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O wise one, please help me decipher this complicated statement, it is beyond my capabilities :cry:

Indeed.

The statement by London police only indicates that, in cases where ethnicity is known, Pakistanis stand out. It says nothing about the unknown cases.

I have gone up a font size this time to make sure you don't "accidentally" overlook the statement yet again.

On the contrary, I enjoy exposing your intellectual dishonesty.

Wrong, its at least 28%. "For groups one and two combined, the ethnicity of 38% of the offenders was unknown, 30% were white, 28% asian, 3% Black and 0.16% Chinese."

More intellectual dishonesty from you.

In the CEOP report, we have 1217 individuals.

For 38%, the ethnicity is unknown.

For 28%, the ethnicity is Asian, which breaks down as:
24% Asian - Other
1% Bangladeshhi
3.5% Pakistani

Yet YOU are making the bogus claim that the 24% (Asian - Other) are all Pakistani.

No where have I said that all of the 290 unknowns were Pakistani, stop putting words in my mouth.

Caught in your own lie. Here is your post


YOU modified the title to add the parenthesized "Read Pakistanis"

And please do share the news about the London Police special task force formed to tackle Tamil Hindu pedophile gangs.

I never said they were pedophile gangs, but gangs which terrorized London.
 
you are disputing the credibility of the report whilst simultaneously drawing on figures contained within it,

Wrong.

I am showing that even your own much vaunted report concedes that its data does not warrant drawing broad conclusions since it is meager and weighted. And I am showing that even your report does NOT substantiate your claims that Pakistanis are the predominant cause of child prostitution in the UK.

in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary

You don't have the overwhelming evidence, which is why you guys keep coming back to anecdotes and conjectures and personal opinions.

I keep asking for hard numbers and you guys fail to provide them time after time.

With regards to burden of proof, I offered you a clear description with links to relevant documents on how data relating to ethnic origin is collected by the Criminal Justice System in the UK which in turn explains the methodological shortcomings that CEOP itself refers to in the report that ultimately led to the number of Pakistani origin offenders being grossly underestimated.

You offered me bupkis!

You offered a bunch of excuses why you don't have hard numbers and we should just take personal anecdotes and opinions as evidence instead.

Since you are once again choosing to hide behind the lack of 'hard numbers', give it a few years and you`ll be blaming the explosion in conviction numbers on the usual suspect i.e. 'western/Jew/Hindoo conspiracy against Islam'.

Always entertaining when you guys run away from factual discussions into hyperbole.

Since you insist the figure of 5000 child prostitutes in the UK comes from the HO, please provide evidence to back up your claim.

I do not need to back anything since I stated explicitly that the figure allegedly comes from the Home Office, and I take their word for it.
 
Wrong.

I am showing that even your own much vaunted report concedes that its data does not warrant drawing broad conclusions since it is meager and weighted. And I am showing that even your report does NOT substantiate your claims that Pakistanis are the predominant cause of child prostitution in the UK.

I have at no point claimed that Pakistanis are the predominant cause of child prostitution in the UK. Please stop putting words into my mouth. What the 10 pages on this thread have been referring to is a particular form of child sexual abuse whereby groups of Asian men groom and sexually abuse dozens of vulnerable young children and members of the Pakistani community are significantly overrepresented in such cases, certainly on the basis of cases that have been successfully prosecuted in recent years.



You don't have the overwhelming evidence, which is why you guys keep coming back to anecdotes and conjectures and personal opinions.

I keep asking for hard numbers and you guys fail to provide them time after time.

As I stated earlier, please produce figures for non Pakistani Asian gangs that have been convicted of similar offences in the last five years which, as you claim, accounts for the significant discrepancy in the 'Asian group' of offenders.



You offered me bupkis!

You offered a bunch of excuses why you don't have hard numbers and we should just take personal anecdotes and opinions as evidence instead.

In addition the COEP report, you have been provided evidence of numerous convictions, news reports relating to dozens of arrests, testimonies by community leaders and even an hour long documentary produced by the left leaning BBC featuring a Pakistani presenter which predates many recent high profile cases yet you refuse to acknowledge the existence of a problem..


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Always entertaining when you guys run away from factual discussions into hyperbole.

I do not need to back anything since I stated explicitly that the figure allegedly comes from the Home Office, and I take their word for it.

Nice to know that, unlike us, you value 'hard facts' over speculation and conjecture..
 
No point in anyone burying their heads in the sand over this. These disgusting savages have been at it for a long time and it is high time the community starts to name shame, orchestrate, tell the police and even punishment beat these vermin.

It has soiled the community's name to no end.

The problem is that most communities have a very bad track record in confronting criminal elements within their own community.
 
$tupid heading.

So tomorrow you find a sex ring of 5 blacks, would you then go around and post this?

---- Young blacks [are] taught that white girls are cheap


So tomorrow you find a sex ring of 2 Hindus, would you then go around and post this?

---- Young Hindus [are] taught that white girls are cheap


So tomorrow you find a sex ring of 3 Sikhs, would you then go around and post this?

---- Young Sikhs [are] taught that white girls are cheap


I mean a criminal is a criminal. His religion should not be used to blacken all of them who follow that religion.


So please prove you are an educated person, and delete/ or change the heading.


This is terrible terrible way to post news.


peace

Relax.


It is very common these days amongst young Muslim immigrant boys to have this perception that White women are easy targets and since they are not Muslim it is completely permissible from a religious POV to harass them, molest them, and even rape them.

In most Muslim communities in the West, the parents are only strict on their daughters, while the sons go around partying, getting drunk, get high on drugs, have girlfriends, and then go to Mosques where they are taught that the West is evil and that it is permissible to kill or harm a White non-Muslim or any non-Muslim for that matter.


Now i'm not generalizing all Muslim men or all Mosques.

Europe should return to its Nationalist sentiments. All of these criminals who justify crimes in the name of religion should be sent straight to the gallows.


BTW, check out my thread:


Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia
 
@Desert Fox : Racist people latch onto such news and benefit from the fear. Police should take appropriate action and probably use volunteers from community as community officers to tackle such issues. Politicians should be able to talk openly without fear of being called racist.

In UK, recenly UKIP is on rise, they are not as bad as BNP but because no party talks freely like them, they are liked by quite a few people.
 
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On one level, this is no different from the usual sermon in any religion about staying true to moral righteousness and avoiding the temptations of a permissive culture, but if it gains a racial angle then it becomes problematic. The preachers should be instructed to avoid racial overtones in their sermons.

God [Allah] bless you for having the brain to accept that morals can be suggested but be never imposed in religion. May you and your family have peace

Wrong.

I am showing that even your own much vaunted report concedes that its data does not warrant drawing broad conclusions since it is meager and weighted. And I am showing that even your report does NOT substantiate your claims that Pakistanis are the predominant cause of child prostitution in the UK.



You don't have the overwhelming evidence, which is why you guys keep coming back to anecdotes and conjectures and personal opinions.

I keep asking for hard numbers and you guys fail to provide them time after time.



You offered me bupkis!

You offered a bunch of excuses why you don't have hard numbers and we should just take personal anecdotes and opinions as evidence instead.



Always entertaining when you guys run away from factual discussions into hyperbole.



I do not need to back anything since I stated explicitly that the figure allegedly comes from the Home Office, and I take their word for it.

Don't bother with the Pakistani or Muslim angle of things. You seem intelligent enough to understand that this is a South Asian (Indian sub-continent ?) problem. How do you propose that this shame be dealt with ?
 
Halla golla for what these white bit$$$$ They are all white trash nobody care about them not even their parents in US they are Sex Slave control by their Black Master. The exploiters are muslim in UK so its big issue yeh.

Is that how you defend your racist attitude.Shame on you:tdown:
 
We're spinning our wheels so let's agree to disagree.

Nice to know that, unlike us, you value 'hard facts' over speculation and conjecture..

Surely you understand the difference between taking the Home Office's claims on faith v/s random people on the net.
 
You seem intelligent enough to understand that this is a South Asian (Indian sub-continent ?) problem. How do you propose that this shame be dealt with ?

It goes even beyond South Asia. Pedophilia and child prostitution have been around since the beginning of time and around the world in all cultures.

Tackling the problem needs similar techniques as used against drug abuse, in the sense than both the victim and criminal angles need to be addressed.

The victims in this case almost always come from dysfunctional families -- regardless of social background -- where the girls seek self-worth and validation which they don't get at home or elsewhere. People living in the West understand that the pressures on young people, especially girls, to "have a boyfriend" are enormous. Lots of girls get into abusive relationships just to be in a relationship. That aspect needs to be addressed.

On the criminal side, law enforcement and social workers understand the issues behind pedophilia better than most of us. They know how to address the issue without getting hampered by media sensationalism.

On the community front, the community leaders need to accept responsibility that their preaching does not condone or inspire criminal activity. The men need to be taught social responsibility.
 
@muse, it would be disingenuous of me to claim that Islam specifically directs the faithful and go forth and prey on white children but I do feel there is a fundamental problem in how doctrinal Islam is understood currently that contributes to shaping Muslim perceptions in a manner that fosters intolerance, misogyny and contempt for the infidel. Although this does not automatically cause individuals to engage in violence or criminal activity, those who are criminally inclined could regard it as divine justification for their behaviour and,more importantly, it also encourages the wider Muslim community to ignore atrocities committed by the criminal minority among them.

I see the current crisis in the Muslim world and the fraught relationship between Islam and the West, which occasionally manifests through acts of terror against each other as well as criminal activity that clearly illustrate the contempt with which many Muslims regard non believers, as the direct consequence of the continuing ambiguity about Islam's place within the faithful's personal and public space. The West, no doubt informed by its own views on faith and its role in an individual's life in a secular tradition, continues to regard Islam as a religion i.e. a personal relationship between a Muslim and Allah whereas Muslims are encouraged by their clergy to treat Islam as a 'complete system' which governs every aspect of their life and determines their relationships with wider society.

I feel early Islam, despite its absolutist doctrine, was more tolerant of syncretic versions of the faith that emerged in its domain, for instance Sufism, since it was expanding from a position of strength, militarily, spiritually and scientifically and had this trend continued, one would have expected mainstream Islam to develop a more secular world view in due course.

For various real and imagined reasons contemporary Muslim society views itself as being under perpetual threat and the 'second coming' of Islam, fuelled by demographic explosion, petro dollars and the Faustian pact between the House of Saud and the Wahabbis has seen it challenging the West from a position of ideological weakness, leading to the ascendancy of the literalists and the consequent rise of bigotry, racism and misogyny across the Muslim world. Needless to say this has played into the hands of the Saudis who feel promoting their brand of the faith, essentially a form of Arab imperialism, would create a global Islamic identity that closely resembles the Saudi model of Islam and cast the kingdom as a 'model Islamic state', thereby burnishing their status as 'custodians of the faith' and further legitimising their oppressive regime.

Unfortunately literalists seem to be dominating the public discourse around Islam at present and as long as there aren't genuine attempts at introspection and reform from within, I expect racist and intolerant attitudes that eventually give rise to such crimes to continue gaining traction within Muslim societies.


An excellent post, I too think (as opposed to "feel") that what ever this "Real" Islam is, it promotes violent perspectives of the "other" and justifies them and I too think that we shall see many more of such eventualities before we see fewer of them - to my thinking, many in the West delude themselves in thinking "Real" Islam can be dealt with - "Real" Islam understands only one thing, sustained willful, resolute opposition to it, without any quarter.

Some say that I am suggesting "tough love" if you will, but "Real" Islam is not open to love of any kind, quite the opposite, it is a totalitarian vision of hatred, be it ethnic, or religious or cultural - and unless it is confronted on the very terrain it seeks to claim as it's on, sober persons will not be spared the judgement of history that their resolute opposition would more likely than not save many persons and allow this vile depravity of "Real" to be reconsidered by many who are under it's spell.
 
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Halla golla for what these white bit$$$$ They are all white trash nobody care about them not even their parents in US they are Sex Slave control by their Black Master. The exploiters are muslim in UK so its big issue yeh.

If it was your sister or daughter you wouldn't be so crass.What the **** are you doing there anyway if u dislike them so much?Pathetic,disgusting,disloyal hypocrite.I hope some neo nazis,pick u up and give u a good ramming up the ***.Then u will understand the effect of hate when it comes from both sides.
 
If it was your sister or daughter you wouldn't be so crass.What the **** are you doing there anyway if u dislike them so much?Pathetic,disgusting,disloyal hypocrite.I hope some neo nazis,pick u up and give u a good ramming up the ***.Then u will understand the effect of hate when it comes from both sides.

Ur asking these people to respect women , who make them to wear burka . if a girl is raped she need 3 or 5 alibi (MEN) to prove she was raped, they can marry 5 times but a women cant.. Ur barking under tthe wrong tree !!!
 
Did i hurt your feeling i am sorry baby :coffee:
The word i used is White Trash which is used by white people to call cheap low end Bit$$$$ with no moral and for your kind information they call Desi Sand Nigger you like that. :D


If it was your sister or daughter you wouldn't be so crass.What the **** are you doing there anyway if u dislike them so much?Pathetic,disgusting,disloyal hypocrite.I hope some neo nazis,pick u up and give u a good ramming up the ***.Then u will understand the effect of hate when it comes from both sides.

We don't mind if you allow your women to marry as many time you or they want Please invite us .:partay:

Ur asking these people to respect women , who make them to wear burka . if a girl is raped she need 3 or 5 alibi (MEN) to prove she was raped, they can marry 5 times but a women cant.. Ur barking under tthe wrong tree !!!
 
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