Osama bin Laden’s death: Updates & Discussions

[AAtish]

Well, consider it as reliable and independent corroboration if tests are repeated by Pakistan on the forensic evidence left behind.

First of all, the burden of proof rests with claimant until and unless required otherwise.. up until now, its just "word of mouth" so its USA's responsibility to prove that what they claim is the truth.. Secondly, the point which we are talking about is not whether OBL is dead or not.. HE IS DEAD.. the question is whether he was in THAT "mansion" in Abbottabad or not.. and that can ONLY be proved by the "live feed" Video.. OBAMA was WATCHING isn't it?

As far as DNA testing is concerned.. dropping blood of any of OBL's brothers in the "mansion" will give 85-99.9% confirmation about him being OBL (thats the figure Obama gave, not 100%).. Thats biological aspect of DNA testing, it takes both parent's DNA to compose every child's DNA, In rare cases you can have 100% match between two siblings even though they are not identical twins..

Anyways, thats not the point.. the point is.. US has the responsibility to justify that OBL was in THAT mansion by whatever means required..

This Abbottabad operation might be a corner stone for another war in the making so we have to be extra careful in what we accept.. and on what basis..

 

[VCheng]

First of all, the burden of proof rests with claimant until and unless required otherwise.. up until now, its just "word of mouth" so its USA's responsibility to prove that what they claim is the truth.. Secondly, the point which we are talking about is not whether OBL is dead or not.. HE IS DEAD.. the question is whether he was in THAT "mansion" in Abbottabad or not.. and that can ONLY be proved by the "live feed" Video.. OBAMA was WATCHING isn't it?

As far as DNA testing is concerned.. dropping blood of any of OBL's brothers in the "mansion" will give 85-99.9% confirmation about him being OBL (thats the figure Obama gave, not 100%).. Thats biological aspect of DNA testing, it takes both parent's DNA to compose every child's DNA, In rare cases you can have 100% match between two siblings even though they are not identical twins..

Anyways, thats not the point.. the point is.. US has the responsibility to justify that OBL was in THAT mansion by whatever means required..

This Abbottabad operation might be a corner stone for another war in the making so we have to be extra careful in what we accept.. and on what basis..

Forensic testing is much more than just DNA testing, my dear Sir, and also please consider that any negative proof, if so obtained, would blow the US story out of the water, no?

 

[Asian.Century]

Shocking twist to OBL operation = any takers ?

 

[AAtish]

Forensic testing is much more than just DNA testing, my dear Sir, and also please consider that any negative proof, if so obtained, would blow the US story out of the water, no?

Agreed.. but the problem is that Pakistan's Government is speaking what US Govt. wants.. Its not about Govt. of Pakistan.. Its about Pakistan and people of Pakistan.. 2000 Political leaders or 700,000 PA are not complete Pakistan.. US wants to reduce Global terrorism (as per their claim) but are creating circumstances to increase it..

 

[TruthSeeker]

2000 Political leaders or 700,000 PA are not complete Pakistan.

So, Mr. AAtish, How does one know what the "complete" Pakistan thinks or wants done in "its" name? Do you believe that Pakistani newspapers speak for the "complete" Pakistan? Do you? You see the problem of speaking for a nation. It cannot be done "completely". The next best thing is to listen to the nation's government, if it is one chosen by the "complete" nation. Hence Mr. Zardari and Mr. Gilani are the voices of the Pakistani nation, n'est-ce pas?

 

[Roybot]

Shocking twist to OBL operation = any takers ?

YouTube - EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW-OBL Operation Was Not Successful(Eye Witness Claims).flv

What a bs artist.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Shocking twist to OBL operation = any takers ?

i thought indian and western media do sensationalism only

 

[AAtish]

So, Mr. AAtish, How does one know what the "complete" Pakistan thinks or wants done in "its" name? Do you believe that Pakistani newspapers speak for the "complete" Pakistan? Do you? You see the problem of speaking for a nation. It cannot be done "completely". The next best thing is to listen to the nation's government, if it is one chosen by the "complete" nation. Hence Mr. Zardari and Mr. Gilani are the voices of the Pakistani nation, n'est-ce pas?

Thanks Mr. TruthSeeker for bringing up this topic.. What is "complete" Pakistan?.. Pakistan is a country composed of 180 million people.. How would you know what "complete" Pakistan wants? then stop interfering in Pakistan's matters.. And CIA/US hasen't started to interfere recently, its been going on since 1970s.. hundreds of times we have caught CIA agents, but like RD they were given DI by US Govt. and they had to be sent back..

See Mr. TruthSeeker, Pakistani people are different from US citizen, your people are not involved in country's politics on day to day basis.. We are.. People who you see here on the forum are just but few, but those who do not come on forums or do not know how to use computers (yes there are people like that, in majority) also respond to events like OBL operation case.. They also "seek the truth"

Now you say, your Govt. should respond to them?.. okay.. Do you know that out of 80 million registered votes 37 million votes were fake?? how did it happened? i don't know.. and i don't care.. as they have been stricken off the list on the order of Supreme Court now.. So when i say that current Govt. is not representative of Pakistani people.. i am telling you the truth!!

I hope you get the point now..

 

[U-571]

Watch from minutes:30:00 onwards...
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News Beat ? 9h May 2011
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M.Bashir, next-door neighbour to ALLEGED hide-out... saw everything lying down on his roof-top...

*First, One copter came & landed around 12 men on roof... & flew away & hovered over nearby mounts...

*Some of those soldiers came to his house knocked at door & yelled in Pashto NOT to come out of their house or they'll get shot,,,

*Then, that copter returned & 2 more copters showed up from 2 opposite directions & 1st copter landed & those 12 soldiers boarded back on it,,,

*THEN THAT COPTER BLEW-UP & BODY PARTS WERE ALL OVER THE GROUND...
Other 2 copters NEVER landed,,, & just flew away...

*Then he & others came out of their houses & went inside the compound, & saw many body parts around wreckage of copter...

*Then Pak-Army showed up & also there was a "small" blast in wreckage of copter, both of which dispersed the crowd out of the compound...
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NONE of the landed soldiers survived ,,, the ONLY copter that landed, blew-up & the other 2 stayed in the air... then HOW WAS THE BODY OF OSAMA TAKEN AWAY>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!!


What about US claim that none of their soldiers died,,, !!! May be she was right, those Pushto-speaking soldiers were NOT Americans after-all,,, they were Afghans...!!!

this is indeed very shocking.... if those afghans were the only soldiers which did operation, then they were the one's only who knew about whether osama was dead or not, by killing them americans ensured no body talks about this operation after they are gone from afghanistan as they were the only witnesses

and it also shows proves, if the guy is telling truth that pakistan army cleared the bodies, so pakistan army must have the proves whether osama is dead or not, even if they are lying, pakistan army must have got the osama blood samples from the mension, but it seems like army is keeping every body in the dark and secretly helping out the americans

 

[cheekybird]

Its getting very confusing day by day...

 

[S.M.R]

this is indeed very shocking.... if those afghans were the only soldiers which did operation, then they were the one's only who knew about whether osama was dead or not, by killing them americans ensured no body talks about this operation after they are gone from afghanistan as they were the only witnesses

and it also shows proves, if the guy is telling truth that pakistan army cleared the bodies, so pakistan army must have the proves whether osama is dead or not, even if they are lying, pakistan army must have got the osama blood samples from the mension, but it seems like army is keeping every body in the dark and secretly helping out the americans

It is every possibility that the copter gunned down by forces. When US forces came to know abt that, they played the ongoing drama.

 

[U-571]

Many people inside and outside Pakistan as well Indians think that it was a drama, BUT even if it was a Drama/Fake Encounter, the OFFICIAL Pakistan Govt./Army, WH, Pentagon and American Administration statements are that it was all US operation, Pak radars jammmed at night, it was 100% OBL killed at Abbotabad, no casualties reported, OBL body safely taken and dumped into Sea. Mission satisfactorily done according to Pakistani Ambassordar Wajahat Hassan.

People have to believe it since no one of you were there to see it, so LIVE with it.

only the people as dumb as you can afford to so because, all people know uncle sam is a big liar, it lied when it said samjhota express bombings were done by lashkar e taiba when it proved to be a hindu army general responsible for it, uncle sam lied when it said that raymind davis is a consulate guy when it turned on to be a cia blackops guy, uncle sam is still lieing and keeps lieing all the time, our govt also lies as the theory of the radars jammed is proving out to be false, its not the public but the military guys themselves who are speaking against the radar jamming theory

if u wanna live in fool's paradise, be indian guest

 

[U-571]

It is every possibility that the copter gunned down by forces. When US forces came to know abt that, they played the ongoing drama.

not likely, if kyani plays with the americans, he wouldnt dare make them angry

 

[U-571]

i thought indian and western media do sensationalism only

whats so sensational about it, the news channel merely spoke with an eye witness, he said some things important, about the dead bodies from the chopper, the army guys speaking pushto and warning them not to come outside, indians are paranoid people, stupid yet paranoid

the guy also said, his cousin was investigated by pakistan army, and then he was threatened not to go out of his house, the guy is afriad to talk what he witnessed, why you think somebody would be threatened that way??

 

[pakdefender]

basically what this guy is saying that only one heli came initially to drop off the men and then it went away, after some time when it came back to pick up the men , it blew up.

After the explosion , they went to compound and saw dead bodies lying in the compound.

The other two helis showed up afterwards but they did not decend.

hmmmm , its quite murky.

Half past 12 is not very late and quite a lot of people must be awake and according to this guy others also saw what hes saying.

Also he adds that his cousin went missing [ was picked up ] but now hes back