Osama bin Laden’s death: Updates & Discussions

[pakdefender]

Im right handed , just as an exercise I tried using the remote with my left and was quite surprised to find out how un-natural it felt

 

[Chogy]

Do the DNA tests... There's plenty of material.

 

[S.M.R]

Do the DNA tests... There's plenty of material.

Yes, US are not that stupid, the brought plenty of material with them.

 

[Chogy]

Yes, US are not that stupid, the brought plenty of material with them.

Blood does not store. Frozen blood is obvious under a microscope. Refrigerated blood decays in a matter of weeks. It is easy to tell if the blood is fresh or not.

Arguing that the raid was a sham is like me saying "The Abu Graib debacle was a fabrication of Iranian intelligence. The images are all faked."

Sometimes, it is best to face a hard truth and move on, rather than grasping at straws.

 

[AAtish]

Blood does not store. Frozen blood is obvious under a microscope. Refrigerated blood decays in a matter of weeks. It is easy to tell if the blood is fresh or not.

Arguing that the raid was a sham is like me saying "The Abu Graib debacle was a fabrication of Iranian intelligence. The images are all faked."

Sometimes, it is best to face a hard truth and move on, rather than grasping at straws.

There is no evidence that one of Osama's brother or sister was not in Afghanistan to take blood from..

As it is biological fact that siblings from same parents can have 85-99.9% DNA similarities, this is also a fact that two non-identical non-twin siblings can have 100% DNA match.. so from 22 siblings, anyone's blood can be spill there.. Again, if we take the blood from there, who do we match DNA to?? there is no "known" sample of DNA from OBL..

As you said, sometimes, it is best to face a hard truth.. OBL was not there, this is all a sham.. US has to prove otherwise.. so bring SOLID PROOF..

Questions:
Why was OBL's dead body not shown to Pakistan's Security forces, even when he was dead and PA coudn't do anything to make him alive again?
Why was OBL's dead body not provided for neutral investigation?
Why was a "lie" of 24 hour's Muslim burial rule used?
Why was he dumped into the sea before anyone could see him or confirm his death?
Why did US lied about crossfire?
Why did seals killed an unarmed OBL cold blooded?
Why did they not arrested him to be prosecuted in court-of-law?
Why did US not arrested him to investigate complete network of AQ?
Why did US lied about "live feed"?
Why did US lied about OBL using his wife to protect himself?
Why did US lied about wife being killed?
Why did US posted out "fake" pics of OBL's dead body?
Why did US released "fake" video of OBL in that "mansion"?
Where are the documents and TerraBytes of data collected from that "mansion"?
How do we know that those "treasure of information" were collected from that "mansion" and not artificially doctored?
Why are pictures not being published when there are more gruesome pictures already circulating on the web?
Why should we believe in "unseen" evidences over an "eye witness"..
Why should we believe on people with a long lying record, without any proof, over people which have no previous record of lying?

My friend, we ask questions because we have logic, brain and self respect as intelligent people, we have been made to look like fools in the event of 9/11 and WMDs, we are not going to fall for the same sh!t again.. you want to be played again, be our guest..

 

[cheekybird]

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ksatFd8gkY[/video]

 

[Durran3]

Holy hell.. You people are stupid posting Alex Jones videos... unbelievable.

Anyways some LEGIT information.

Bin Laden’s Neighbors Say Compound Was Under Surveillance Since 2005​

Contrary to statements released by Pakistani intelligence agencies denying any knowledge of the occupants of the Abbottabad compound raided by American Special Forces units on May 1, there is evidence that the occupants of the compound housing Osama bin Laden were well known to Pakistani intelligence from the time the purpose-built compound was finished and occupied in 2005.

An official from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) told the BBC that the compound was raided by the ISI while still under construction in 2003 when the agency believed senior al-Qaeda operative Abu Faraj al-Libi was on site. Since then, however, the official claimed the intelligence agency had taken no interest in the facility: “The compound was not on our radar; it is an embarrassment for the ISI… We’re good, but we’re not God” (BBC, May 3). However, in a statement that appeared to reveal the confusion over the incident at the highest levels of the Pakistani government, an official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed that the ISI “had been sharing information [on the compound] with the CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since 2009” (The News [Islamabad], May 4).

The house in the garrison city of Abbottabad where Osama bin Laden apparently lived for several years before he was killed was the focus of neighbors’ attention for several reasons. The most important reason was its size. The house was many times bigger than most houses in the neighborhood and its reclusive occupants also appeared to have money to throw around. If the balls of children playing in the streets accidently landed in the compound, the children were given Rs 50 by the occupants of the house. [1] Several children told Pakistani TV channels that they had started throwing their balls into the compound on purpose. They were never refused the money (Geo TV, May 3).

However, there were also reasons for the people in the neighborhood not to suspect that this house was the residence of the most wanted terrorist in the world. The house had 12 to 16 foot high boundary walls surmounted by electrified barbed wire. There were surveillance cameras fixed on the walls. The human security around the compound created the impression that it was a secret military or intelligence facility, something the people living in garrison towns are quite used to. A neighbor explained the local lack of interest in the unusual building by saying, “Once you know a particular building belongs to the military or an intelligence agency or any law-enforcement department in Pakistan, you stop taking interest in the unusualness of the building or the activities there.” [2] The neighbors’ conclusion that it belonged to some security agency seems to have put any worries at rest.

The compound became the focus of attention soon after construction on the building started sometime in the fall of 2004. The haste with which it was built also surprised the neighbors: “The pace of construction of this house was one of the topics in our discussion with our families and with friends. We used to say either the owner is fairly rich or it is going to be a military facility, which is not uncommon in this garrison city.” [3] In a TV interview after his interrogation by the security agencies, Noor Mohammad, the contractor who built the house, said that the house was built in one and a half years (Geo TV, May 4). However, most of the neighbors’ accounts put the construction period between nine and 12 months. Mohammad noted that, unlike the usual back-and-forth negotiations between contractor and owner at various stages of construction that are typical of the residential construction process in Pakistan, the owners of the Abbottabad house never disputed costs and met all requests for additional funds promptly and without question. He also said that the construction work continued uninterrupted, which suggests some urgency. According to another contractor, it is quite possible to construct such a house in six months if the work is conducted without interruption. [4]

When the house was completed its residents moved in quickly: “Nobody knew when exactly they moved in. They probably moved in the middle of night when all of us were sleeping. The furniture and other stuff were brought in during the day, possibly before they moved in. It took some time before the neighbors realized that there were people living in that house.” [5] The few guests to the house typically arrived in the darkness and were rarely seen by the neighbors.

In a country where neighbors have strong ties and very often visit each other, the occupants of the new house discouraged their neighbors from visiting. “My wife tried to establish contacts with the women in that house more than once but was rebuffed. It was the only house in the neighborhood whose female occupants were not known to the other female [residents of the neighborhood]. I had concluded that some nuclear scientist was living there. Some of the nuclear scientists’ families are also reclusive.” [6] Interestingly, no neighbor seems to have seen another family visiting the Bin Laden family.

The neighbors’ accounts contradict official claims that the house was not on the radar of the intelligence agencies. According to several of these witnesses, the house was under continuous and heavy surveillance by the Pakistani intelligence agencies. A local resident observed: “The compound was continuously under the watch of agents of the intelligence and security agencies. They always looked suspiciously at every unusual interest in that compound by our guests. I always had the impression that it was some sort of an intelligence facility.” [7] However, no neighbor ever saw any uniformed personnel visiting the compound. According to a local journalist, it is unlikely that any of the security agents deputed to carry out human surveillance on the compound would have been given any inkling of who was living there. [8] However, it seems clear those directing the surveillance were aware of the identity of the suspects under watch in the compound, indicating that the residents were under the protection of a Pakistani intelligence agency since occupation began.
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Instead of getting pissed at the US for violating Pakistani sovereignty why is the question regarding Osamas presence in Abbotabad constantly being pushed under the radar in our news media?

 

[herry]

did you believe that he is dead????? at least i don't believe this...............


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[Durran3]

did you believe that he is dead????? at least i don't believe this...............


Watch full movies online

Nobody cares about what you believe. You are entitled to your beliefs and opinions what your NOT entitled to are fact

 

[LeGenD]

There is no evidence that one of Osama's brother or sister was not in Afghanistan to take blood from..

As it is biological fact that siblings from same parents can have 85-99.9% DNA similarities, this is also a fact that two non-identical non-twin siblings can have 100% DNA match.. so from 22 siblings, anyone's blood can be spill there.. Again, if we take the blood from there, who do we match DNA to?? there is no "known" sample of DNA from OBL..

It's a Match: How Officials Used DNA to Identify bin Laden.

As you stated: "there is no "known" sample of DNA from OBL"

This is where a deceased OBL sister comes in to picture. And she was also a half-sister.

Also, read this. DNA testing is a complicated affair. It is about probabilities.

Furthermore, during that raid inside Pakistan; US soldiers were ordered to capture all the individuals staying in that targeted home. However, this could not be done as one of the choppers malfunctioned.

And now US says it wants access to bin Laden widows (who are under custody of Pakistani security agencies). And here is an update.

As you said, sometimes, it is best to face a hard truth.. OBL was not there, this is all a sham.. US has to prove otherwise.. so bring SOLID PROOF..

Prove your statement that OBL was not there.

Questions:
Why was OBL's dead body not shown to Pakistan's Security forces, even when he was dead and PA coudn't do anything to make him alive again?
Why was OBL's dead body not provided for neutral investigation?
Why was a "lie" of 24 hour's Muslim burial rule used?
Why was he dumped into the sea before anyone could see him or confirm his death?
Why did US lied about crossfire?
Why did seals killed an unarmed OBL cold blooded?
Why did they not arrested him to be prosecuted in court-of-law?
Why did US not arrested him to investigate complete network of AQ?
Why did US lied about "live feed"?
Why did US lied about OBL using his wife to protect himself?
Why did US lied about wife being killed?
Why did US posted out "fake" pics of OBL's dead body?
Why did US released "fake" video of OBL in that "mansion"?
Where are the documents and TerraBytes of data collected from that "mansion"?
How do we know that those "treasure of information" were collected from that "mansion" and not artificially doctored?
Why are pictures not being published when there are more gruesome pictures already circulating on the web?
Why should we believe in "unseen" evidences over an "eye witness"..
Why should we believe on people with a long lying record, without any proof, over people which have no previous record of lying?

Questions:

• Why don't you seek information from Pakistani security agencies?
• What were the wives and children of OBL doing in that home?
• Why were they so secretive about their presence (including the killed man)?
• Why did the captured OBL family members confirmed death of OBL?
• Why did Al-Qaeda confirmed death of OBL?

Important:

US authorities have not yet released any images of OBL. The fake images have been promoted by some media sources.

And so-called "eye witnesses" did not knew about the presence of OBL and his family members in that home. They only managed to interact with Arshad Khan, Tareq Khan, and some children.

And 'revenge attacks' for death of OBL have begin to take place:

Here is first example: Pakistan: Blasts kill 80 to avenge bin Laden death | Top AP Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

My friend, we ask questions because we have logic, brain and self respect as intelligent people, we have been made to look like fools in the event of 9/11 and WMDs, we are not going to fall for the same sh!t again.. you want to be played again, be our guest..

And skeptics like you have sought refuge under the shadow of conspiracy theorists or are becoming one of them yourselves. Is this what logic, brain, and self respect have tought you guys?

Ever wondered that these conspiracy theorists are out for fame and attention too? These conspiracy theorists are playing a vital role in spreading confusion worldwide. It seems like emergence of a new form of FITNA in modern times.

Following hadiths of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) seem relevant:

"There will be a huge confusion within my Community. There will not remain one house of the Arabs except that confusion will enter it. Those who die because of it are in the fire. The harm of the tongue in it will be greater than that of the sword."

&

"There will be a dissension (in which people will be) deaf, dumb and blind (this means they will be blind and not see the true issue nor listen to the voice of truth): whoever tries to control it, the dissension will control him."

&

"Just before the Hour there will be many liars." Jabir ibn Samurah said: "Be on your guard against them."

To me; logic, brain, and self respect dictates that it is wise to analyze both sides of the coin and show patience. Hopefully truth will prevail, as the picture will become clearer.

 

[S.M.R]

It's a Match: How Officials Used DNA to Identify bin Laden.

As you stated: "there is no "known" sample of DNA from OBL"

This is where a deceased OBL sister comes in to picture. And she was also a half-sister.

Also, read this. DNA testing is a complicated affair. It is about probabilities.

Furthermore, during that raid inside Pakistan; US soldiers were ordered to capture all the individuals staying in that targeted home. However, this could not be done as one of the choppers malfunctioned.

And now US says it wants access to bin Laden widows (who are under custody of Pakistani security agencies). And here is an update.

It is very easy for the people who staged the whole drama to present anyone as OBL's sister and present that 'anyone's' blood as OBL's blood.

Prove your statement that OBL was not there.

This is funny, the burden of proof lies on the claimant. they are claiming that OBL was there and shot dead there, at least they should have the courage to prove that.

Questions:

• Why don't you seek information from Pakistani security agencies?
• What were the wives and children of OBL doing in that home?
• Why were they so secretive about their presence (including the killed man)?
• Why did the captured OBL family members confirmed death of OBL?
• Why did Al-Qaeda confirmed death of OBL?

- bcaz securities do not know, as he was not there at the very outset.
- for rest: it is part of whole drama.

Important:

US authorities have not yet released any images of OBL. The fake images have been promoted by some media sources.

And so-called "eye witnesses" did not knew about the presence of OBL and his family members in that home. They only managed to interact with Arshad Khan, Tareq Khan, and some children.

And 'revenge attacks' for death of OBL have begin to take place:

Here is first example: Pakistan: Blasts kill 80 to avenge bin Laden death | Top AP Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


And skeptics like you have sought refuge under the shadow of conspiracy theorists or are becoming one of them yourselves. Is this what logic, brain, and self respect have tought you guys?

Ever wondered that these conspiracy theorists are out for fame and attention too? These conspiracy theorists are playing a vital role in spreading confusion worldwide. It seems like emergence of a new form of FITNA in modern times.

It is very easy to forward the sayings of any tom dick and harry without looking at reality and facts related thereto. The people whom you call conspiracy theorists, dont believe the words of mouths, especially of those people, whose sayings keep changing by the passage of time.

Following hadiths of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) seem relevant:

"There will be a huge confusion within my Community. There will not remain one house of the Arabs except that confusion will enter it. Those who die because of it are in the fire. The harm of the tongue in it will be greater than that of the sword."

&

"There will be a dissension (in which people will be) deaf, dumb and blind (this means they will be blind and not see the true issue nor listen to the voice of truth): whoever tries to control it, the dissension will control him."

&

"Just before the Hour there will be many liars." Jabir ibn Samurah said: "Be on your guard against them."

To me; logic, brain, and self respect dictates that it is wise to analyze both sides of the coin and show patience. Hopefully truth will prevail, as the picture will become clearer.

Here a quranic verse is also relevant: (Allah forgive me for any mistake as i dont remember it correctly, please correct me if i m wrong, i ll correct my post)

It is something like "Whenever someone bring news to you, you should evaluate / do the research before believing / passing it on.

 

[T-Faz]

Pornography found in bin Laden hideout: US officials – The Express Tribune

WASHINGTON: A stash of pornography was found in the hideout of Osama bin Laden by the U.S. commandos who killed him, current and former U.S. officials said on Friday.

The pornography recovered in bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, according to the officials, who discussed the discovery with Reuters on condition of anonymity. The officials said they were not yet sure precisely where in the compound the pornography was discovered or who had been viewing it. Specifically, the officials said they did not know if bin Laden himself had acquired or viewed the materials. Reports from Abbottabad have said that bin Laden’s compound was cut off from the Internet or other hard-wired communications networks.

It is unclear how compound residents would have acquired the pornography. But a video released by the Obama administration confiscated from the compound showed bin Laden watching pictures of himself on a TV screen, indicating that the compound was equipped with video playback equipment. Materials carted away from the compound by the U.S. commandos included digital thumb drives, which U.S. officials believe may have been a principal means by which couriers carried electronic messages to and from the late al Qaeda leader. Three other U.S. officials familiar with evidence gathered during investigations of other Islamic militants said the discovery of pornography is not uncommon in such cases.

 

[cheekybird]

So low........they(US) have to look up to look at a snake

 

[sur]

Ron Paul Min:4:00+

US is building-up an enemy in Pakistan,,, so that we have massive invasion & spread the war...
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[sur]

Hoax: White House Claims 4-Year-Old Bin Laden Video Is New Footage

Dubious Bin Laden “Home Movies” Identical To Tapes Released 4 Years Ago By Pentagon Front Group

In a desperate effort to bolster its crumbling official narrative, the White House today released a set of dubious Bin Laden “home movies” purportedly seized from his compound during the raid on Sunday night that it claims show Bin Laden on camera in 2010, but the tapes are almost identical to footage released almost four years ago by a notorious Pentagon front group that acts as a conduit for US intelligence by regularly releasing fake Al-Qaeda videos.

Before we even look at the new tapes, recall that the Washington Post reported last year on how CIA officials recruited “darker-skinned employees” to create fake Bin Laden tapes. The fact that the CIA created fake Bin Laden tapes is an admitted fact, not a conspiracy theory.

“Extraordinary home videos taken from Osama bin Laden’s hideout show the terrorist leader watching news coverage of himself on television,” reports the Daily Mail.


“The videos were seized by Navy SEALs after Bin Laden was killed. They were shown to reporters this afternoon by intelligence officials.”

One of the videos purports to show Bin Laden watching television news reports about himself. The footage is filmed from almost behind his head and only shows a small portion of his face. The TV shows footage of Bin Laden as well as still images and footage of Barack Obama. Interestingly, the only moment in which the cameraman zooms in on the TV so that you can clearly see the picture is when it either shows Bin Laden, Obama, or both of them in a still shot together.

Contrary to the footage of Bin Laden allegedly flicking through television channels, in which his beard is gray, in the other tapes, which the White House claims were recorded between October and November 2010, Bin Laden appears with his beard dyed black. The man watching TV appears to be much older than the Bin Laden seen in the other tapes.

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MSNBC ran the video under the headline New Video Shows Bin Laden In Gold Robe. However, these tapes are almost identical to footage first released by the Pentagon front group SITE in September 2007. In that footage, Bin Laden also appears with a dyed beard and is wearing exactly the same clothes. The only thing that differs is the color of the background, but in other tapes the background is the same brown color as the 2007 tape. As computer expert Neal Krawetz’s analysis revealed, fake backgrounds are often used on purported “Al-Qaeda” tapes, where a blue screen is used to superimpose the figure of the speaker over a pre-selected backdrop.



The footage in these tapes purports to show Bin Laden making recordings in late 2010, and yet he looks identical to how he appeared in tapes first released in 2007.

The establishment media has completely failed to even mention the fact that much of the footage, which the White House claims was filmed in 2010, is almost identical to that first released in 2007 by the Pentagon front group SITE. Why would Bin Laden make a video in October 2010 and not release it? Unless this is merely outtakes from the footage already released four years ago.

It would not be the first time that tapes of Bin Laden have been passed off as new material when in fact they are years old.

In July 2007, the mainstream media heralded the arrival of a tape of Bin Laden giving a speech as new footage. In fact it was almost six years old, having been filmed in October 2001 and later released by IntelCenter, SITE’s sister organization, in October 2003. At the time we did an image comparison proving that the footage dubbed “new” in 2007 was in fact filmed in 2001 and released first by the Al-Ansaar Islamic news agency in 2002.



As we documented yesterday, the organization that released the original 2007 tape which is virtually identical to the tapes released by the White House today is nothing more than a conduit for Pentagon propaganda run the daughter of a former Israeli spy.

The SITE organization is virtually a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, and has been caught releasing fake Al-Qaeda tapes on numerous occasions. SITE’s website domain is hosted by servers located in Washington DC, which are stationed between the Department of Homeland Security and the Israeli Embassy.

As in the 2007 tape, the As-Sahab logo appears in the “new” tapes released by the White House. A 2007 investigation by Neal Krawetz featured in Wired Magazine found that the As-Sahab logo was added at the same as the IntelCenter logo, another US military-industrial complex front, meaning the so-called “Al-Qaeda” tapes were in fact coming straight out of US intelligence circles. Although Krawetz asserted that this was the case in a taped interview, after the story began to receive attention he mysteriously backed away from the claim despite Wired’s Kim Zetter receiving approval from Krawetz that all the information contained in the original report was valid.

These “new” tapes which are actually identical to footage first released in 2007 will do little to firm up the White House’s crumbling Bin Laden narrative, which has been under suspicion after it was reported that Osama’s body was hastily dumped into the sea and President Obama refused to release an image of the dead Bin Laden.

The narrative of last Sunday’s raid has flip-flopped constantly and even mainstream journalists are starting to become wary, particularly after it emerged that Obama and Hillary could not have watched the raid unfold live as they had claimed because the live feed was cut before the Navy SEALS entered the compound, meaning that the “situation room” photos that purported to show Obama and Hillary watching Bin Laden’s assassination live were in fact completely staged.