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If i'm not wrong, they are planning to produce only 1000 Altay tanks this is not enough, we need atleast 5000 Altay MBT's + some 1000 of LEO 2A7's. M60T are okay, LEO2NG's program can continue the rest of those M48's and M60's can go to garbage already so we need to fill that gap with more Altay's and LEO2A7's.
If i'm not wrong, they are planning to produce only 1000 Altay tanks this is not enough, we need atleast 5000 Altay MBT's + some 1000 of LEO 2A7's. M60T are okay, LEO2NG's program can continue the rest of those M48's and M60's can go to garbage already so we need to fill that gap with more Altay's and LEO2A7's.
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If i'm not wrong, they are planning to produce only 1000 Altay tanks this is not enough, we need atleast 5000 Altay MBT's + some 1000 of LEO 2A7's. M60T are okay, LEO2NG's program can continue the rest of those M48's and M60's can go to garbage already so we need to fill that gap with more Altay's and LEO2A7's.
6000 tanks...why would you want to induct so many ? India has to deal with both China and Pakistan when it comes to formulating her threat assessment and she (if the Wikipedia figures are up to date) has about 4000 tanks of her own. Pakistan has closer to 2000 (same reservations as the above) comparable tanks with the rest being lighter tanks armed with 105mms, and that pretty much gets the job done for us. Why would you then, without any immediate threat, want such a huge armoured contingent in your armed forces ?
Turkey actually has around 6000 tanks but
Around 2900 of them are M-48 upgrades that actually won't worth much in modern warfare expect armored vehicle recovery and armored personal carries...
Around 2000+ of them are Sabra's and Sabra Level Turkish upgrades of M-60s...
Turkey has 700 Leopard 1-2. Leopard 1s are upgraded with modern electronics and Leopard 2s are going to be upgraded to Leopard 2NG
We are going to produce 1000 Altays but It may not be enough... I can agree around 2000 of them but more than that is both needless and harmfull to Turkish economy.
Thats why He propably said that we need 5000 Altay Tanks...
The M48s would probably never see combat. The M60s on the other hand, with the Sabra upgrades, would make a pretty good workhorse for the army. As per the figures that have gone before my eyes, Turkey could potentially have as many as 1700 Sabras - Thats pretty darn good. The 170 or so Leopard 1Ts should come in handy, though I think acquiring some used M60s and upgrading them to Sabras and bringing the total closer to 2500 would be a good way to go. The Leopard 2A4s upgraded to NG level would be very, very nice and inducting a few more of them would make sense. And with the Altays a total number of 4000 very good tanks in service is a pretty good figure but then again...who are you going to use them against ? You don't, to the best of my knowledge, have any threat in the neighborhood or do you ?
Nope, we don't have any targets but Turkey borders Middle East and Caucasus... Two are very hot spots... Thats why goverments always gave Army the lion share of budget.
If Turkey had the resources that Germany or France had, I we would definitly throw M-60s and M-48s and would produce 2000-2500 Altays but alas.... We don't.
So, M-60 upgrades, Leopards and 1000 Altay MBT will be enough for Turkey ad propably the limit for Turkey![]()
Guess thats another similar thing between Turkey and Pakistan - We too give the lion's share to our Armed Force and they've been involved in a couple of coups too
But talking about the M48s - Can't they be converted into vehicle mounted SAM systems or something like those modified Merkava LICs (Low Intensity Conflict) or upgraded with a better engine and used in mountainous areas like we do with our Type 69s to fight against insurgents ?