Our fight is not for Kashmir, it’s for Islam: Hizbul commander

[Osiris]

They are not Muslims.

Are you Allah, that you can declare some one a muslim or non muslim ?

They claim they are Muslim, just like this Hizbul commander and they claim they are fighting for Islam, just like this Hizbul commander.

So who are you to declare, that TPPs struggle is non Islamic, where as Hizbul's is a Jihad.

 

[NakedLunch]

so u accept that democracy and nationalism is haram in islam?

Define democracy and define nationalism so we both understand what those terms mean.

Are you Allah, that you can declare some one a muslim or non muslim ?

They claim they are Muslim, just like this Hizbul commander and they claim they are fighting for Islam, just like this Hizbul commander.

So who are you to declare, that TPPs struggle is non Islamic, where as Hizbul's is a Jihad.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I cant claim that they arent Muslim because I am not Allah, but you can claim that they are because you are who? Do you have to be so childish?

 

[Osiris]

Define democracy and define nationalism so we both understand what those terms mean.



You have your opinion, I have mine. I cant claim that they arent Muslim because I am not Allah, but you can claim that they are because you are who? Do you have to be so childish?

I am not claiming anything, I am just accepting.

You claim you are a Muslim, I accept it.

Hizbul commander claims, he is a Muslim and fighting for Islam. I have no qualms about it.

TPP commander claims, he is a Muslim and fighting for Islam, then so be it.

The only difference between Hizbul and TPP is that Hizbul is fighting against India, where as TPP is fighting against Pakistan.

So tell us again why Hizbul are great Islamic warriors and TPP are Takfir?

 

[Tamil_Manithan]

Define democracy and define nationalism so we both understand what those terms mean.

Exactly that what Zakir Musa said, nationalism and democracy is not allowed in Islam.

 

[NakedLunch]

I am not claiming anything, I am just accepting.

You claim you are a Muslim, I accept it.

Hizbul commander claims, he is a Muslim and fighting for Islam. I have no qualms about it.

TPP commander claims, he is a Muslim and fighting for Islam, then so be it.

The only difference between Hizbul and TPP is that Hizbul is fighting against India, where as TPP is fighting against Pakistan.

So tell us again why Hizbul are great Islamic warriors and TPP are Takfir?

Why do I need to tell you anything? You think you can point your little finger in my face and demand answers from me? LOL! Who the hell do you think you are? Kashmiris will carry on fighting for Independence because that is what they have been doing for decades. You think mental gymnastics and word play will make any difference here? So tell me again, who the hell are you to ask me to explain anything to you?

Exactly that what Zakir Musa said, nationalism and democracy is not allowed in Islam.

Who? Never heard of him.

 

[Tamil_Manithan]

Who? Never heard of him.

"Zakir Rashid Bhat" also called Musa.

 

[NakedLunch]

"Zakir Rashid Bhat" also called Musa.

And? Who is he and why I should I give him any significance whatsoever? To me he is a nobody.

 

[ito]

And? Who is he and why I should I give him any significance whatsoever? To me he is a nobody.

It doesn't matter how you view Kashmir. What matters is how the world views it and how 1.3 billion Indians view it. The more these wackos say Kashmir is about religion, the more they weaken their separatist movement.

 

[Tamil_Manithan]

And? Who is he and why I should I give him any significance whatsoever? To me he is a nobody.

This thread is about him. Are you supporting hizbul mujahidin or not?

 

[soundHound]

The Two-nation theory is about Islam and Hinduism being two separate nations. So he is not wrong neither should Indian Hindus try and twist what he is saying. Muslims dont fight for territory, we fight for the right to be Muslims. Hindu Nationalists will no doubt try and gain mileage from this but to what end? The Kashmir liberation struggle is not coming to an end and neither will it succumb to machinations like this. The struggle is greater than one person or one statement.

FYI, Muslims in India aspire and excel as good as anyone in the nations, and no one is being forced for anything, they enjoy same rights as anyone else, regarding Kashmir, Indian govt is not hell bent on depriving people of there religion, so your point of Fighting for religion make no sense here, and this whole Kashmir hullabaloo now looks like orchestrated drama like it was for everyone out there.

 

[NakedLunch]

It doesn't matter how you view Kashmir. What matters is how the world views it and how 1.3 billion Indians view it. The more these wackos say Kashmir is about religion, the more they weaken their separatist movement.

Okay. If that makes you happy then why make an issue out of it? What is the point of this thread then? LOL! You guys run around in circles and nothing you guys say makes any sense.What is wrong with you people man? If all you care about is the view of 1.3 billion Indians why are you bothering arguing with me? LOL!!! Duh.

FYI, Muslims in India aspire and excel as good as anyone in the nations, and no one is being forced for anything, they enjoy same rights as anyone else, regarding Kashmir, Indian govt is not hell bent on depriving people of there religion, so your point of Fighting for religion make no sense here, and this whole Kashmir hullabaloo now looks like orchestrated drama like it was for everyone out there.

Excellent. So what's the problem here? Why even respond to this? Is it that essential for you to convince me? I believe Kashmir is a part of Pakistan and no amount of whatever you say will change my opinion. It is the same prerogative as you. Do you not see that? Unbelievable.

This thread is about him. Are you supporting hizbul mujahidin or not?

No, this thread is not about him. We both know that. So do this drama elsewhere.

 

[soundHound]

Excellent. So what's the problem here? Why even respond to this? Is it that essential for you to convince me? I believe Kashmir is a part of Pakistan and no amount of whatever you say will change my opinion. It is the same prerogative as you. Do you not see that? Unbelievable.

am trying to tell , your point of stand in Kashmir is not consistent sometime its fight for land and sometime its fight of religion, so it's better first you resolve your confusion with propaganda machine ISI, and then shout in-front of world, otherwise just like pointed by someone above, it will turn into matter like Israel and Palestine where no one cares about later.

 

[Dem!god]

Then go to land of islam and leave kashmir forever...

 

[NakedLunch]

And conquering and controlling territory is part of that.

You again. You are Israeli right? So explain to me again why you care?

 

[ito]

Excellent. So what's the problem here? Why even respond to this? Is it that essential for you to convince me? I believe Kashmir is a part of Pakistan and no amount of whatever you say will change my opinion. It is the same prerogative as you. Do you not see that? Unbelievable.

There are only two ways Kashmir can become part of Pakistan...one...Pakistan wage a war and win against India...second...majority of Indians let go of Kashmir. I have doubts over Pakistan waging a war and wining, moreover, in case Pakistan looses...India will wrest control over Pakistani Kashmir including GB.

On the second point no Indians will agree for a separation based on religion. Indians opposed formation of Pakistan in 1947, and will oppose any future separation based on religion. So what 1.3 billion Indians thinks matter.