Osama Bin Laden 'SHAHEED'? PM Imran Khan Speech in National Assembly

[truthfollower]

Can anyone ask Imran KLhan that if OBL is Shahaeed that what should we call those brave jawans of Army who sacrificed their lives fighting Al-Qaida & Taliban?

Our top leadership spitting on their hard work and sacrifices

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here's a tweet I read on twitter;

"The PM can accidentally call a terrorist a martyr but can never accidentally call Ahmedis martyrs"

If he had accidentally called Ahmedis martyrs there would have been an apology from his office within minutes.

Don't defend him, he is a Taliban sympathiser.

You and I know very well what kind of hot potato the issue of Ahmadis is in Pakistan.

You are correct, a politician can get away with calling OBL a martyr without significant repercussions domestically (maybe even pick up more votes than he/she loses) but will likely face tangible threats to his/her life, not to mention losses at the ballot box, for standing up for Ahmadis.

That’s more of a reflection of the socio-religious dynamics of Pakistan currently than a reflection on Imran Khan.

 

[truthfollower]

Next vote PTI again!

sure! worst governance I have ever seen in my city. piles of garbage on roads and streets everywhere plastic bags. Only Musharaf era governance was good

 

[gangsta_rap]

the context is that osama has been turned into a martyr for certain people. how does that help the situation at hand when you only stoked up more people to follow his lead?

 

[Death Professor]

Finally, Imran Khan has shown his true colours and Taliban Khan in him is out in the open. Thankfully none of my relations were among those who lost their lives at the APS massacre as those innocent souls must be turning in their graves.

Can anyone ask Imran KLhan that if OBL is Shahaeed that what should we call those brave jawans of Army who sacrificed their lives fighting Al-Qaida & Taliban?

You do realize TTP and Afghan Taliban are two different entities. And yes afghan talibans have been fighting a just war, just as they did against the soviets. Mullah Omer asked for proofs against OBL, and the Americans didn't provide any and started their crusade.

Thankfully none of my relations were among those who lost their lives at the APS massacre as those innocent souls must be turning in their graves after reading your comment blaming Afghan Taliban/Al-Qaida or OBL while not mentioning the real culprits TTP, just to peddle your propaganda.

Not that this OBL was any relevant issue domestically or internationally. The maximum this can provide is some sort of relief to Indian media, that they were so desperately looking for, after their beat-down from China.

 

[Enigma SIG]

sure! worst governance I have ever seen in my city. piles of garbage on roads and streets everywhere plastic bags. Only Musharaf era governance was good

While areas of Lahore in city are absolute rubbish, main thoroughfares are pretty good. People need an update to their civic sense. Even if God comes down to rule us, people will do as they please until they get punished. Try throwing rubbish onto the streets of Dubai or Singapore. DANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

[El Sidd]

Forget Osama.

I think India is sheltering Ayman al Zawahiri.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You do realize TTP and Afghan Taliban are two different entities. And yes afghan talibans have been fighting a just war, just as they did against the soviets. Mullah Omer asked for proofs against OBL, and the Americans didn't provide any and started their crusade.

Thankfully none of my relations were among those who lost their lives at the APS massacre as those innocent souls must be turning in their graves after reading your comment blaming Afghan Taliban/Al-Qaida or OBL while not mentioning the real culprits TTP, just to peddle your propaganda.

Not that this OBL was any relevant issue domestically or internationally. The maximum this can provide is some sort of relief to Indian media, that they were so desperately looking for, after their beat-down from China.

Great post.

This rhetoric in some sections of Pakistan that all Taliban are the same doesn't hold up. We have seen Afghan Taliban help us in taking out TTP and also going after Daesh.

Reality is this, after Afghan Taliban regained control over the Afghan-Pakistan bordering regions, terrorism decreased significantly.

NDS, ANA were funding, supporting, and supplying TTP, JuA, Daesh, and other terrorist groups with US, Indian, and Iranian support.

 

[HAIDER]

You and I know very well what kind of hot potato the issue of Ahmadis is in Pakistan.

You are correct, a politician can get away with calling OBL a martyr without significant repercussions domestically (maybe even pick up more votes than he/she loses) but will likely face tangible threats to his/her life, not to mention losses at the ballot box, for standing up for Ahmadis.

That’s more of a reflection of the socio-religious dynamics of Pakistan currently than a reflection on Imran Khan.

Osma was domestic issue too, when he pump 1 million dollar to Nawaz to handle PPP govt. Hamid Mir broke this news, when had bad relations with Nawaz. He also provide time and location of that meeting. So, these terrorist have huge meddling in our politics.
Thousands of Pakistani families been destroyed by his terror attack on US soil and in Canada too. We all witnessed.

 

[niaz]

You do realize TTP and Afghan Taliban are two different entities. And yes afghan talibans have been fighting a just war, just as they did against the soviets. Mullah Omer asked for proofs against OBL, and the Americans didn't provide any and started their crusade.

Thankfully none of my relations were among those who lost their lives at the APS massacre as those innocent souls must be turning in their graves after reading your comment blaming Afghan Taliban/Al-Qaida or OBL while not mentioning the real culprits TTP, just to peddle your propaganda.

Not that this OBL was any relevant issue domestically or internationally. The maximum this can provide is some sort of relief to Indian media, that they were so desperately looking for, after their beat-down from China.

Honorable Death Professor,

Yes I do know the difference between Afghan Taliban, TTP & Al-Qaida but anyone who truly believes that these organizations are not linked is seriously mistaken. To the best of my info, Al-Qaeda is still a banned organization in Pakistan.

"Lashkar Jhangvi responsible for the attack on PNS Mehran had close links with Al-Qaeda as mention the UN Security Council Resolution. Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ) was listed on 3 February 2003 pursuant to paragraphs 1 and 2 of resolution 1390 (2002) as being associated with Al-Qaida, Usama bin Laden or the Taliban for “participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf or in support of”, “supplying, selling or transferring arms and related materiel to” or “otherwise supporting acts or activities of” Al-Qaida (QDe.004) and the Taliban.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/lashkar-i-jhangvi-(lj)

This the same Lashkar Jhangvi that was responsible for attacking PNS Mehran

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...olved-in-pns-mehran-attack/?printType=article

Al-Qaida had also been linked to the bombing of Marriot Hotel, Islamabad and also on the Sri Lankan cricket team.

“Al Qaeda leader accused of Marriott Hotel bombing killed in Afghanistan: US”

https://www.business-standard.com/a...-killed-in-afghanistan-us-117032600072_1.html

The most daring action by Al-Qaida was the attempted hijack of “PNS Zulfiqar” in 2014.

“Dockyard attackers planned to hijack Navy frigate
Fahim Zaman | Naziha Syed AliUpdated September 13, 2014


"KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel”

Full story at https://www.dawn.com/news/1131654

This is how Reuters reported it.

“New al Qaeda wing in South Asia claims major attack”

Maria Golovnina

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda’s South Asia wing has claimed responsibility for hijacking a Pakistani naval ship and trying to use it to fire rockets at U.S. vessels in the Arabian Sea, in the first major assault by the newly created group.

Pakistan Navy personnel keep guard near the Navy ship PNS Zulfiqar after it returned to Karachi June 23, 2011. REUTERS/Stringer

The SITE monitoring service quoted its spokesman, Usama Mahmoud, as saying a group of militants had succeeded in seizing control of the Pakistani frigate PNS Zulfiqar and tried to use it to attack nearby U.S. vessels.

“These mujahideen had taken control of the Pakistani ship, and they were advancing towards the American fleet when the Pakistani army stopped them,” he said.

“As a result, the mujahideen, the lions of Allah and benefactors of the Ummah, sacrificed their lives for Allah, and the Pakistani soldiers spoiled their hereafter by giving up their lives in defense of the enemies of the Ummah the Americans.”

SITE said Mahmoud’s statement also provided a picture and a detailed layout of the PNS Zulfiqar.

The navy and the army’s press wing were not immediately available for comment.

The naval yard on Pakistan’s Arabian Sea coast is a strategically important facility at the center of U.S.-Pakistani security, anti-terrorism and anti-trafficking cooperation.

The foiled attack comes at a time when regional powers are already concerned about stability as U.S.-led forces continue to withdraw from neighboring Afghanistan, potentially creating a security gap for insurgents to exploit.

The attack, which lasted several hours, also shows just how much the Islamist militants are capable of striking at the heart of Pakistan’s vast security apparatus and raises questions about the nuclear-armed nation’s ability to guard its installations.

The Pakistani Taliban, closely allied with al Qaeda, had earlier said that the Sept. 6 attack was carried out with the help of insiders. Pakistan later arrested a number of navy personnel on suspicion of collaborating with the attackers.

Al Qaeda announced the formation of the new group on Sept. 4, with its chief, Ayman al-Zawahri, promising to spread Islamic rule and “raise the flag of jihad” across South Asia, home to more than 400 million Muslims.

Analysts say the move is part of al Qaeda’s plan to take advantage of the planned withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan and boost its influence in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region as well as India.

It also comes against the backdrop of a full-scale operation launched by Pakistan’s military against Taliban militants in the lawless region of North Waziristan following a deadly attack on the airport in the city of Karachi in June.

Editing by Nick Macfie

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southasia-attacks/new-al-qaeda-wing-in-south-asia-claims-major-attack-idUSKBN0HC0YS20140917


I had already read the blog by Imran Khan Riaz on YouTube before you posted it. I was not in the least bit surprised by its content. No matter what these terrorists do, there are many in Pakistan who have a soft spot for the terrorists, be it Al-Qaida, TTP or Lashkar Jhangvi etc., the list includes many in the media, bureaucrats, politicians (IMO Imran Khan too) and also in the armed services else the attack on Musharraf, PAF Karma/Minhas, PNS Mehran, and Pak Army HQ in Rawalpindi could not have succeeded.

However, during my discussions with the conspiracy theorists, which include a few of my friends, I am often confronted with the argument that these people are/were fighting for Islam and most of the claims by the Western & Western-sponsored media are false. I cannot reply to the one who insists that it is dark outside in the middle of the day when the sun is shining brightly.

I am not going to compare the actions of a 'State' with the actions of an individual. It is true that the USA and the Soviet Union had been acting like two bullies during the cold war era and the USA alone after the fall of communism. Modi is doing the same now. Primarily because these leaders represent their nation. Who elected OBL?. Just because Pakistan or the Saudi state hang criminals does not give a self-styled leader the right to start beheading anyone he labels as a criminal.

All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome but I maintain my view that OBL was a ‘Terrorist’ who was in Pakistan illegally. In addition to severely causing harm to Pakistan State; his presence put Pakistan in an extremely embarrassing situation. OBL should never have been called ‘Shaheed’ by Imran Khan.

 

[HAIDER]

Honorable Death Professor,

Yes I do know the difference between Afghan Taliban, TTP & Al-Qaida but anyone who truly believes that these organizations are not linked is seriously mistaken. To the best of my info, Al-Qaeda is still a banned organization in Pakistan.

"Lashkar Jhangvi responsible for the attack on PNS Mehran had close links with Al-Qaeda as mention the UN Security Council Resolution. Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ) was listed on 3 February 2003 pursuant to paragraphs 1 and 2 of resolution 1390 (2002) as being associated with Al-Qaida, Usama bin Laden or the Taliban for “participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf or in support of”, “supplying, selling or transferring arms and related materiel to” or “otherwise supporting acts or activities of” Al-Qaida (QDe.004) and the Taliban.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/lashkar-i-jhangvi-(lj)

This the same Lashkar Jhangvi that was responsible for attacking PNS Mehran

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...olved-in-pns-mehran-attack/?printType=article

Al-Qaida had also been linked to the bombing of Marriot Hotel, Islamabad and also on the Sri Lankan cricket team.

“Al Qaeda leader accused of Marriott Hotel bombing killed in Afghanistan: US”

https://www.business-standard.com/a...-killed-in-afghanistan-us-117032600072_1.html

The most daring action by Al-Qaida was the attempted hijack of “PNS Zulfiqar” in 2014.

“Dockyard attackers planned to hijack Navy frigate
Fahim Zaman | Naziha Syed AliUpdated September 13, 2014


"KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel”

Full story at https://www.dawn.com/news/1131654

This is how Reuters reported it.

“New al Qaeda wing in South Asia claims major attack”

Maria Golovnina

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda’s South Asia wing has claimed responsibility for hijacking a Pakistani naval ship and trying to use it to fire rockets at U.S. vessels in the Arabian Sea, in the first major assault by the newly created group.

Pakistan Navy personnel keep guard near the Navy ship PNS Zulfiqar after it returned to Karachi June 23, 2011. REUTERS/Stringer

The SITE monitoring service quoted its spokesman, Usama Mahmoud, as saying a group of militants had succeeded in seizing control of the Pakistani frigate PNS Zulfiqar and tried to use it to attack nearby U.S. vessels.

“These mujahideen had taken control of the Pakistani ship, and they were advancing towards the American fleet when the Pakistani army stopped them,” he said.

“As a result, the mujahideen, the lions of Allah and benefactors of the Ummah, sacrificed their lives for Allah, and the Pakistani soldiers spoiled their hereafter by giving up their lives in defense of the enemies of the Ummah the Americans.”

SITE said Mahmoud’s statement also provided a picture and a detailed layout of the PNS Zulfiqar.

The navy and the army’s press wing were not immediately available for comment.

The naval yard on Pakistan’s Arabian Sea coast is a strategically important facility at the center of U.S.-Pakistani security, anti-terrorism and anti-trafficking cooperation.

The foiled attack comes at a time when regional powers are already concerned about stability as U.S.-led forces continue to withdraw from neighboring Afghanistan, potentially creating a security gap for insurgents to exploit.

The attack, which lasted several hours, also shows just how much the Islamist militants are capable of striking at the heart of Pakistan’s vast security apparatus and raises questions about the nuclear-armed nation’s ability to guard its installations.

The Pakistani Taliban, closely allied with al Qaeda, had earlier said that the Sept. 6 attack was carried out with the help of insiders. Pakistan later arrested a number of navy personnel on suspicion of collaborating with the attackers.

Al Qaeda announced the formation of the new group on Sept. 4, with its chief, Ayman al-Zawahri, promising to spread Islamic rule and “raise the flag of jihad” across South Asia, home to more than 400 million Muslims.

Analysts say the move is part of al Qaeda’s plan to take advantage of the planned withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan and boost its influence in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region as well as India.

It also comes against the backdrop of a full-scale operation launched by Pakistan’s military against Taliban militants in the lawless region of North Waziristan following a deadly attack on the airport in the city of Karachi in June.

Editing by Nick Macfie

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southasia-attacks/new-al-qaeda-wing-in-south-asia-claims-major-attack-idUSKBN0HC0YS20140917


I had already read the blog by Imran Khan Riaz on YouTube before you posted it. I was not in the least bit surprised by its content. No matter what these terrorists do, there are many in Pakistan who have a soft spot for the terrorists, be it Al-Qaida, TTP or Lashkar Jhangvi etc., the list includes many in the media, bureaucrats, politicians (IMO Imran Khan too) and also in the armed services else the attack on Musharraf, PAF Karma/Minhas, PNS Mehran, and Pak Army HQ in Rawalpindi could not have succeeded.

However, during my discussions with the conspiracy theorists, which include a few of my friends, I am often confronted with the argument that these people are/were fighting for Islam and most of the claims by the Western & Western-sponsored media are false. I cannot reply to the one who insists that it is dark outside in the middle of the day when the sun is shining brightly.

I am not going to compare the actions of a 'State' with the actions of an individual. It is true that the USA and the Soviet Union had been acting like two bullies during the cold war era and the USA alone after the fall of communism. Modi is doing the same now. Primarily because these leaders represent their nation. Who elected OBL?. Just because Pakistan or the Saudi state hang criminals does not give a self-styled leader the right to start beheading anyone he labels as a criminal.

All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome but I maintain my view that OBL was a ‘Terrorist’ who was in Pakistan illegally. In addition to severely causing harm to Pakistan State; his presence put Pakistan in an extremely embarrassing situation. OBL should never have been called ‘Shaheed’ by Imran Khan.

My question remain, If Afghan Taliban has sympathy with Pakistan. Did Afghan Taliban ever raise arm against TTP or Fazlullah sanctuaries in Afghanistan ? . Any action against them after APS or Mehran attack or Kamra attack. PA fought 10 years war against these organization and it was all alone.

 

[Robbie]

Not surprising. Imran Khan is a Pakistani after all.

 

[HAIDER]

Not surprising. Imran Khan is a Pakistani after all.

We don't generalize sensible Indians ..But, Indian behavior remain primitive.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

He never considered Osama a terrorist. So this is not slip of tongue but his belief.

true watch this if someone has any doubt

 

[KhanBaba2]

We don't generalize sensible Indians ..But, Indian behavior remain primitive.

You contradicted yourself in one sentence.