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I specifically asked about building of cantontment........logo ki raiey ka ahtiram karna seek, apney makhsus "fauji taasub" sey nikal kar har aik ko ghadaar ki nazar sey daikna bund kar.

I respect the people's opinion but the same is not true for those who have been found ' lying through the teeth on countless occasions ' in the past . Even though , everyone has the ' freedom of speech ' here . The people of Swat have made their opinion about army known far and wide in the media , I will take their word for it instead of going for your ' interviews ' everywhere .

I didn't see the ' traitor ' nor the ' army bias ' you speak of , in my post , where was it ?
 
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I respect the people's opinion but the same is not true for those who have been found ' lying through the teeth on countless occasions ' in the past . Even though , everyone has the ' freedom of speech ' here . The people of Swat have made their opinion about army known far and wide in the media , I will take their word for it instead of going for your ' interviews ' everywhere .

I didn't see the ' traitor ' nor the ' army bias ' you speak of , in my post , where was it ?

I dont conduct interviews, i have friends and colleagues from swat........
May be swati doctors have different way of thinking than swati shopkeeper or teacher.......
If you have time then plz share those media clips in which swatis are insisting permenant army's presence in swat.
 
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Taliban rule would never return in swat because swatis have learnt their lesson. They wanted sharia, they were not expecting criminal-like taliban rule. Never in their mind was that fazlullah of FM would led their region in the war with pak army...they experienced the horrors of war and displacements....
They still miss times of swat state, it was golden period, after inclusion of swat state in pakistan in 1970 and subsequest degradation of the region, there was agitation in the region and solutions of it were expected from enforcement of sharia.
 
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@Armstrong bhai,

if you asked me, i would say that Army should remain there. AFAIK there was a plan of cantonment at Matta, Swat. I have no idea what is the status of that cantonment. The issue is that the peace in Swat is still fragile, as the area borders FATA. Miscreants still come from there and do terror activities. Your civilian apparatus is not yet capable of holding-on against TTP. Civilian government has not yet given any road-map to take responsibilities. Even Army has thousands of terrorists in custody but there is no indication of their trail and fate. Picture look rosy from events like Swat festival etc. but it is all due to presence of Army there. Very complex issue but it could be tackle. The will is needed.
 
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Just go to Mingora and see who is building the bridge that is being battered by the floods...and look at the response by the people there.
 
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I specifically asked about building of cantontment........logo ki raiey ka ahtiram karna seek, apney makhsus "fauji taasub" sey nikal kar har aik ko ghadaar ki nazar sey daikna bund kar......swatis love pakistan and pak army, but they think that stay of army is temperory and now they should return back after return of peace....and these people are very educated compared to tribals, they know what exactly is a cantontment and why it shouldnt be built in swat....
logo ki rai ka ahtiram hai tu isiliye ye disussion chal rahe hai.khair.

dosri baat, kisi ki rai ko sunanay ka matlab ye b nh hai k ye assume karliya jaye k uski rai or tahafuzaat darust he hain.

khair choro logo ki rai ko,tumhari apni kya rai hai? You too seem to be educated, lets here it from you, what reservation you as an individual have against building of cantt in Swat? Let's lay to rest 'logo ki rai' for a while and listen to yours. :)
 
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logo ki rai ka ahtiram hai tu isiliye ye disussion chal rahe hai.khair.

dosri baat, kisi ki rai ko sunanay ka matlab ye b nh hai k ye assume karliya jaye k uski rai or tahafuzaat darust he hain.

khair choro logo ki rai ko,tumhari apni kya rai hai? You too seem to be educated, lets here it from you, what reservation you as an individual have against building of cantt in Swat? Let's lay to rest 'logo ki rai' for a while and listen to yours. :)

If we translate your sentences in English, an Imperialist british solider would have said exactly the same...

Amazing how "deliberate" organizational culture transfers its traits to its members !!
 
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DAFUQ....??

exactly... just try and see the astonishing similarity of thoughts.

ofcourse I know that you are either a sociologist nor a business adminstration graduate but still its how it is...
 
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Ignore him.....
He is one of them weird people who think Army are enemies of state and should be banished,imprisoned....and should work for free.

i dont really care for him, but what worries me is his pethatic contributions to every thread he parictipates (read ruin) in.
 
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Honestly speaking,I persist that army should stay there because of following factors:

--Terrorists do not disrupt the peace process
--Helping civil government for re constructional process of area.

It is because of efforts of Pak-army that peace is restored through out the region.Things are not as transparent as they seem,we can assume unofficial threats and foreign intelligence interruption in this region--in fact this is a common sense,I am very shocked to see the response of those members who are insecure of army'S PRESENCE just because they THINK that army is gonna 'take-over' their land like 'khabza mafia'?
 
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Swat people are nice....or atleast the ones we met...really sweet and caring and big hearted!! And I didnt just meet 1-2 but some 5 families....the ones I met were really proud of being Pakhtoon ....

I remember we when we were in UK, aunty used to cook for us and send it to us....as student in a foreign land even a smile from someone is a blessing, what more yummy desi food :smitten: and she introduced us to the Pakistani in the neighborhood and picked and dropped us from hostel for dinner parties and stuff....ahhhh some of my best days in UK were with these families!

Then again most of the uncles were doctors ...really funny ones...they would tell us tales of their youth and family struggles but in a fun an entertaining sort of way....

Though I am guessing these were elite people from Swat..but whatever the case, they left a good impression...
 
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logo ki rai ka ahtiram hai tu isiliye ye disussion chal rahe hai.khair.

dosri baat, kisi ki rai ko sunanay ka matlab ye b nh hai k ye assume karliya jaye k uski rai or tahafuzaat darust he hain.

khair choro logo ki rai ko,tumhari apni kya rai hai? You too seem to be educated, lets here it from you, what reservation you as an individual have against building of cantt in Swat? Let's lay to rest 'logo ki rai' for a while and listen to yours. :)

In my previous posts i have already said that there should be an army cantt in malakand division.....i am not against army cantts, i am against role of police done by army.

logo ki rai ka ahtiram hai tu isiliye ye disussion chal rahe hai.khair.

dosri baat, kisi ki rai ko sunanay ka matlab ye b nh hai k ye assume karliya jaye k uski rai or tahafuzaat darust he hain.

khair choro logo ki rai ko,tumhari apni kya rai hai? You too seem to be educated, lets here it from you, what reservation you as an individual have against building of cantt in Swat? Let's lay to rest 'logo ki rai' for a while and listen to yours. :)

In my previous posts i have already said that there should be an army cantt in malakand division.....i am not against army cantts, i am against role of police done by army.
 
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The first thing to understand is that cantts are not built on 'purchased land' i.e. Army or govt willl not buy any land to built a cantt, it is not DHA(where land is purchased properly and then commercialized, and if someone feels dejected by DHAs and want to vomit more hate, i suggest him/her to go through this: Xeric's Primer: We Don’t Seek Benevolence, But Don’t Malign us Either – Part I

Govt land classified as A1, A2, A3, B1,B2, C1, C3 etc is utlized if a military setup is to be constructed.This already belong to GoP and had been further given to MinDef who further maintain it through cantt borads and cantt executive officers (CEOs).

A station HQ i.e. Military involvemnet will only happen once a cantt has been made and the area has been handed over to the military. This land is for all the services and not for only for te army. The purpose/utilization of land can be as follows:

- Land on which military installations are to b built

- Military residential areas

- Land required for training by military Etc etc

So no one is going to 'purcahse' the land from poor Swatis and deprive them of their rights. Yes, may be a piece here or there has to be purchased for the obvious reasons, but it wouldnt mean that te Army will b going on a shopping spree and forcing people to sell their land. (The taikedars paropagting this should hav opened theur beaks when Nawaz sharif purchased 1000s of acre of land near Changa Manga and forced people to sell it).

i dont understand why would anybody have an issue with a cantt? It is Pakistan's Army and it can be settled anywhere in Pakistan , the govt dont require sanctions and will not ask for permissions, but yes, people's reservtions, if any, must and will be looked into.

i remeber, when Pano Aqill cantt was being constructed, there was a time that tanks were placed to ward off the protestors, but if you ask Aqlians now, they cant imagine a life without the cantt as most of thier economy is dependant on tge cantt.

Nowshehra , a small town is only know because military presence in Arty School, Armour School, PAFAcademy etc. I remeber AC Nowshehra cribbing that 'yaar idhar Daewoo ka adda nahi hai, bari mushkik hoti hai anay janay mai', but the next time i went there, Daewoo had a terminal near arty school. Now we didnt ask for it, but then with military came people who woul travel, and thus now peopl of nowshehra had a facility which they had longed for but couldnt have it, though they tried thu best by approaching Daewoo from one channel to anotger.

Same is true for Okara, Daewoo terminal is near tge cantt gates, and not Okara city. Now haters might even take this as negative by saying that why isnt the terminal there in the city, but what they dont know is that the Army didnt ask for Daewoo, but Daewoo knows from where they can fill their seats, and thus even if they wee not redy to have a terminal in Okara city previously, but now out of compulsion they had to make on in Okara, though near the cantt. Still it is better than not having one, if you ask the people of Okara.

Stupid assertions like 'hey, Army will besige us', 'they will capture our land', etc are just propaganda waiting to fail, as there exists no such thing. It is just as people were fed lies that Army consumes 80% of national budget or Army officers are givn free of cost plots or they dont have to pay utility bills etc.

i would have expected better assertions from 'educated' people, but alas, that wasnt meant to happen.
 
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