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Opinionated - China Chipping Away to Semiconductor Dominance

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Well, they count Taiwan as China.. I guess that is where they got China as a world leader.

1. US is for sure a world leader in semiconductor tech ,but not sure in next 8-10 year.
2. We did not count Taiwan's semiconductor industry in Mainland China's semiconductor industry.
 
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The semiconductor is mainly made of two parts. Design and fab.
Nowadays there are many design house in mainland China.
the bigger problem is the fab.
28 nm process is best process mainland China can achieve.
Intel is going for 10 nm. Samsung/TSMC is going for 14/16nm.
but the industry is over performance and slowing down, and there are still huge demand of chips in China.
so the semiconductor industry for China is likely to catch up.
But for it is still to early to say that India can catch up.
As what I see, India is still working on what China did 20 years ago to start up.


What do you mean by the statement that Taiwan and Sk are "merely" two foundries for the US semiconductor?

Memory is designed and made by Samsung and SK Hynix almost exclusively, and are used in everyone's mobiles.

Similarly, a lot of what China makes is also made for US or Europe.

Everyone has their place in the value chain, and I don't think it valuable to disparage anyone.
Right now Market is the only award that matters, and China is starting from a pretty low base.
I actually have a lot of confidence that China will start getting better in Semiconductors over time.
One notable thing everyone's missing here is that slowly people are coming to assemble stuff in India. Foxconn is planning big for India, and hence slowly the Chinese stranglehold over Electronics Manufacturing will ease.

Remember, China manufactures a lot of electronics, and hence, uses semiconductors in their manufacturing. While its use is both for domestic and international market, the semiconductor sales are counted to China.

This is a powerful leverage that China has used. Like more than half of all sales of Qualcomm are to China primarily because that is where electronics are made.

Slowly, China will be loosing that leverage, and Chinese companies will also find it hard to grow.
 
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Chinese people had me believe that they were world leaders in semiconductor tech :lol:

Don't you worry。

Give us 3 more years and you will see 3 Chinese companies among the top-20。

10 Years and 10 Chinese companies among top-20.

Life is interesting so enjoy it while you still can. :lol:

PS The listed are either suffering negative growth or having low single-digit growth while their Chinese competitors are enjoying 30 or even 50% growth. :D

The make-up of the table will see significant changes in the next few years.
 
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Don't you worry。

Give us 3 more years and you will see 3 Chinese companies among the top-20。

10 Years and 10 Chinese companies among top-20.

Life is interesting so enjoy it while you still can. :lol:

PS The listed are either suffering negative growth or having low single-digit growth while their Chinese competitors are enjoying 30 or even 50% growth. :D

The make-up of the table will see significant changes in the next few years.

But many are coming from a very low base.

No doubt though that some Chinese semiconductor companies will be able to enter the list. Though I don't agree with your timing of 1 company per year. I would venture to say, that by 2020, 2-3 companies will be able to enter the list.
 
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PSS Without the Chinese market,all the companies are nothing but a piece of dead
But many are coming from a very low base.

No doubt though that some Chinese semiconductor companies will be able to enter the list. Though I don't agree with your timing of 1 company per year. I would venture to say, that by 2020, 2-3 companies will be able to enter the list.

Not really。The likes of Hisilicon、Unigroup and SMIC already have annual revenues in billions of USD。

And don't forget that the vast majority of the top-20 have their business closely tied to the Chinese market。Once China starts replacing imports with its own products,the fortunes of some of these companies will go down the drain the way many a telecom infrastructure firms have。And pretty soon too。:D

It is only a matter of time。
 
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PSS Without the Chinese market,all the companies are nothing but a piece of dead


Not really。The likes of Hisilicon、Unigroup and SMIC already have annual revenues in billions of USD。

And don't forget that the vast majority of the top-20 have their business closely tied to the Chinese market。Once China starts replacing imports with its own products,the fortunes of some of these companies will go down the drain the way many a telecom infrastructure firms have。And pretty soon too。:D

It is only a matter of time。


It is not Chinese domestic market that is big, it is China contractor market.

Meaning that almost all the cell phones are made in China, and it is counted as Chinese market, when a lot of it is exported and has nothing to do with domestic Chinese consumer market.

Since, low level manufacturing is already moving out of China, China will soon lack that leverage of holding everyone's to its whims.
 
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No need to argue with boring prediction,meaningless.
Now,we all admit USA dominate this industry,SK 、Europe,Taiwan and Japan are at the second class,Mainland China is still behind but we are catching up very fast,and time will prove who will be the winner.
By the way,just for curiosity ,we all know semiconductor industry is very very important,do other BRICS countries government have strong policies to build their own semiconductor industry or just ignore it?
 
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If the phones are made in China, why cannot they switch to China chips?
It is good to have such a big market..

It is not Chinese domestic market that is big, it is China contractor market.

Meaning that almost all the cell phones are made in China, and it is counted as Chinese market, when a lot of it is exported and has nothing to do with domestic Chinese consumer market.

Since, low level manufacturing is already moving out of China, China will soon lack that leverage of holding everyone's to its whims.
 
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It is not Chinese domestic market that is big, it is China contractor market.

Meaning that almost all the cell phones are made in China, and it is counted as Chinese market, when a lot of it is exported and has nothing to do with domestic Chinese consumer market.

Since, low level manufacturing is already moving out of China, China will soon lack that leverage of holding everyone's to its whims.

It is still early days,but。。。

And if the hundreds of small and not so small companies would just merge to form 10 groups。:D

China Shows Their Ambition In Semiconductors By Soaking Up World’s Technologies

May 22, 2015

China is ready to localize semiconductors such as non-memory, DRAM, and NAND flash. Its goal is to change 200 billion dollars worth of imports, which is about two-third of world’s semiconductor market size (300 billion dollars), into domestic products. Semiconductors are large-scaled singular import item that exceeds oil import in China.

Excluding memory such as DRAM and NAND flash, China built fabless market which the size of it is number 3 in the world. While China recorded 9% of shares last year, Korea only recorded 1%.

China is receiving appraisal that it had already surpassed Korea in technical skills and its ambition now is to compete against U.S. after surpassing Taiwan, which has many fabless competitors. China primarily wants to localize DRAM semiconductors to meets its domestic demand, but its ultimate goal in long-term is to enter top echelon of World’s DRAM market.

◇China developed global fabless and foundry

Starting late 1990s, China pushed for the development of all areas such as semiconductor design, production, and application step by step. Under the strategy that makes Chang Jiang Delta, which is comprised of Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang, centered for semiconductor industry, China prepared step-by-step development ways by 2010 such as accumulated complex. It also set out a plan to expand semiconductor industry such as semiconductor package and test to front-end development by 2015 when it is at back-end development.

Chinese government then set Taiwan as a target for its technology standard. It hoped to localize half of integrated circuit’s (IC) demand and 80% of its demand by 2020. It also hoped to develop its semiconductor production base as number 3 in the world, and its bigger picture is to promote its industry that can be compared to Silicon Valley.

Afterwards Chinese government focused on reorganizing industrial structure centered around ‘Zhongguancun Nationally Independent Innovating Testing Borough’ so called Chinese Silicon Valley. It announced ‘Guideline for Developing Chinese IC Industry’ in June of 2014 and made a goal for this year’s industry sale as 61 billion dollars. It also prepared a steppingstone to invest in industry related to semiconductors by speeding up international merger and acquisition process through makings of ‘Chinese National Integrated Circuit Industrial Investment Fund’.

Semiconductor industry developed rapidly under the Chinese government’s support that was systematic and step-by-step.

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<■Order of semiconductor manufacturers’ shares in Chinese market in 2013 is Intel (13.8%), Samsung (7.6%), SK Hynix (4.0%), Toshiba (3.3%), TI (3.1%), Qualcomm (2.6%), ST Micro (2.5%), Freescale (2.2%), and Renesas (1.7%) ■Current state in sales of top 10 businesses in 2013 is as following ▲HiSilicon Technologies ($2120 million) ▲Spreadtrum Communications ($1013 million,now owned by Unigroup)▲RDA Micro Electronics ($455 million,now owned by Unigroup)▲Datang Semiconductor Design($390 mil)▲Beijing Nari Smartchip($350 mil)▲Saman Optoelectronics($348 mil) ▲No. 55 Research Institute($326mil)▲MLS($319 mil)▲Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics($293 mil) ▲Galaxy Core($273 mil) >

According to CCID, Chinese fabless businesses grew from 15 in 1990 to 98 in 2000 to 485 in 2010, and to 583 in 2013. Top 10 Chinese fabless businesses in 2014 sold 43% (56 billion dollars) of Chinese sales, which indicates that they developed into huge businesses.

According to market investigation enterprise ‘IC Insights’, only Hisilicon, which is an affiliated company of Huawei, was in top 50 in the world in 2009. But in 2014, 9 Chinese businesses including Spreadtrum, Datang, Nari Smart Chip, CIDC, Rockchip, RDA, Allwinner, and etc were in top 50.

Spreadtrum is an example that grew rapidly under the Chinese government enterprise ‘Tsinghua Group’ after it took over Spreadtrum in 2013 and gave Spreadtrum full support.

Foundry also developed along with system semiconductor. By the help of fast-growing manufacturing firms such as Huawei, Lenovo, Haier, TLC, and etc., system semiconductors and foundry were able to be developed together. Foundry business called SMIC gets 45% of its sales from domestic demand. Although SMIC’s main customers are China and the U.S., its growth potential is plentiful since Chinese domestic market is growing rapidly.

SMIC is also closing on competitors in technical skills. SMIC’s goal this year is to mass-produce 28-nano process in Beijing and Shanghai. Its other goals this year include differentiated technical development, operation of new fabless, and findings of new partners in China and other countries.

Other major foundries are:Huahong Grace SemiconductorWuhan XMCShanghai Huali MicroelectronicsCSMC TechnologiesChina Resources Microelectronics(CR Micro)etc。

◇Semiconductor technologies from all over the world

To develop DRAM production business, Chinese government is looking at 6 local governments to build DRAM fabless. Beijing, Shanghai, Hefei, Wuhan, and two other cities are competing to attract the construction of DRAM fabless. When DRAM fabless is built in the chosen city, there will be a huge industrial complex because an industrial ecosystem will be developed due to semiconductor design, equipments, and materials.

Chinese system semiconductor industry was able to develop because many talented people studied abroad and came back to experience semiconductor industry at a Chinese business. It is known that there are lesser talented people in memory field since it puts importance on processing skill that produces actual chip and it has higher level of difficulty than system semiconductor.

It is shown recently that China is investing nonstop in securing world’s best technology whether it’s memory or non-memory.

Earlier this month, Chinese private equity fund consortium announced that it will buy Omnivision, which is number 2 CIS company in the world, for 1.9 billion dollars. This is the result of rise of importance in high-pixel image technique in cars, security, and IoT, and not just in Smartphones. By buying omnivision, it is able to compete against Sony and Samsung Electronics who are number 1 and 3 respectively.

It is also active in securing memory technical skills that it lacks. It took a step forward in DRAM industry by making a private equity fund to buy ISSI, which designs mobile DRAM, SD RAM, Analog semiconductor, and etc., for 640 million dollars.

Korea was able to take over Fidelix that designs memory for special use such as SRAM. As demand for small amount of memory is increasing in many fields such as IoT, it is a field that China definitely wants to get their hands on since they are actively trying to secure many technologies as possible.

Attracting investments from global enterprises is becoming active, and Intel is a prime example. Intel announced last year that it will invest 1.6 billion dollars for 15 years hereafter in Chengdu, which is Chinese main production base for IT equipments. Its goal is to upgrade facilities in Chengdu completely and introduce high-tech technical skills to operate in late next year. It also made an alliance with Rockchip to increase the shares in low-price application processor (AP) for tablets.

Qualcomm is looking to increase its share by building a strong cooperative system with Chinese businesses. It is preparing to produce 28-nano process based AP by forming an alliance with SMIC. XMC, foundry business that holds 300 mm fabless technology, is cooperating with Spansion to develop 3D-NAND technology to mass-produce in 2017.

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It is not Chinese domestic market that is big, it is China contractor market.

Meaning that almost all the cell phones are made in China, and it is counted as Chinese market, when a lot of it is exported and has nothing to do with domestic Chinese consumer market.

Since, low level manufacturing is already moving out of China, China will soon lack that leverage of holding everyone's to its whims.

China‘s is by far the world's largest mobile devices market、computer(desk tops、notebooks)market、home appliances market、autos market。etc etc。。。in short,China is the world's largest consumer of electronics。
 
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It is not Chinese domestic market that is big, it is China contractor market.

Meaning that almost all the cell phones are made in China, and it is counted as Chinese market, when a lot of it is exported and has nothing to do with domestic Chinese consumer market.

Since, low level manufacturing is already moving out of China, China will soon lack that leverage of holding everyone's to its whims.

Low level manufacturing is stuff like socks, garments and pure assembly of electronics. That has already mostly left in 2008-2010. China's biggest export is machinery, not garments or electronics, and those are pretty much domestically owned. Even in electronics, Apple uses an exceptionally low, not high, amount of domestically produced parts. Domestic brands use more domestic parts.

Also, when ppl talk about "Chinese mobile phone market" they mean mobile phones sold in China. Exported phones are counted as part of production but not part of market. Get this straight lol. The domestic market alone is enough for 5 Intels of semiconductor production.
 
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What do you mean by the statement that Taiwan and Sk are "merely" two foundries for the US semiconductor?

Memory is designed and made by Samsung and SK Hynix almost exclusively, and are used in everyone's mobiles.

Similarly, a lot of what China makes is also made for US or Europe.

Everyone has their place in the value chain, and I don't think it valuable to disparage anyone.





Right now Market is the only award that matters, and China is starting from a pretty low base.

I actually have a lot of confidence that China will start getting better in Semiconductors over time.

One notable thing everyone's missing here is that slowly people are coming to assemble stuff in India. Foxconn is planning big for India, and hence slowly the Chinese stranglehold over Electronics Manufacturing will ease.

Remember, China manufactures a lot of electronics, and hence, uses semiconductors in their manufacturing. While its use is both for domestic and international market, the semiconductor sales are counted to China.

This is a powerful leverage that China has used. Like more than half of all sales of Qualcomm are to China primarily because that is where electronics are made.

Slowly, China will be loosing that leverage, and Chinese companies will also find it hard to grow.

We have the talent to design & develop such chips what we lacks is manufacturing facilities @Chanakya's_Chant can tell more

oh that's is why India and Vietnam are the 2 super powa in Asia
Vietnam is having their b-phones too

China is still a backward country with retreating foundries, collapsing economy, taken over the IMO crown by USA, to be beaten by the yankies in supercomputing shortly, cant make a fighter jet in the same high standards as Tejas, submarines are louder than JAV whores, great worries in retaining its positions in aquatic competitions even losing hopes in diving, losing of Sun Yang in 1500 meters and the other athletes are just a massive flop after Kazan ... sounds like you are a lot more pessimistic on China than some fcuk-up Chinese flaggers who are reeking with wasabi in their breath

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Why you getting so ballistic,calm.down dude
 
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