‘Opportunity for Saudi Arabia to be key interlocutor between U.S., Pakistan’

[My-Analogous]

Taliban was created by Pakistani establishment to hide their ambitions to control Afghanistan
It is old wine in a new bottle.

Stop drinking to much, we will discuss when you come to your senses

 

[airmarshal]

Pakistan did try to bring Taliban to negotiations but the Taliban leader was droned. This is double play and deceit by the Americans. They cant be wanting to talk and killing Taliban leadership at the same time.

This has also weakened Pakistan position to convince Taliban to talk. And for all good reason, why should they even talk to Afghan government which cant survive without American help? They control significant portion of the country. They would want to talk directly to Americans and I can totally understand it.

In this current situation, Taliban are backed by Iran and Russia as well.

Whenever you see Saudi action on the ground, its actually American and Saudi interests that Saudis are at the forefront. Saudis have always rented Islam for imperial interests. Dont go by what Indians say here, Taliban were favored by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and only three countries recognized them. It was to do with gas pipelines and Taliban could them provide some semblance of stability to allow such venture to go ahead. Americans fully backed Taliban then.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

I will give the Pakistani establishment benefit of doubt on creation of Taliban.
The sheer crudeness and barbarity of their ideology raises serious doubts about sanity of some folks in Pakistani establishment



USA did not change the name of the Muhajdeen groups. Pakistani generals decided which nutcase got the weapons in the 1980s. Pakistan excluded left wing and secular and nationalist Afghan groups. how convenient ??

culprits on every terrorist attack on USA - 9/11, USS cole attack, WTC bombing, East African embassy bombing have been extradited from Pakistan. I will let you figure out who the culprits are. you invited the Americans in.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pakistan-arrests-uss-cole-attack-suspect-1.474908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/30/w...rest-of-a-suspect-in-98-embassy-bombings.html

Ha Ha Ha! You know what, you're a complete goner. Its not worth it to have a discussion with you. You keep talking in circles.

 

[wiseone2]

Give whatever you want, that won't change face of the world.



Were others afghanis factions angels ?

The sanity of some folks in Pakistani establishment was to do whatever to protect the country. They choosed the faction which was the less opposed to Pakistan. Which and what were other factions ? Pro Iran ? Pro India ? So any sane folks in establishement would have picked the neutral one or at least the less opposed to their country...

Isn't what is doing USA in many countries ?




Could you name those groups or factions ?



And ?

You invited the Americans in by backing a bunch of nutcases.

Could you explain how a peace loving state of yours allows terrorists to enter your country ?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pakistan-arrests-uss-cole-attack-suspect-1.474908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/30/w...rest-of-a-suspect-in-98-embassy-bombings.html
This is not a complete list

I am not tell you what to do or whom to support. But live with the consequences of your actions

 

[Vortex]

You invited the Americans in by backing a bunch of nutcases.

Could you explain how a peace loving state of yours allows terrorists to enter your country ?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pakistan-arrests-uss-cole-attack-suspect-1.474908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/30/w...rest-of-a-suspect-in-98-embassy-bombings.html
This is not a complete list

I am not tell you what to do or whom to support. But live with the consequences of your actions

But live with the consequences of your actions

So may i kindly, gently, warmly, politely, heartfully remind you that what happened to USA was due to their fµcking Cold War with Soviets.

Had the USA and Soviets made love instead of their cold fµcking war, Afghanistan would have never been invaded, never talibans would have created, never PaKistan would have supported one or another faction, and never 9/11 would have happened, never terrorists would have existed let alone their hidding in that country !

So if you want continue to say "live with the consequences of your actions", then tell it to your new friends !

And as side note (sorry for the off topic), had the hindus never oppressed muslims in India, Muslims wouldn't have fought for a separate county !

Yes the face of the world would have competely different !

 

[wiseone2]

So may i kindly, gently, warmly, politely, heartfully remind you that what happened to USA was due to their fµcking Cold War with Soviets.

Had the USA and Soviets made love instead of their cold fµcking war, Afghanistan would have never been invaded, never talibans would have created, never PaKistan would have supported one or another faction, and never 9/11 would have happened, never terrorists would have existed let alone their hidding in that country !

So if you want continue to say "live with the consequences of your actions", then tell it to your new friends !

And as side note (sorry for the off topic), had the hindus never oppressed muslims in India, Muslims wouldn't have fought for a separate county !

Yes the face of the world would have competely different !

USA told you to resist Soviets in Afghanistan. In 1989 the Americans washed their hands off. The Soviets followed after in 1990. After that it is your choice.

They did not tell you to pick the most backward brain dead tribal leaders with the most warped interpretation of Islam to support. That was the choice of your generals.

There were proxy wars in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, East Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam. A lot of those societies have moved on. None of them are complaining.

 

[shahbaz baig]

USA told you to resist Soviets in Afghanistan. In 1989 the Americans washed their hands off. The Soviets followed after in 1990. After that it is your choice.

They did not tell you to pick the most backward brain dead tribal leaders with the most warped interpretation of Islam to support. That was the choice of your generals.

There were proxy wars in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, East Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam. A lot of those societies have moved on. None of them are complaining.

You are stupid! USA provided enough weapons to talibans And the amount of weapons were animaginable so let alone 1990, those weapons could be utilized for many years against the oppressor. And pakistan choosed not to be oppressor but friendly.. And there was no reason to be oppressor with the heros of US..

 

[Vortex]

USA told you to resist Soviets in Afghanistan. In 1989 the Americans washed their hands off. The Soviets followed after in 1990. After that it is your choice.

They did not tell you to pick the most backward brain dead tribal leaders with the most warped interpretation of Islam to support. That was the choice of your generals.

There were proxy wars in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, East Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam. A lot of those societies have moved on. None of them are complaining.

No ! We didn't had choice left to choose between factions clearly hostile to Pakistan or a, if not neutral, at least less hostile. It's unfortunate. But Pakistan had no choice ! Geopolitic was playing. And yu know it very well.
If USA helped then Afghanistan to build a democracy as they were champion of free world, loving democrzcy etc.. we would not have been in that situation.


About proxy wars...

East Pakistan ? India played its card at right time. What is Bangladesh today ? a pawn of India ? Had East Pakistan being Pakistan today, be sure India would have created havoc by using proxy still today, India would have picked up the most pro indian party be it the most horrible. Isn't it ?

About Vietnam ok one side won. and there is no petrol until recently, but wait few years. So no real interest till today from both side... but still how much killed ?

Cambodgia ? hey don't remember how they were cruel ? how much they killed ? And when they were defeated, as there was no much ressources (petrol etc) so no one was interested... But wait... seems petrol and gas was discovered...

Nigeria = petrol : who is exploiting it's petrol ? Had the russian tried to control its petrol, be sure there would have many groups like talibans or other ISIS...

Sri Lanka.... hmmm... Do I need to enter in its discussion?

And it's not because you don't read or hear they aren't complaining, that they really aren't...

And now I saw how @shahbaz baig was right about the ressources...

 

[wiseone2]

No ! We didn't had choice left to choose between factions clearly hostile to Pakistan or a, if not neutral, at least less hostile. It's unfortunate. But Pakistan had no choice ! Geopolitic was playing. And yu know it very well.
If USA helped then Afghanistan to build a democracy as they were champion of free world, loving democrzcy etc..


About proxy wars...

East Pakistan ? India played its card at right time. What is Bangladesh today ? a pawn of India ? Had East Pakistan being Pakistan today, be sure India would have created havoc by using proxy still today, India would have picked up the most pro indian party be it the most horrible. Isn't it ?

About Vietnam ok one side won. and there is no petrol until recently, but wait few years. So no real interest till today from both side... but still how much killed ?

Cambodgia ? hey don't remember how they were cruel ? how much they killed ? And when they were defeated, as there was no much ressources (petrol etc) so no one was interested... But wait... seems petrol and gas was discovered...

Nigeria = petrol : who is exploiting it's petrol ? Had the russian tried to control its petrol, be sure there would have many groups like talibans or other ISIS...

Sri Lanka.... hmmm... Do I need to enter in its discussion?

And it's not because you don't read or hear they aren't complaining, that they really aren't...

And now I saw how @shahbaz baig was right about the ressources...

India finished their proxy war in Bangladesh and moved on. You won't hear lectures from the Indian establishment about destabilizing the war in East Pakistan was

Why are you assuming "anti-Pakistani" faction in Afghanistan will remain anti-Pakistani always ?

China is friendly now with Vietnamese proxies in Cambodia whom they fought during the cold war

USA is courting Vietnamese communists whom they fought 50 years ago

The civil war in Sri Lanka had zero impact on the economic growth of the Southern states in India

Pakistanis are the only ones whining about a civil war from the 1980s. A civil war they chose to participate in. And one they profited from

 

[Spring Onion]

During the meetings, the the Trump Administration plans to discuss the new South Asia policy and seek the Kingdom’s help in Pakistan taking action towards elimination of terrorist safe havens inside its territory.
The White House on Monday said there is an opportunity for Saudi Arabia to be a key interlocutor between the U.S. and Pakistan, as President Donald Trump has expressed dissatisfaction over “bare minimum” actions taken by Islamabad against terror groups.

“As you well know the Saudis have a long deeper relationship with Pakistan. There’s opportunities within that for the partner to provide, be a key interlocutor, if you will, so that there’s no misunderstanding between the U.S. in Pakistan to convey not just messages, but also to identify opportunities for both parties to help them,” a senior administration official said.

The remarks gains significance on the eve of the White House visit of the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman for whom the Trump Administration is throwing a red-carpet welcome.

During the meetings, the the Trump Administration plans to discuss the new South Asia policy and seek the Kingdom’s help in Pakistan taking action towards elimination of terrorist safe havens inside its territory.

Breaking the traditional protocol U.S. President Donald Trump will receive the Crown Prince Salman at the White House.

It is slated to have one-o-one meeting at the Oval Office and then host him over a working lunch at the White House. These protocols are normally reserved for the heads of a state of a major country or a top ally and partner of the U.S.

Major topics on discussion between the two leaders will is the current situation in region, Syria and Yemen, Iran’s behaviour and the Middle East Peace process. They will also discuss bilateral issues, including Saudi investment in America’s infrastructure and defence trade, the senior administration official said on condition of anonymity.

Noting that Saudi Arabia recognises the importance the Trump Administration’s place on South Asian Strategy, the official said that this is one of such initiatives where they offered to assist for example, funding for the Afghan national security forces.

There’s some discussions about, could they host a donor’s conference in Kuwait, have the donor’s conference for reconstruction, which would be economically quite beneficial, mutually beneficial in terms of support for the Afghan government or support in the direction U.S. is trying to go in countering extremism in Saudi Arabia, the official said.

This is a unique opportunity, the official noted.

While countries are saying that this is an American priority, the instability in South Asia has larger implications for the region.

Countries can work with the U.S. to address a common security challenges in a way that can be much more efficient but also more effective, and hopefully bringing these conflicts to a resolution, the official said.

Noting that Saudi Arabia is a key partner and an all-time friend of the U.S., the official said for Mr. Trump, his visit to the Kingdom was certainly one was of the high points of his first year in office.

“Saudi Arabia, security as a priority for the US. Over the past nine months, Congress has approved $ 54 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia. The department of defence has continued several programmes to build its capacity and capability. We also have close and strong economic relationship with Saudi Arabia,” the official said.

“We continue to engage with our Saudi partners on their plans for civil nuclear program and possibly the United States supply of nuclear equipment expertise and material,” the official said.

“We are expanding our cooperation on countering Arabian influence in the region to terrorists in Syria and Yemen and elsewhere and cutting off funding for terrorists and extremists across the region,” the official said.

“On a regular basis we are engaging directly with senior leadership and we will keep those engagements in the next several weeks on a broad range of issues, increasing our coordination on Middle East regional issues, advancing shared strategic objectives and developing new channels and capabilities by which we can institutionalize each interact and make them more effective,” the official added.

This week, the U.S., Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are launching a trilateral dialogue at the national security advisor level, which will engage monthly on issues of strategic importance, like maligning Iranian activities in the region and implementation of the U.S. South Asia strategy.

“The President’s meeting with the crown prince tomorrow, there is a tremendous opportunity to make progress on a range of issues and strengthened these bilateral relations,” the official said.

Mr. Trump and the Crown Prince among other things will discuss countering extremism, Russia’s role in supporting the Assad regime’s atrocities in Syria, the official said.



http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...cutor-between-us-pakistan/article23299056.ece

so the main point of this meeting and this report is USA wants KSA to provide funds for American war in Afghanistan .

 

[wiseone2]

You are stupid! USA provided enough weapons to talibans And the amount of weapons were animaginable so let alone 1990, those weapons could be utilized for many years against the oppressor. And pakistan choosed not to be oppressor but friendly.. And there was no reason to be oppressor with the heros of US..

americans and soviets cut the weapons by 1990. You cannot blame anyone for the mess in the 1990s
instead of forming a broad national unity government Pakistan pushed for narrow faction they felt they can control.
do not blame others for your decisions

 

[shahbaz baig]

americans and soviets cut the weapons by 1990. You cannot blame anyone for the mess in the 1990s
instead of forming a broad national unity government Pakistan pushed for narrow faction they felt they can control.
do not blame others for your decisions

Do you have Low level of IQ? Or some comprehensive problem? Hummmm it's not your fault. One day a man and woman with hasty manner decided and tried hard in 1989 which resulted a birth of illegitimate child in 1990. They should have used the safety. blame goes to your parents.
@Vortex Is there anybody here who can apply electric shock to his brain ? This boy claims himself wise one but he is viceroy of dumb. and need some serious treatment

 

[wiseone2]

Do you have Low level of IQ? Or some comprehensive problem? Hummmm it's not your fault. One day a man and woman with hasty manner decided and tried hard in 1989 which resulted a birth of illegitimate child in 1990. They should have used the safety. blame goes to your parents.
@Vortex Is there anybody here who can apply electric shock to his brain ? This boy claims himself wise one but he is viceroy of dumb. and need some serious treatment

there are numerous proxy wars in the world. none of them blame Uncle Sam or Soviets for the past. most of them have moved on.

you have a stupid elite or stupid populace or both that believes and plays the blame game

movements need money to sustain themselves. If the spigot was turned off in 1990 where is the money coming from ? you need some gray matter to think through this

 

[shahbaz baig]

there are numerous proxy wars in the world. none of them blame Uncle Sam or Soviets for the past. most of them have moved on.

you have a stupid elite or stupid populace or both that believes and plays the blame game

movements need money to sustain themselves. If the spigot was turned off in 1990 where is the money coming from ? you need some gray matter to think through this

grow up kid.. by repeating the false narrative, unlogical arguments here cant make your nonsense into any sense. Keep on saying nonsense who cares..

 

[Meengla]

taliban independent of Pakistan
it is more like they are arm of the Pakistani establishment

I am old enough to remember that between 1996-2001 there were artillery exchanges on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan when the Taliban Emirate/Caliphate was an 'arm' of Pakistan. Also, while the Mullah Umar Emirate had virtually conquered all of Afghanistan and were very dependent on Pakistan--they still didn't recognize the Durand Line as international border.

So why would the Talibans be more friendly to Pakistan now especially they were dumped in 2001 by Pakistan?