing in confidence.

Hmm..that is quite arrogant , i don't and you do..pray do tell, where did you receive special Coin Op training, that makes you such and expert.
Not arrogance, confidence. You study the subject long enough, you learn things, but even then, even if I did not know even the basics of coin op, which again in public knowledge (with numerous books being written on the subject), your suggestion makes little logical sense. All you need to do is deconstruct it with the common sense approach I provided.

Now, you tell me, what makes YOU such an expert that you're so freely giving out criticisms and providing poorly thought out suggestions.

Why not disclose the civilian casualties, if they are doing everything to prevent it?
And give the militants propaganda material? No thank you. Even one confirmed accidental casualty is enough to shore up sympathy for militant propaganda. See, this is common sense thinking, which is why I can safely say that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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No PR17/2015-ISPR Dated: January 15, 2015 Rawalpindi - January 15, 2015:

A delegation of ambassadors from friendly countries and UN agencies representatives visited North Wazirstan Agency today. Minister for SAFRON Lieutenant General(R) Abdul Qadir Baloch, Sartaj Aziz adviser to PM on national security and foreign affairs, and Lieutenant General Hidayat ur Rehman, Corps Commander 11 Corps accompanied the ambassadors.

The visiting dignitaries were briefed in detail by Operational commander on ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azb and the unprecedented successes achieved in the operation. The delegation was taken around captured and destroyed Terrorist hideouts, IEDs making factories, tunnels, suicide bomber training centres and recovered arms and ammunition. The delegation lauded the efforts and resolve of Pakistani Nation and the Army in their fight against terrorism and paid rich tributes to martyrs for their sacrifices to bring peace and stability in the region.

The delegation included the ambassadors of Afghanistan, Netherland, Australian High commissioner, Charge d' Affairs of Argentina, US and Germany, representative from UNDP,UNHCR,UN mission in Pakistan and WFP
 
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