Over 8000 Kashmiri Youth Joins Indian Army

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[Capt.Popeye]

Wow, Are you saying that even Shabana Azmi has something to do with 8000 Kashmiri Youth who joined the Army?
Please do kindly explain the relevance of the Youtube video to the subject of the thread. I'm unable to understand it yet.

 

[Whiplash]

SOCOM stop derailing the thread with unrelated posts. Please go get a life.

 

[EjazR]

Plus muslims will never rise in the Indian Armed Forces like there are close to 0% muslim fighter pilot's in the IAF because they do not trsut Indian Muslims to fly expensive planes.

Idris Hassan Latif was Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Planning) in the rank of Air Vice Marshal(2nd only to Chief of Air Staff) during the 1971 war. In other words he was making first line assessment of frontline combat squadrons, getting first hand information on the progress of the war and the requirements of the units if any.

So forget just flying air crafts of which they are plenty, here you had an Indian Muslim making assements and santioning resources for the entire air force in the time of war!

Just a tidbit for others, he was a Hyderabadi


Some articles for you too read.

Indian Air Force :: Idris Hasan Latif

Air Chief Marshal Idris Hassan Latif was appointed as the Chief of Air Staff on the retirement of Air Chief Marshal H. Moolgavkar on 31 August 1978. Latif was born on 09 June 1923 at Hyderabad, Deccan. Educated at the Nizam's College, Hyderabad, Latif was the son of the Chief Engineer of the Hyderabad state, Mr. Hasan Latif.

Idris Latif joined the Royal Indian Air Force in 1941 at the age of 18 and was commissioned in 1942. On completion of his training at Ambala, he was posted to the No.2 Coastal Defence Flight in Karachi, where he flew vintage biplane aircrafts like the Wapiti, Audaxes and Harts, on Anti-Submarine flights over the Arabian Sea.

During 1943-44, he was one of the few Indian pilots to be seconded to the Royal Air Force in the United Kingdom. There he underwent training on more contemporary aircraft like the Hurricane and Spitfire, with the Operational squadrons of the RAF. He returned to India in 1944 and took part in the Burma campaign, flying the Hawker Hurricane for No.3 Squadron. This involved flying interdiction sorties against ground targets.

After the campaign, Latif was posted to Madras, but soon he joined No.9 Squadron in Burma, again flying the Hawker Hurricane. Under the command of Sqn. Ldr. Asghar Khan, he was good friends with both his CO and another flamboyant pilot, Flt. Lt. Noor Khan. Both the pilots went on to become Chiefs of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force.

When Partition bought with it the division of the armed forces, Latif as a Muslim officer was faced with the choice of joining both India or Pakistan, but there was no making up of minds for him. He was very clear that his future lay with India. Even though both Asghar as well as Noor Khan called him up to persuade Latif to join them in the fledgling Pakistan Air Force, Latif made it clear that for him, religion and country were not interlinked. It was no surprise that Latif made his way to become the first Muslim Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force.

After the war, Latif on, promotion to the Squadron Leader, became the Commanding Officer of No.4 Oorials, flying the Hawker Tempest. He led the first fly past over New Delhi, after India turned a republic in 1950. Afterwards Latif had the honour of being nominated to Indonesia along with two other officers to help induct Vampire fighters into the newly-born Indonesian Air Force. After returning from this assignment, Latif attended the Defence Services Staff College at Wellington.

In 1961, Latif was sent to the United States of America as the Air Attaché to the Indian Ambassador there. Latif also held the dual responsibility of Air Attaché to the Indian High Commissioner's Office in Canada. Even though international assignments as Air Attaché are limited to a duration of three years, Air Marshal Arjan Singh asked Latif to continue as Air Attaché for a second tenure.

Latif returned from the USA in 1965, just as war clouds were brewing in the Indian subcontinent. Latif was posted to Eastern Air Command as the Air Defence Controller and later was the Senior Air Staff Officer. Soon after in 1966, Latif took over as Station Commander Lohegaon Airbase at Pune. Lohegaon had the unique distinction of having, fighters, bombers, four-engined transport aircraft and WW2 Liberator aircraft, all of which Latif flew from time to time. After Air Chief Marshal P.C. Lal became CAS, Latif moved to Air HQ in the newly created post of Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Plans) in the rank of Air Vice Marshal, and in this capacity he carried out the onerous tasks of making first line assessment of frontline combat squadrons and the modernisation plans of the air force. For his role, Latif received the PVSM in 1971.

During the 1971 War, Latif was still the ACAS (Plans). He was keenly involved in flying to the frontline squadrons and getting first hand information on the progress of the war and the requirements of the units if any. Latif was in the Eastern Sector at Shillong when the surrender in East Pakistan took place. In 1974, Latif became an Air Marshal and held the appointment of Air Officer In-Charge of Administration at Air HQ. He became AOC-in-C Central Air Command afterwards. One of the memorable landmarks of this tenure was the Air Force relief operations under his stewardship during the Patna floods in 1975. Under his guidance, the helicopter pilots flew as many as 20 sorties per day to carry out humanitarian tasks. After a short while, he took over Maintenance Command. Latif then joined Air HQ as the Vice Chief of Air Staff, which post he held till 1978, when he took over as Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force.

As the first Muslim Chief of Air Staff of the IAF, Latif was involved fully in the re-equipment and modernisation plans of the air force. He convinced the government to approve the procurement of the Jaguar strike aircraft, a proposal which was lying dormant for over 8 years. He also held negotiations with the Russians and saw the induction of the MiG-23 and later, the MiG-25 aircraft into the IAF. Flying has always been a passion to Latif, and throughout his tenure, he never lost an opportunity to fly. In fact right up to the end of his career in the Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Latif was interested in flying and more flying. One of the last acts before retirement was to fly in the trisonic MiG-25, which was then just assembled from a semi-knocked down condition by the Air Force personnel.

Latif retired in 1981, after which he held the gubernatorial posts of Governor of Maharastra and Indian Ambassador to France. On completion of the tenure, he left France in 1988 and has settled back in his home place in Hyderabad.

and a more general article

Brave Indians, also Muslim

The story of Indian Muslims in India’s armed forces is far too nuanced to be understood by the bureaucratic inquisitiveness of the Rajinder Sachar committee. In the Indian Army, there are certain regiments with fixed community composition: the Sikh, Kumaon, Dogra and Jat regiments. For the rest of the army, as per government policy, all citizens irrespective of caste, creed or religion, are eligible for enrolment. Recruitment to the army is made from among the recruitable male population of each state as determined in the census.

At the time of Partition, the Muslim regiments which went to Pakistan were those comprising people belonging to areas that fell within the new nation’s territory. The departure of this large chunk drastically reduced the percentage of Muslims in the Indian Army. Officers and Junior Commissioned Officers were given a choice and a large number of them who served in regiments with troops belonging to divided India opted to stay here.

Officers like Brigadier M. Usman and Major Anwar Karim were persistently invited by Pakistan with assurances of high ranks and posts but they preferred to stay back. There are many regiments, which, within their overall compositions, have a quota for Muslims. These are the Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry, with 50 per cent Kashmiri Muslims; Rajputana Rifles; Rajput Regiment; Grenadiers; Brigade of Guards; Parachute Regiment; Madras Regiment; 16th Cavalry; 18th Cavalry; 71 and 73 Armoured Regiments; and the Corps of Artillery and Engineers. All other corps and units of the Indian Army, which have an intake on a zonal basis, have Muslims serving in them. In all these regiments, right from the first India-Pakistan war of 1947-48, Muslim troops fought valiantly, much to the disappointment or displeasure of the Pakistan Army.

If, at any point of time, a recruiting office states that there are no vacancies for Muslims, it only means that the vacancies have already been filled for that period. In the category of fighting soldiers, no Muslim vacancy has ever gone unfilled. In fact, the only vacancies left unfilled by Muslims are in the ‘tradesmen’ category, which includes cooks, waiters, carpenters, equipment and boot repairers, barbers and ‘safai’ (cleaners) — the last two being the least. A few names may help in refreshing public memory: Maj Gen E. Habibullah (16th Cavalry, father of Wajahat Habibullah, IAS, secretary, Right to Information) and Lt Gen Sami Khan (Madras Regiment), both commandants of the National Defence Academy, are still fondly remembered by cadets of their times. Lt Gen Jameel Mahmood was GOC-in-C, Eastern Command, when he died with his wife in a helicopter crash. His brother-in-law, Lt Gen M.A. Zaki, served as security adviser to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir, while his son is Colonel Adil Mahmood, 16th Cavalry, commandant of the President’s Bodyguard.

Late General Mahmood’s younger brother retired as a major general, while Zaki’s younger brother is a brigadier. Maj Gen Afsir Karim (retd), brother of Major Anwar Karim (who was one of two officers — the other was Brig M. Usman, who died defending Jhangar, Jammu & Kashmir during the 1947-48 war — actively wooed by Pakistan to opt for it with the promise of top ranks in Pakistan Army), is a well-known military scholar, who commanded 11 Infantry Division, headquartered in Ahmedabad. This post was also held in recent years by Lt Gen Z.U. Shah, brother of actor Naseeruddin Shah, who is currently GOC, 3 Corps. Their cousin is Colonel M.A. Shah of 73rd Armoured Regiment. The former army chief, Gen N.C. Vij’s military attache is a Muslim officer of the Dogra Regiment. A former Indian Air Force Chief, Air Chief Marshal Idrees Hasan Latif, became governor of Maharashtra.

While those so far mentioned are officers of the rank of chief downwards, there are many Muslims in the rank and file of India’s Army, Navy and Air Force. The list is very long. The Indian Army, with a reputation for being impartial during communal riots, enjoys the confidence of Muslims, as was evident in Gujarat and Meerut. It is in the best interests of India that the armed forces are not politicised.

The author is a security analyst

 

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[Water Car Engineer]

See you can only get a glimpse through youtube, but you will never understand understand. I have seen many Pakistanis uploading videos of Christians,Sikhs, and other minorities and trying to paint an image as if it happens all the time India.

I assure you, there are more people living in peace side by side then killing each other, but you want to put a microscope on the bad F'ed up people.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

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See I can play that type of game to, its not hard finding these type of videos.

 

[Whiplash]

Yeah go jack off to these videos. I'm sure you get a nice little deluded sense of satisfaction. But we both know the truth is most Indian muslims would outshout anyone in cries of Jai Hind. The truth is you get your information from youtube and I'm here experiencing it for myself. Now I'm not going to reply to you anymore. I sincerely hope you muscle up and manage to get your fat a$$ off the couch into reality one day.

 

[Whiplash]

Oh and by the way SOCOM, in most of these videos you've posted the same Indian media which you refused to believe about the recruitment drive. Just shows your hypocrisy. Have fun.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Leave the trolls ..

Good to see Kashmiris coming in mainstream .
GoI should invest in a lot in J&K and even Private companies do the same .

Winds of change have alrdy started in India
Talks with ULFA and now permanent solution to J&K seems to be near

Check the other thread on this forum today:

Hundreds of young Kashmiris throng police recruitment rally

Says something about ground realities.

 

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true face of kashmiris

 

[Water Car Engineer]

true face of kashmiris

http://www.mpnewslive.com/survey-reveals-only-2-kashmiris-want-to-join-pak/

^^^^^

 

[EjazR]

Not to mention GoC of 15th Corps based in Srinagar, the most sensitive posting in the country is also a Muslim: Lt Gen S A Hasnain

Muslim General is GoC 15 Corps

 

[killeragent]

I would strongly recommend to my fellow indians to stop peddling upon these kinds of threads, myself from a minority community knows the truth of unity in diversity we hold in every walk of life, we don't need to prove this to our neighbor.

 

[Roybot]

When Pakistan Army inducts 4000 Baloch youth, its a sign that Baloch want to be with Pakistan, and thread like these are made., the thread starter gets 41 thank yous for posting the news. http://www.defence.pk/forums/land-forces/78474-4000-baloch-youth-inducted-into-pakistan-army.html

When 8000 Kashmiris show up for Indian Army recruitment, its a bs propoaganda, its a mirage and all sorts of comment.

When 100 Kashmiris die by the hands of law enforcement agency during violent protests, its an outrage, but when 100 peaceful protesters are killed in Libya or Bahrain not a word from the Muslim nation leaders.

When the Uyghur protest is put down in Urumqui not a single word from the Fort of Islam against the high handedness.

Its very easy to see through this hypocrisy, and the whole world can see it. Keep up this delusional dreaming of getting Kashmir. There are just as much Muslims in India as in Pakistan if not more, they have just as much right on Kashmir as every other Indian. Autonomy is the best the Kashmir Valley is ever going to get. The sooner every party understands that , the better it is for the common Kashmiris.

Just my 2 cents.