Operations in Dir and Buner
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To me it seems the GOP has given in to the US pressure. A while ago there was news that taliban have withdrawn completely from Buner and now this. Now i have started to realize why peace deals never work out, because the US does not allow it to happen and the GOP is too pussy to stand up for what they believe is right.
Now imagine how will this sit with the masses in Pakistan? The day Shariat was announced, US started to have problems and then we saw different statements coming from the US from Pakistan giving in to the talibans to the threats of attacking Swat, added to that suddenly out of nowhere a video tape gets aired about a girl getting flogged in Swat, then GOP starts giving out statements about establishing the writ of the government, taliban suddenly start to march and then a propaganda is launched about taliban being only 60 miles from the capital making it look as if the state is about to fall and then finally we see a military operation.
Now what should a common man believe into? GOP, US or perhaps the taliban. Seriously GOP has lost all credibility and no one is anymore interested in what they have to say apart from the MQM and yes the PML-N who recently visited the US embassy
, one out of many reasons why taliban are getting stronger is because of the pathetic attitude of the GOP and their US pleasing policies.
Now imagine how will this sit with the masses in Pakistan? The day Shariat was announced, US started to have problems and then we saw different statements coming from the US from Pakistan giving in to the talibans to the threats of attacking Swat, added to that suddenly out of nowhere a video tape gets aired about a girl getting flogged in Swat, then GOP starts giving out statements about establishing the writ of the government, taliban suddenly start to march and then a propaganda is launched about taliban being only 60 miles from the capital making it look as if the state is about to fall and then finally we see a military operation.
Now what should a common man believe into? GOP, US or perhaps the taliban. Seriously GOP has lost all credibility and no one is anymore interested in what they have to say apart from the MQM and yes the PML-N who recently visited the US embassy
, one out of many reasons why taliban are getting stronger is because of the pathetic attitude of the GOP and their US pleasing policies.
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Pakistani jets, choppers bomb Taliban near capital
By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago
ISLAMABAD – Pakistani jets and attack helicopters bombed Taliban positions in a district near the capital Tuesday, the military said, in an expansion of an offensive against militants seemingly emboldened by a much-criticized peace deal.
Troops and heavy artillery also joined the operation in Buner, which follows urgent calls from the United States for Islamabad to step up its fight against the militants, who moved into the region this month from the nearby Swat Valley. They set up checkpoints, patrolled streets and warned locals to abide by strict interpretations of Islam.
The offensive will cause major strains on an already shaky peace deal in the Malakand region, to which Buner belongs. The truce has been widely viewed in the West as a surrender to militants seen as slowly expanding their grip over the nuclear-armed nation.
Maj. Nasir Khan said jets bombed positions in mountains in the Babaji Kandao area of Buner. Casualty figures were not immediately known. Another military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, said troops were also moving into the region. He estimated between 450 and 500 insurgents were in the area.
Witness Mohammad Shahid Khan said he saw tanks, heavy artillery and hundreds of troops heading over the Ambala pass leading to Buner.
Buner lies about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from Islamabad. Though they denied they were responding to outside pressure, Pakistani officials in recent days issued stern warnings against the Buner infiltrators, while launching a separate offensive against militants in Lower Dir, another district covered by the peace deal.
Abbas said the Dir operation was now complete and had killed between 70 and 75 militants. TV footage has shown hundreds of refugees fleeing the area, but officials have not released figures on any exodus.
Pakistan has launched at least a dozen operations against militants in the Afghan border region over the last five years. Officials have frequently claimed success, but the mostly lawless, mountainous area remains a haven for extremists who use it to stage attacks on foreign troops in neighboring Afghanistan, according to foreign governments.
Hundreds of thousands of people have fled the area and scores of civilians have been killed in the operations. The country has more than 100,000 troops on the border, but analysts say they have little experience in guerrilla operations, having been trained to fight a conventional war against long-standing enemy India on the country's eastern flank.
There are also major questions about the country's will to fight the insurgency, with politicians split on the seriousness of the threat they pose despite scores of bloody suicide attacks across the country in recent years. Frequently, Muslim leaders and politicians blame the militancy on the country's alliance with Washington and direct their anger at U.S. drone strike at militant targets in the northwest.
The Malakand deal imposes Islamic law in the region in exchange for peace with militants who have waged a violent two-year campaign in the Swat Valley. It apparently emboldened the Swat militants to go beyond the valley's borders, at least under the guise of enforcing Islamic law.
Many of the Taliban were reported to have left Buner starting on Friday. But Interior Minister Rehman Malik said earlier Tuesday that those remaining must leave or the government would take action
By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago
ISLAMABAD – Pakistani jets and attack helicopters bombed Taliban positions in a district near the capital Tuesday, the military said, in an expansion of an offensive against militants seemingly emboldened by a much-criticized peace deal.
Troops and heavy artillery also joined the operation in Buner, which follows urgent calls from the United States for Islamabad to step up its fight against the militants, who moved into the region this month from the nearby Swat Valley. They set up checkpoints, patrolled streets and warned locals to abide by strict interpretations of Islam.
The offensive will cause major strains on an already shaky peace deal in the Malakand region, to which Buner belongs. The truce has been widely viewed in the West as a surrender to militants seen as slowly expanding their grip over the nuclear-armed nation.
Maj. Nasir Khan said jets bombed positions in mountains in the Babaji Kandao area of Buner. Casualty figures were not immediately known. Another military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, said troops were also moving into the region. He estimated between 450 and 500 insurgents were in the area.
Witness Mohammad Shahid Khan said he saw tanks, heavy artillery and hundreds of troops heading over the Ambala pass leading to Buner.
Buner lies about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from Islamabad. Though they denied they were responding to outside pressure, Pakistani officials in recent days issued stern warnings against the Buner infiltrators, while launching a separate offensive against militants in Lower Dir, another district covered by the peace deal.
Abbas said the Dir operation was now complete and had killed between 70 and 75 militants. TV footage has shown hundreds of refugees fleeing the area, but officials have not released figures on any exodus.
Pakistan has launched at least a dozen operations against militants in the Afghan border region over the last five years. Officials have frequently claimed success, but the mostly lawless, mountainous area remains a haven for extremists who use it to stage attacks on foreign troops in neighboring Afghanistan, according to foreign governments.
Hundreds of thousands of people have fled the area and scores of civilians have been killed in the operations. The country has more than 100,000 troops on the border, but analysts say they have little experience in guerrilla operations, having been trained to fight a conventional war against long-standing enemy India on the country's eastern flank.
There are also major questions about the country's will to fight the insurgency, with politicians split on the seriousness of the threat they pose despite scores of bloody suicide attacks across the country in recent years. Frequently, Muslim leaders and politicians blame the militancy on the country's alliance with Washington and direct their anger at U.S. drone strike at militant targets in the northwest.
The Malakand deal imposes Islamic law in the region in exchange for peace with militants who have waged a violent two-year campaign in the Swat Valley. It apparently emboldened the Swat militants to go beyond the valley's borders, at least under the guise of enforcing Islamic law.
Many of the Taliban were reported to have left Buner starting on Friday. But Interior Minister Rehman Malik said earlier Tuesday that those remaining must leave or the government would take action
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Pakistani jets, choppers bomb Taliban near capital
By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer 17 mins ago
ISLAMABAD Pakistani jets and attack helicopters bombed Taliban positions in a district near the capital Tuesday, the military said, in an expansion of an offensive against militants seemingly emboldened by a much-criticized peace deal.
Troops and heavy artillery also joined the operation in Buner, which follows urgent calls from the United States for Islamabad to step up its fight against the militants, who moved into the region this month from the nearby Swat Valley. They set up checkpoints, patrolled streets and warned locals to abide by strict interpretations of Islam.
The offensive will cause major strains on an already shaky peace deal in the Malakand region, to which Buner belongs. The truce has been widely viewed in the West as a surrender to militants seen as slowly expanding their grip over the nuclear-armed nation.
Maj. Nasir Khan said jets bombed positions in mountains in the Babaji Kandao area of Buner. Casualty figures were not immediately known. Another military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, said troops were also moving into the region. He estimated between 450 and 500 insurgents were in the area.
Witness Mohammad Shahid Khan said he saw tanks, heavy artillery and hundreds of troops heading over the Ambala pass leading to Buner.
Buner lies about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from Islamabad. Though they denied they were responding to outside pressure, Pakistani officials in recent days issued stern warnings against the Buner infiltrators, while launching a separate offensive against militants in Lower Dir, another district covered by the peace deal.
Abbas said the Dir operation was now complete and had killed between 70 and 75 militants. TV footage has shown hundreds of refugees fleeing the area, but officials have not released figures on any exodus.
Pakistan has launched at least a dozen operations against militants in the Afghan border region over the last five years. Officials have frequently claimed success, but the mostly lawless, mountainous area remains a haven for extremists who use it to stage attacks on foreign troops in neighboring Afghanistan, according to foreign governments.
Hundreds of thousands of people have fled the area and scores of civilians have been killed in the operations. The country has more than 100,000 troops on the border, but analysts say they have little experience in guerrilla operations, having been trained to fight a conventional war against long-standing enemy India on the country's eastern flank.
There are also major questions about the country's will to fight the insurgency, with politicians split on the seriousness of the threat they pose despite scores of bloody suicide attacks across the country in recent years. Frequently, Muslim leaders and politicians blame the militancy on the country's alliance with Washington and direct their anger at U.S. drone strike at militant targets in the northwest.
The Malakand deal imposes Islamic law in the region in exchange for peace with militants who have waged a violent two-year campaign in the Swat Valley. It apparently emboldened the Swat militants to go beyond the valley's borders, at least under the guise of enforcing Islamic law.
Many of the Taliban were reported to have left Buner starting on Friday. But Interior Minister Rehman Malik said earlier Tuesday that those remaining must leave or the government would take action
By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer 17 mins ago
ISLAMABAD Pakistani jets and attack helicopters bombed Taliban positions in a district near the capital Tuesday, the military said, in an expansion of an offensive against militants seemingly emboldened by a much-criticized peace deal.
Troops and heavy artillery also joined the operation in Buner, which follows urgent calls from the United States for Islamabad to step up its fight against the militants, who moved into the region this month from the nearby Swat Valley. They set up checkpoints, patrolled streets and warned locals to abide by strict interpretations of Islam.
The offensive will cause major strains on an already shaky peace deal in the Malakand region, to which Buner belongs. The truce has been widely viewed in the West as a surrender to militants seen as slowly expanding their grip over the nuclear-armed nation.
Maj. Nasir Khan said jets bombed positions in mountains in the Babaji Kandao area of Buner. Casualty figures were not immediately known. Another military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, said troops were also moving into the region. He estimated between 450 and 500 insurgents were in the area.
Witness Mohammad Shahid Khan said he saw tanks, heavy artillery and hundreds of troops heading over the Ambala pass leading to Buner.
Buner lies about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from Islamabad. Though they denied they were responding to outside pressure, Pakistani officials in recent days issued stern warnings against the Buner infiltrators, while launching a separate offensive against militants in Lower Dir, another district covered by the peace deal.
Abbas said the Dir operation was now complete and had killed between 70 and 75 militants. TV footage has shown hundreds of refugees fleeing the area, but officials have not released figures on any exodus.
Pakistan has launched at least a dozen operations against militants in the Afghan border region over the last five years. Officials have frequently claimed success, but the mostly lawless, mountainous area remains a haven for extremists who use it to stage attacks on foreign troops in neighboring Afghanistan, according to foreign governments.
Hundreds of thousands of people have fled the area and scores of civilians have been killed in the operations. The country has more than 100,000 troops on the border, but analysts say they have little experience in guerrilla operations, having been trained to fight a conventional war against long-standing enemy India on the country's eastern flank.
There are also major questions about the country's will to fight the insurgency, with politicians split on the seriousness of the threat they pose despite scores of bloody suicide attacks across the country in recent years. Frequently, Muslim leaders and politicians blame the militancy on the country's alliance with Washington and direct their anger at U.S. drone strike at militant targets in the northwest.
The Malakand deal imposes Islamic law in the region in exchange for peace with militants who have waged a violent two-year campaign in the Swat Valley. It apparently emboldened the Swat militants to go beyond the valley's borders, at least under the guise of enforcing Islamic law.
Many of the Taliban were reported to have left Buner starting on Friday. But Interior Minister Rehman Malik said earlier Tuesday that those remaining must leave or the government would take action
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To me it seems the GOP has given in to the US pressure. A while ago there was news that taliban have withdrawn completely from Buner and now this. Now i have started to realize why peace deals never work out, because the US does not allow it to happen and the GOP is too pussy to stand up for what they believe is right.
Now imagine how will this sit with the masses in Pakistan? The day Shariat was announced, US started to have problems and then we saw different statements coming from the US from Pakistan giving in to the talibans to the threats of attacking Swat, added to that suddenly out of nowhere a video tape gets aired about a girl getting flogged in Swat, then GOP starts giving out statements about establishing the writ of the government, taliban suddenly start to march and then a propaganda is launched about taliban being only 60 miles from the capital making it look as if the state is about to fall and then finally we see a military operation.
Now what should a common man believe into? GOP, US or perhaps the taliban. Seriously GOP has lost all credibility and no one is anymore interested in what they have to say apart from the MQM and yes the PML-N who recently visited the US embassy
gov havent given into any kind of pressure. deal was made to take public into confidence. locals were demanding shariah and were sayin that if shariah is implemented then talibans will give up their arms but that didnt happen and ppl themselves saw talibans not keepin their word. it has to do nothing the US. also taliban did leave from buner but some of them did remain. gov gave them warnin to leave but that fell on deaf ears. now there is more public support and more ppl are callin for military action against them.
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Now there are thousands of civilians fleeing the area, since attacks by air are coming far in advance of the ground troops that could protect civilians. What plans have been made to accomodate these refugees?
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nothing so far. provincial gov said that it will setup camps in peshawar and other nearby areas
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FC with help of Army starts anti-militants operation in Buner
ISLAMABAD, April 28 (APP): The Frontier Corps with the help of Pakistan Army on Tuesday evening launched a full fledged operation to eliminate and expel militants from Buner, said Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abass. Giving detailed briefing to media‑persons at ISPR, Gen. Athar Abass said the operation which may last for around one‑week is meant to deal with the militants who are around 450 to 500 in number.
He said the operation is being headed by Inspector General Frontier Corps and fighters of PAF and gunship helicopters of Pakistan Army Aviation besides heavy weaponary of Pakistan Army are being engaged as backup support in the operation.
He said the operation in Lower Deer area, launched a couple of days ago, has been successfully accomplished where around 70 to 75 militants have been killed while 10 FC personnel have embraced shahadat.
He said the operation in Buner has been launched after finding all the process of peaceful means to be a complete failure.
Giving background details of the operation, he said that kidnapping for ransom of civilians and forces personnel, killing of police and other law and order personnel, barring the routine activities and forcefully taking over the public and private property whereby challenging the writ of the state had become order of the day in the area. They also attacked the military conveys in the area, he added.
On April 2 and 3 some 300 armed militants entered the area in violation of the agreement and despite repeated warnings by the local civil administration during the course, the militants did not stop their unlawful activities. Despite all that the government showed maximum restraint and did not go for any operation with the aim to fully expose the aims of the militants in the area.
Finally, seeing the worsening situation the government had left with no other option than to launch an operation, he said.
He also arranged various tele‑conversations (intercepted and recorded earlier through intelligence means and ststed to be of having material veracity) between various militant commanders including of Maulvi Fazal Ullah were played.
The tele‑conversation proved that the militants had no plans to leave the area but for the sake of media coverage only a few of the militants had to move out of the place.
Director General ISPR in reply to a question said that there was no proof available of foreign hand involvement in the on‑going militancy but there are reports that the money, arms and ammunition and telecommunication systems are being provided to them. From where all these are being provided to the militants he asked.
He said no foreign militant was found in Deer operation.
He dispelled the impression and termed all media reports on threats from militants to the federal capital as baseless. All such reports are baseless as militants cannot reach here ‑ its not a matter of distance that how far are they (militants) are but there are many other factors ‑ we have a fool proof system in place to check any such activity or threat, he stated in firm tone.
We are a country of 170 million inhabitants and having a very big military coupled with a huge and strong system of paramilitary and police in the place ‑ we know how we can defend our motherland. We all are here to take care of our motherland, so there is no need to worry about.
In reply to another question, he said that they have no clue about banned TNSM leader Maulana Sufi Muhammad who is reported to be missing for the last couple of days.
When his attention was drawn towards a recent statement of US General Mike Mullan, DG ISPR said, we have all confidence in our capabilities ‑ we know our abilities and how to deal with the threats from inside and from the neighbour.
He expressed concern that the media does not carry that prominently the news of contradiction or denial of a report carried by it earlier. We had contradicted a news item according to which a senior military officer was stated to be delivering a sermon and offering prayers under the headship of a militant leader.
In reply to yet another question, he said nuclear assets of the country are fully safe and guarded well and any report terming them as unsafe is the part of malicious and baseless campaign being run against the country.
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )
ISLAMABAD, April 28 (APP): The Frontier Corps with the help of Pakistan Army on Tuesday evening launched a full fledged operation to eliminate and expel militants from Buner, said Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abass. Giving detailed briefing to media‑persons at ISPR, Gen. Athar Abass said the operation which may last for around one‑week is meant to deal with the militants who are around 450 to 500 in number.
He said the operation is being headed by Inspector General Frontier Corps and fighters of PAF and gunship helicopters of Pakistan Army Aviation besides heavy weaponary of Pakistan Army are being engaged as backup support in the operation.
He said the operation in Lower Deer area, launched a couple of days ago, has been successfully accomplished where around 70 to 75 militants have been killed while 10 FC personnel have embraced shahadat.
He said the operation in Buner has been launched after finding all the process of peaceful means to be a complete failure.
Giving background details of the operation, he said that kidnapping for ransom of civilians and forces personnel, killing of police and other law and order personnel, barring the routine activities and forcefully taking over the public and private property whereby challenging the writ of the state had become order of the day in the area. They also attacked the military conveys in the area, he added.
On April 2 and 3 some 300 armed militants entered the area in violation of the agreement and despite repeated warnings by the local civil administration during the course, the militants did not stop their unlawful activities. Despite all that the government showed maximum restraint and did not go for any operation with the aim to fully expose the aims of the militants in the area.
Finally, seeing the worsening situation the government had left with no other option than to launch an operation, he said.
He also arranged various tele‑conversations (intercepted and recorded earlier through intelligence means and ststed to be of having material veracity) between various militant commanders including of Maulvi Fazal Ullah were played.
The tele‑conversation proved that the militants had no plans to leave the area but for the sake of media coverage only a few of the militants had to move out of the place.
Director General ISPR in reply to a question said that there was no proof available of foreign hand involvement in the on‑going militancy but there are reports that the money, arms and ammunition and telecommunication systems are being provided to them. From where all these are being provided to the militants he asked.
He said no foreign militant was found in Deer operation.
He dispelled the impression and termed all media reports on threats from militants to the federal capital as baseless. All such reports are baseless as militants cannot reach here ‑ its not a matter of distance that how far are they (militants) are but there are many other factors ‑ we have a fool proof system in place to check any such activity or threat, he stated in firm tone.
We are a country of 170 million inhabitants and having a very big military coupled with a huge and strong system of paramilitary and police in the place ‑ we know how we can defend our motherland. We all are here to take care of our motherland, so there is no need to worry about.
In reply to another question, he said that they have no clue about banned TNSM leader Maulana Sufi Muhammad who is reported to be missing for the last couple of days.
When his attention was drawn towards a recent statement of US General Mike Mullan, DG ISPR said, we have all confidence in our capabilities ‑ we know our abilities and how to deal with the threats from inside and from the neighbour.
He expressed concern that the media does not carry that prominently the news of contradiction or denial of a report carried by it earlier. We had contradicted a news item according to which a senior military officer was stated to be delivering a sermon and offering prayers under the headship of a militant leader.
In reply to yet another question, he said nuclear assets of the country are fully safe and guarded well and any report terming them as unsafe is the part of malicious and baseless campaign being run against the country.
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )
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Somehow the timing of the whole thing says otherwise.
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i know wat u are sayin. western media is also sayin the same thing. but we cant do much if the timings of two different events clash... operation had to be carried out after talibans started violating the agreement. gov was waitin for a national consensus which had to be built before launchin any operation. and recently most of the political parties were sayin that same thing which was to confront the talibans. now if Hilary Clinton says the same thing it doesnt mean we should change our plans and rather wait for the news to get old while talibans get control of some more area
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Not much different from what the American expedition forces like to do. Shock and awe, then ground invasion. Only difference it, these are our own people and there are no specific high-priority targets. Something must be dont for the refugees and it must be on a visible scale to let the country know the civillians are being taken care of. Let's not hand the Taleban more recruiting power.
From what I hear that troops have been moved from Mangla, its unlikely that any of XI Corps will be involved in the operation, they are pretty well committed to FATA.
The Pakistan Army has been of the opinion that the centre of gravity is in FATA and I agree with that assessment, I really thing this operation is a side show.
The Pakistan Army has been of the opinion that the centre of gravity is in FATA and I agree with that assessment, I really thing this operation is a side show.
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do u know how is the situation lik in FATA. i dont think if there is any military operation goin on there.
also i think its time to sort these swat talibans out. army along with FC will have to do it one day. wat do u say
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