Opinion: Pakistan must become an authoritarian state to progress

[fisher1]

These are wet dreams of fascists but may they never come true.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Enlightened representation, let's talk about that... Democracy as in 51 votes give a win it all to one side and 49 stand aghast. Islam didn't ordain a form of government, rightfully so, if it did it would have become tyranny of the process and system. But we are provided clues on how to proceed... and I for one assume it to be a Republic for it being a public matter. How we go about it has been a question mark and people all over have experimented or posited ideas, needless to say it has been a process. But we can reflect upon and say with confidence, there have been failures.

I will posit a process commencing from the very bottom, a process of constituencies, say each constituency must have a minimum 1000 and a maximum of 9,999 constituents, one seat per constituency each elected unanimously meaning affirmative ballot(we are sending a representative of a community to serve it's issues not a shyster selling dream). The purpose is to have a representative intimately connected with his constituents, a member of said community. A graph would have been better, anyways. A number of constituencies make a representative council, that again must select a representative. So on and so forth...

Purpose of this exercise is to remove party based politics and give voice to the remaining 49 voters, such as in a majoritarian winner take all system.

Though, I have personal biases towards voters... such as only head of household votes or married couples only. Representatives must meet certain minimum threshold, that is must not be a convict, must perform obligatory congregational Salah in Jama'ah so on and so forth. I believe people will make the right choice in selecting best person to represent their concerns... Four or two years seems a legitimate term and terms can be capped unless the representative is promoted to a higher chamber in which case must still remain a representative member of their constituency. It works as a pyramid and of course executive must be the best that a people have to offer.

This of course is only one route, metropolitan areas can have constituencies representing businesses, tradesmen and other relevant groups. Rural constituencies with tribal representation etc.

This however is the nervous system only that is feelings, desires and apprehensions of the society it's skeletal system is top down... i.e. People that work for the state and it's processes of enforcement, controls and implementation. Each council will have a governor implemented by the state as it sees fit and for a limited period of time. Each council is it's own minor government living it's way with their language, customs and cuisine. Each council is a source of executives power such as tiered law enforcement, military and other federation departments.

What I propose is not impossible to implement but needs resolve and most importantly people's will for decency, independence, respect and justice. Mobs captivated by stunts, soothing words and elaborate dreams can only lead to opportunists playing with lay emotions.

 

[Khan vilatey]

I posted this in the Musharraf thread but I'm gonna post it here too



Pakistan needs to be ruled by the military and it has always been better this way. Military knows how to run this country with an iron fist and that is when Pakistan as a nation will progress.

Democracy only works in countries where your population is intelligent enough to make sensible decisions. If your awaam is foolish and easily manipulated, democracy is a like a bomb waiting to go off. Putting decisions in the hands of your foolish awaam will ruin your nation and criminals will loot a weak democracy and corrupt it to the core. Politicians are so busy trying to gain power for themselves that they will make up fake scandals to create opposition. These criminal politicians will do everything they can to prevent, block, and slow down the gov't from implementing obvious and basic reforms that will help the nation. Democracy in Pakistan is a curse that will hold this nation back from achieving its full potential. China would never have become China if it was a democracy.

Military should take full power of every aspect of the state of Pakistan and root out all these corrupt criminals and mafia with an iron fist.

Shoot everyone in the bhutto, sharif and zardari family.

Every transaction greater than 500Rs requires CNIC, or NTN. Every business need to register and get a proper license.

Karachi under federal rule. Hyderabad new capital of Sindh.

Hazara province.

South Punjab province. Create a new city adjacent to Multan that will act as the capital.

Spend 5% of GDP on health. Spend 5% of GDP on education.

New Pakistan requires a new constitution.

Pakistan is now a one party authoritarian state, with the government having total control.

Proceed to liquidate the old order, wipe out the political elite and acquire all their lands and buisnesses.

Televised hangings and amputations of criminals who laundered billions of rupees from the international exchequer on PTV and all the world to see.

Privatize steel mill

MRAP for soldiers on Durand line

Media ethics will be strictly enforced any journalist who is a repeat offender will get his license revoked and will do 5 years in prison

Tough action against international NGO's stepping outside their mandate

High taxes on property above a certain value

Decrease redtape for setting up business

A purge in judiciary against Iftikhar elements

Abolish feudalism

Capital Punishment for corrupt politicians and high level officials

Increase our lobbying in the Gulf, America and the EU

aspen what you say is treason. we need to perfect democracy and give choice to our people not run the other way. Life is not all a defence play there is much more to it. We need to focus on our economy to allow our people to grow. That is much harder then churning out zombies.
What you suggest was tested in ussr and North Korea both and countless such regimes failed the latest one is Saudi Arabia. With all the money and seemingly military power they can’t even defeat the rag tag huti’s.

see the reason people are afraid of Pakistan because of its bronze but because of the brain that made the bronze. We had nothing but we defended ourselves.
K

 

[El Sidd]

These are wet dreams of fascists but may they never come true.

Iranian Pakistanis

 

[nahtanbob]

1. Bhutto was the fool who ignited it.
2. Sharif is civilian gov't
3. Military could have wiped out both
4. Karachi is a mess because its Karachi
5. Zardari is civilian gov't
6. Afghan war was a lose-lose situation
7. Military gov't has a a better track record

Your critique of democracy is valid on the surface. Your prescription will work only if your army generals make the right decisions. They will persist in confronting India in a war they cannot win. If your generals are that smart what were they doing when India built up their IT exports during the 1990s and 2000s ?

On a side note if you take away geopolitical events like Cold War, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 9/11 Pakistani army generals would have a terrible track record. There was a lot of foreign aid associated with those events. I can argue the generals would not have lasted 10 years in power without the foreign aid.

 

[BlueWhales]

1. What balls? Bangladesh was created due to drunken army chief.
2. Nawaz Sharif was son of Zia ul Haq imposed on us.
3. MQM was created to counter PPP and Jamat in Karachi.
4. MQM haqeqi was created by ISI to break MQM resulted in murders of thousands of Karachi guys and destruction of Karachi for 2 decades.
5. Zardari was allowed to get into power by Musharaf to save his own a**.
6. The balls shown by Musharaf after 9/11 resulted in not only lost of strategic depth in Afghanistan but also we had to entered into a foreign war cost us lives and economy. American themselves admitted that they couldn't believe the demands accepted by Musharaf as they were sure that Pakistan will not admit all the demands.
7. Army is their to defend the country and should stick to the job. We respect and love them for this.

8. Bhutto was also Ayub Khan product

Even, i like Musharraf & Ayub Khan, but remember all Pakistani politicians are military product,
Even, US govt is controlled by Pentagon (US Army), and all politicians are puppet of Pentagon and Pentagon is puppet of Israel..

 

[El Sidd]

8. Bhutto was also Ayub Khan product

Even, i like Musharraf & Ayub Khan, but remember all Pakistani politicians are military product,
Even, US govt is controlled by Pentagon (US Army), and all politicians are puppet of Pentagon and Pentagon is puppet of Israel..

You like them because you assume they were seculars or in retrospect they killed more people of the kind you don't like.

And lol to your Israeli Mullah propaganda.

 

[Aspen]

Your critique of democracy is valid on the surface. Your prescription will work only if your army generals make the right decisions. They will persist in confronting India in a war they cannot win. If your generals are that smart what were they doing when India built up their IT exports during the 1990s and 2000s ?

On a side note if you take away geopolitical events like Cold War, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 9/11 Pakistani army generals would have a terrible track record. There was a lot of foreign aid associated with those events. I can argue the generals would not have lasted 10 years in power without the foreign aid.

It's a useless point because there will always be huge conflicts every 10 years.

These are wet dreams of fascists but may they never come true.

Well it's either that or the pitiful system we have now.

I hate when people try to defend the current democratic system in Pakistan when any Pakistani who is being honest with themselves knows that Pakistan's current democratic structure does not work at all and is rotten to the core.

People complain about military gov'ts of Pakistan but at least they had the balls to try different strategies. You will never know how something will work out until you try it. Civil gov'ts have always been too scared to try anything meaningfully new that would actually bring real change and reform to Pakistan because they always worried about getting reelected. When real change and reforms did come in Pakistan, it was always under a military gov't that didn't give a shit about elections.

 

[CIA Mole]

It’s the policy and enforcement that matters, not the form of government

 

[Aspen]

I want change. I want a system in which everyone is accountable, even me or you. Countries are progressing fast and you can see all new technologies evolving rapidly. You can see where we are standing right now. Constitution should not restrict non Muslims. If Muslims are not performing, give chance to others. Europe has proved that countries can progress. For God's sake, they have seen world war and were affected badly but look at them now. Look at their airlines, their railways, their shopping malls, their streets, everything is so beautiful because there is very little corruption. I think we are going downward and I can't rule out civil war. Pakistan is not changing, not evolving.look at India, our enemy! They can send their own satellites in space. Look where we are standing. Same stone age mentality with obsolete ideas. If a king can save system, let him save. let military rule. Let people fear for their lives!

Agreed.

The people in poverty in rural Punjab and Sindh are not going to care about choosing which corrupt party to vote for, they care more about who can help them put food on the table. Military gov'ts understood this reality very well, much better than any civilian gov't. If that is an authoritarian gov't, then that's what it is. Getting things done is more important than voting for somebody who is too weak to do anything.

 

[The Accountant]

8. Bhutto was also Ayub Khan product

Even, i like Musharraf & Ayub Khan, but remember all Pakistani politicians are military product,
Even, US govt is controlled by Pentagon (US Army), and all politicians are puppet of Pentagon and Pentagon is puppet of Israel..

Partially agreed my friend but in US establishment is not pentagon. US establishment involves a lot more people including but not limited to CIA, wall street, oil companies, weapon manufacturer, big tycoon families and other power groups.

 

[GumNaam]

yes and no. Pakistan DOES need an authoritarian ruler but a democratically elected, civilian one that will move forward shoulder to shoulder with the Military Establishment (meaning not try to order them around but rather work with them and make policies with their input) and (here's the main part so read carefully) GROOM THE MASSES OUT OF THIS SUBDUED COLONIAL MINDSET WHERE THEY WANT TO BE TOLD WANT TO DO!

 

[nahtanbob]

It's a useless point because there will always be huge conflicts every 10 years.

it is not useless because it masks incompetence of the Pakistani army generals
incompetence (not in military matters) in the realm of administering a country

 

[CatSultan]

I posted this in the Musharraf thread but I'm gonna post it here too



Pakistan needs to be ruled by the military and it has always been better this way. Military knows how to run this country with an iron fist and that is when Pakistan as a nation will progress.

Democracy only works in countries where your population is intelligent enough to make sensible decisions. If your awaam is foolish and easily manipulated, democracy is a like a bomb waiting to go off. Putting decisions in the hands of your foolish awaam will ruin your nation and criminals will loot a weak democracy and corrupt it to the core. Politicians are so busy trying to gain power for themselves that they will make up fake scandals to create opposition. These criminal politicians will do everything they can to prevent, block, and slow down the gov't from implementing obvious and basic reforms that will help the nation. Democracy in Pakistan is a curse that will hold this nation back from achieving its full potential. China would never have become China if it was a democracy.

Military should take full power of every aspect of the state of Pakistan and root out all these corrupt criminals and mafia with an iron fist.

Shoot everyone in the bhutto, sharif and zardari family.

Every transaction greater than 500Rs requires CNIC, or NTN. Every business need to register and get a proper license.

Karachi under federal rule. Hyderabad new capital of Sindh.

Hazara province.

South Punjab province. Create a new city adjacent to Multan that will act as the capital.

Spend 5% of GDP on health. Spend 5% of GDP on education.

New Pakistan requires a new constitution.

Pakistan is now a one party authoritarian state, with the government having total control.

Proceed to liquidate the old order, wipe out the political elite and acquire all their lands and buisnesses.

Televised hangings and amputations of criminals who laundered billions of rupees from the international exchequer on PTV and all the world to see.

Privatize steel mill

MRAP for soldiers on Durand line

Media ethics will be strictly enforced any journalist who is a repeat offender will get his license revoked and will do 5 years in prison

Tough action against international NGO's stepping outside their mandate

High taxes on property above a certain value

Decrease redtape for setting up business

A purge in judiciary against Iftikhar elements

Abolish feudalism

Capital Punishment for corrupt politicians and high level officials

Increase our lobbying in the Gulf, America and the EU

We need a monarchy. they worked for us for thousands of years. Pakistanis appreciate a strong military leader.

 

[Aspen]

yes and no. Pakistan DOES need an authoritarian ruler but a democratically elected, civilian one that will move forward shoulder to shoulder with the Military Establishment (meaning not try to order them around but rather work with them and make policies with their input) and (here's the main part so read carefully) GROOM THE MASSES OUT OF THIS SUBDUED COLONIAL MINDSET WHERE THEY WANT TO BE TOLD WANT TO DO!

If the people of Pakistan have their way, this country will be run into the ground and make the current situation look good.

The interests of Pakistan becoming a successful country and what the people of Pakistan want is in direct contradiction with each other. If Pakistan wants to become a successful country, a lot of people will be pissed off along the way to get there, and for that you need an authoritarian leader who is not elected and who does not give a shit what people think so he can do all the ugly but necessary reforms that would get blocked or voted out in a democracy.