Out of box thinking applied for operations: Top IAF commander

[thestringshredder]

The IAF pilots have clocked close to 1,700 sorties in this operation.The Indian Air Force (IAF), which has undertaken its biggest ever helicopter operation for rescue and relief in Uttarakhand, had to think “out of the box” many times while flying in the difficult terrain and weather conditions in the state, a top official today said.

“We had to innovate and improvise and think out of the box many a times when we flew sorties here. Weather conditions and hilly terrain are very challenging for the operations,” Air Vice Marshal S R K Nair said when he was asked about the challenges his pilots and men were facing while carrying out rescue missions in the state.

Nair, the chief of IAF’s helicopter and transportation wing, had reached the airbase here yesterday after a Mi-17 V5 crashed in the Garhwal ranges near Gaurikund.

“There are so many things to learn from this operation in terms of operating in such tough situations. When we go into the debriefing of this operation we will talk about these lessons,” Nair said.

The top IAF commander said it would take about “four more clear flying days” to culminate the operations.

The IAF pilots have clocked close to 1,700 sorties in this operation.

Badrinath and Harsil are now the thrust areas for us and we are flying as many sorties as we could, he said.

Nair also briefed IAF Chief Air Marshal NAK Browne here at the helipad about the operations being initiated from here.

Link - Out of box thinking applied for operations: Top IAF commander | idrw.org

 

[Nisha]

So, i guess they don;t train for such scenarios if this is all new for them? Tsk tsk India wake the f-k up!

 

[kaykay]

So, i guess they don;t train for such scenarios if this is all new for them? Tsk tsk India wake the f-k up!

they are defence forces and not some civilian rescue forces still they did great. Everyone is praising them for their quickness and capability to rescue such great number of people in short time dispite the weather was worst in a hilly terrain. They flew their helis in a weather which is not suitable for helicopter operations still they risked their lives. They carried people on their backs and walked/tracked 10-20KMs in those mountainous ways. Its their training which made all these possible.

 

[dekho]

So, i guess they don;t train for such scenarios if this is all new for them? Tsk tsk India wake the f-k up!

Look at the positive side. Now both the IAF and IA have gained invaluable experience in heliborne operations in rough mountainous terrain, in difficult weather counditions. This experience could be utilised in coordinating massive troop deployment through helicopters in Himalayan and North East regions.

 

[Abingdonboy]

So, i guess they don;t train for such scenarios if this is all new for them? Tsk tsk India wake the f-k up!

Please- these are MILITARY men and machines, of course these sort of ops are not somthing every single IAF helo pilot has trained in or taken part in. The IAF allocates a few men and machines to this duty every year but the sheer scale of this rescue effort has meant assets and pilots have had to be assigned to this role who would ordinarily not be doing anything like this.



It is growing ever more clear that the civil administrations on both a state and federal level need to devlop their own disaster relief response plans that do not involve the Indian military in any large way. This simply isn't the role of the military.

 

[Nisha]

Please- these are MILITARY men and machines, of course these sort of ops are not somthing every single IAF helo pilot has trained in or taken part in. The IAF allocates a few men and machines to this duty every year but the sheer scale of this rescue effort has meant assets and pilots have had to be assigned to this role who would ordinarily not be doing anything like this.



It is growing ever more clear that the civil administrations on both a state and federal level need to devlop their own disaster relief response plans that do not involve the Indian military in any large way. This simply isn't the role of the military.

And your point? Doesn;t the military train for such scenarios when India lacks other resources to tackle such disasters? Training like this is helpful for any military because it helps to deal with logisitics over the mountainous terrain which is good practice for any future potential conflict. Rescuing and dropping off supplies and ppl is good training for any MILITARY. Plz in any major conflict, you will need to think our of the box and do the unexpected. In better times, this should be considered to be practiced with many personnel, not a select few.

 

[Abingdonboy]

And your point? Doesn;t the military train for such scenarios when India lacks other resources to tackle such disasters? Training like this is helpful for any military because it helps to deal with logisitics over the mountainous terrain which is good practice for any future potential conflict. Rescuing and dropping off supplies and ppl is good training for any MILITARY. Plz in any major conflict, you will need to think our of the box and do the unexpected. In better times, this should be considered to be practiced with many personnel, not a select few.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are criticising purely for the sake of it.

 

[Nisha]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are criticising purely for the sake of it.

No you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Look at other countries? Look at how they train for unseen diasasters. The location of this area would be a perfect training ground for China related duties. Don;t criticize what you cannot understand.

 

[Abingdonboy]

No you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Look at other countries? Look at how they train for unseen diasasters. The location of this area would be a perfect training ground for China related duties. Don;t criticize what you cannot understand.

Show me another modern-day , large, military where its entire force trains in disaster relief ops? And how poorly, according to you, is the Indian miltiary really performing in these relief ops? To me they seem to be doing an outstanding job. You just like to criticise for the sake of criticising.

 

[Nisha]

I agree with Nisha here..We should have simulated it by bursting 2-3 clouds and make the rain to fall for 4-5 days to drill such kind of operations. I am not sure if our AF would have flown to Uttrakhand in the past during this season but we shpuld have done it so that they could have some experience in their hand. It was must and if they could have done it then they need not to think out of the box and were prepared for it.

Even without cloud seeding, the military could still practice for such scenarios involving logistics, dropping payloads and ppl, etc. on a larger scale with more military personnel. It helps to prepare for any emergency or scenario.

Show me another modern-day , large, military where its entire force trains in disaster relief ops? And how poorly, according to you, is the Indian miltiary really performing in these relief ops? To me they seem to be doing an outstanding job. You just like to criticise for the sake of criticising.

I didn't say they were performing badly but with loss of lives from a heli crash. We could do better. Always strive to do better.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I didn't say they were performing badly but with loss of lives from a heli crash. We could do better. Always strive to do better.

Of course but this is a one-off tragedy that was caused by a set of unique events. No level of training could have prevented this most likely.

 

[Nisha]

Of course but this is a one-off tragedy that was caused by a set of unique events. No level of training could have prevented this most likely.

Wrong. Read the CAG report. It came out in April but there were complaints regarding this issue spanning decades. Keep on defending and ignoring these problems, and India wil never correct nor learn from its mistakes.


Flooding, earthquakes, nuke accidents, train derailments, etc all need an effective strategy to deal with such disasters. By formulating a national response plan by separating the nation into quadrants and enforcing massive drills would help when such 1 of kind incidents crop up. Think man! Use your brain!


Training wont dismiss all problems but it would definitely help. When conducting such training, you would be able to envision and record possible issue that come up and plan accordingly to overcome it.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Wrong. Read the CAG report. It came out in April but there were complaints regarding this issue spanning decades. Keep on defending and ignoring these problems, and India wil never correct nor learn from its mistakes.


Flooding, earthquakes, nuke accidents, train derailments, etc all need an effective strategy to deal with such disasters. By formulating a national response plan by separating the nation into quadrants and enforcing massive drills would help when such 1 of kind incidents crop up. Think man! Use your brain!


Training wont dismiss all problems but it would definitely help. When conducting such training, you would be able to envision and record possible issue that come up and plan accordingly to overcome it.

What are you talking about? This was a brand new, state of the art, Mi-17-V5, no CAG report has taken issue with them to date.

 

[Nisha]

What are you talking about? This was a brand new, state of the art, Mi-17-V5, no CAG report has taken issue with them to date.

Read up on notable accidents and its record of safety. It's a piece of crap. It's the same Heli that crashed and killed Arunchal Pradesh CM!!!!!!


Regardless, the CAG report I was referring to had nothing to do with heli's but with Uttarakand disaster planning!



GovernanceNow.com | CAG had warned last year about Uttarakhand crisis in making


Uttarakhand disaster plan doesn't exist, CAG warned in April - Economic Times


CAG report: No disaster management in Uttarakhand - Oneindia News




The more you defend this lack or preparedness, the more foolish you look. If you truly want to help India, then admit what is wrong with it, and then set about correcting it.

 

[Hulk]

Please- these are MILITARY men and machines, of course these sort of ops are not somthing every single IAF helo pilot has trained in or taken part in. The IAF allocates a few men and machines to this duty every year but the sheer scale of this rescue effort has meant assets and pilots have had to be assigned to this role who would ordinarily not be doing anything like this.



It is growing ever more clear that the civil administrations on both a state and federal level need to devlop their own disaster relief response plans that do not involve the Indian military in any large way. This simply isn't the role of the military.

Dude stop replying to troll. He/She is a anti India member with Indian falgs. Loser mentality types.