On this day, Two IAF Migs are shot down

[Imran Khan]

The problem was the Nuclear tests that India had carried out

We were MORE keen to establish ourselves as a responsible nuclear state

Our restraint HELPED us in improving our image which had taken a beating after the nuclear tests

Never mind there will be a NEXT time

I WISH NO MORE WARS IN FUTURE . its not a joke or ego of internet kids games . its war sir . please think before you wish

 

[Tipu7]

You guys are really great in shooting planes now start shooting some drones

We have shot down Indian drones.......
USA is our allay, they kick us in our territory we kick them in their territory ......

 

[Jamwal's]

India lost 2 Migs - Fact

India recaptured the occupied peaks - Fact

India Captured several Stingers including rare Anzas - fact

Pak didn't accepted the bodies of uniformed soldiers - fact

IAF successfully airstike Kargil peaks - fact

India had more POW than a single IAF pilot - fact

 

[Crixus]

Sir we South Asians have a big problem of hypocrisy one side some are celebrating the shooting of two planes on other side some drone are violating the air space of the same strong sovereign country


we need AID also what abut our f-16 super cobras and other goodies coming fro USA [/QUOTE]

 

[Tipu7]

Might is always right. I don't care about image and all that crap. India should have rolled it's armor and hit where it would have hurt the most. Vajpayee govt did not have the chops.

And what might happened in such case?
Hint:
Indian soldiers exploding on their own mines. The humiliation we saw in stand off of Indian military after Parliament attacks........

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan still occupies four kargil peaks

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On July 26, the country celebrates Vijay Diwas to commemorate India’s victory in the Kargil war. But five years since the war, four strategic Indian posts in Kargil are still under Pakistani control and the government is not ready to spell out the truth, reports VK Shashikumar

Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag. These are posts in the Kargil sector that the soldiers of the Indian army knew incontrovertibly to be their own. They form a sort of memory map of disjointed emplacements along the treacherous mountains in the Kargil sector. Features that are joined in various military maps of the area by dotted lines.

Army sources confirmed to Tehelka that at least two of these features are under Pakistani control, thanks to botched up military operations and a government that wanted to hide the truth. The fate of the other two features, Dalu Nag and Bunker Ridge, is still shrouded in mystery.

“Dalu Nag is certainly in the Kargil sector, but it has a history of its own since the 1980s. It has nothing to do with Kargil operations. Some parts of Dalu Nag may have been occupied by them at that time,” former army chief Ved Prakash Malik told Tehelka. “I do not know what exact locations are being referred to by these names,” he added referring to Saddle Ridge and Bunker Ridge.

For the officers and jawans ordered to engage the intruders in a near-impossible battle, this is more humiliating than the government’s negation of the gains made by the army in the 1965 war. But then, Kargil would probably have never happened if the Tashkent Agreement was not signed in 1965. Even in 1999, India gave Pakistan a walkover and enabled it to retain territory that was always under Indian control. And then, the government misled the nation that Kargil had been cleared of all Pakistani intruders.

Former defence minister George Fernandes, argued that the LoC runs over Pt 5353 and, therefore, was unoccupied by either countries till Kargil happened. A point which is not true.

Ironically, though it was the bjp-led government that hid the truth, the Congress-led upa government is also reluctant to clarify. Tehelka sent a questionnaire to Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee asking him to spell out the truth about the four posts. But at the time of going to print, he had not replied.

Meanwhile, within the army at the level of middle and junior level officers and the brave jawans, there is discontent. Any army unit that has done its tour of duty in Kargil after the war in the summer of 1999 has heard about the secrets locked up in the forbidding heights.

Perhaps it is painful for the army top brass to admit that Operation Vijay was not really an unalloyed victory.

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main4.asp?filename=Ne071704pakistan_still.asp

@Tipu7 @Imran Khan @Indus Falcon

 

[New Resolve]

Indians losses were so high, they ran out of coffins and this is at the height of sanctions when we were probably at our weakest.

Kabhi khusbu laga key aao na point 5353 lainey.

 

[Crixus]

Sir the irony of your post is you used ally and kicking for same country .....normal countries never allows even allies to violate their air space and killing of their citizens by so called ally

We have shot down Indian drones.......
USA is our allay, they kick us in our territory we kick them in their territory ......

 

[Jamwal's]

You are mentioning only those facts which are stored by propaganda machine of your military and media....... FACT

why don't debunk it, we have all the pics and source to prove our claim.

 

[MilSpec]

ROFL

I am fully aware of their views.
Particularly how PN & PAF were un happy about war.
And so called claims of Nawaz Sharif about death toll of Pakistan soldiers.
But what I believe most are words of certain guy (kargil veteran) whom I once met personally......
And he compared the rotting bodies of Indian soldiers with those of dead chicken. Lying in mountains in zig zag manner. Vouchers eating the eye balls.........
No one came to receive those bodies untill war was over.
No one included those death toll in total Indian KIA.
It's all about propaganda & political tactics....

Let's see . Pakistani Intruders (NLI officers and jawans included) sneak into positions evacuated for the winter. (great bravery shown there btw)
Indian Soldiers charge uphil to recapture those posts
Not only do they capture all but one of those posts, but your army rejects to accept the bodies of your own brave soldiers,
Indian Army and Indian Airforce Pounds those positions day and night all your forces sit as mute spectators letting them being slaughtered by Arty and Air raids.

Sure if this is victory for you I would wish hundreds of such victories for you.
For me this was a disappointing end, Indian forces could have done the same when Pakistanis launched Op Gibraltar.

Some facts for you:

 

[Tipu7]

I do wish our soldiers carried cameras with them........
And took snaps as proof of their claims about death toll of Indian soldiers.

Like

The day when there was shortage of wood for making coffins for Indian soldiers..
The day when Indian soldiers bodies piled up at the bottom after rolling for 100 meters from mountain.
Like when vouchers were having free treat on decaying bodies of Indian soldiers.
Like when dead bodies of Indian soldiers were used as a trap to attract more prey.
Like when Indian soldiers blew up by weapons which were once carried by their fellow units who climbed the mountains before them.
Like when Pakistanis were loading Indian weapons as their own weapons were dried up after killing the enemies.

No one bring the facts about ruthless slaughter of Indian military when they were sending units after units to pin point the locations of intruders and no one was coming back......

Kargil we knew today is only about that war which was covered by media........

Otherwise it's fun to discuss war with those veteran who intruded Indian territory first time.........

Pakistan still occupies four kargil peaks

​

On July 26, the country celebrates Vijay Diwas to commemorate India’s victory in the Kargil war. But five years since the war, four strategic Indian posts in Kargil are still under Pakistani control and the government is not ready to spell out the truth, reports VK Shashikumar

Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag. These are posts in the Kargil sector that the soldiers of the Indian army knew incontrovertibly to be their own. They form a sort of memory map of disjointed emplacements along the treacherous mountains in the Kargil sector. Features that are joined in various military maps of the area by dotted lines.

Army sources confirmed to Tehelka that at least two of these features are under Pakistani control, thanks to botched up military operations and a government that wanted to hide the truth. The fate of the other two features, Dalu Nag and Bunker Ridge, is still shrouded in mystery.

“Dalu Nag is certainly in the Kargil sector, but it has a history of its own since the 1980s. It has nothing to do with Kargil operations. Some parts of Dalu Nag may have been occupied by them at that time,” former army chief Ved Prakash Malik told Tehelka. “I do not know what exact locations are being referred to by these names,” he added referring to Saddle Ridge and Bunker Ridge.

For the officers and jawans ordered to engage the intruders in a near-impossible battle, this is more humiliating than the government’s negation of the gains made by the army in the 1965 war. But then, Kargil would probably have never happened if the Tashkent Agreement was not signed in 1965. Even in 1999, India gave Pakistan a walkover and enabled it to retain territory that was always under Indian control. And then, the government misled the nation that Kargil had been cleared of all Pakistani intruders.

Former defence minister George Fernandes, argued that the LoC runs over Pt 5353 and, therefore, was unoccupied by either countries till Kargil happened. A point which is not true.

Ironically, though it was the bjp-led government that hid the truth, the Congress-led upa government is also reluctant to clarify. Tehelka sent a questionnaire to Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee asking him to spell out the truth about the four posts. But at the time of going to print, he had not replied.

Meanwhile, within the army at the level of middle and junior level officers and the brave jawans, there is discontent. Any army unit that has done its tour of duty in Kargil after the war in the summer of 1999 has heard about the secrets locked up in the forbidding heights.

Perhaps it is painful for the army top brass to admit that Operation Vijay was not really an unalloyed victory.

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main4.asp?filename=Ne071704pakistan_still.asp

@Tipu7 @Imran Khan @Indus Falcon

 

[ShoutB]

India was not in state of war when NLI fired a stinger Missile on IAF. Pakistan fired it after intruding.
And 2 months after that, Pakistan surrendered in Kargil. You should post complete story.

Moral boosting is good, but with complete facts!

 

[Tipu7]

Let's see . Pakistani Intruders (NLI officers and jawans included) sneak into positions evacuated for the winter. (great bravery shown there btw)
Indian Soldiers charge uphil to recapture those posts
Not only do they capture all but one of those posts, but your army rejects to accept the bodies of your own brave soldiers,
Indian Army and Indian Airforce Pounds those positions day and night all your forces sit as mute spectators letting them being slaughtered by Arty and Air raids.

Sure if this is victory for you I would wish hundreds of such victories for you.
For me this was a disappointing end, Indian forces could have done the same when Pakistanis launched Op Gibraltar.

Some facts for you:

Propaganda to defame Mushi policies and bring down his government.
If you are minding "truth" from media, then God bless your research .......
Have seat with veterans of your side who were on mission to map and point out locations of intruders...... those who clashed first......
On Indian side, few should be alive by now, as most died in mountains.......

 

[ShoutB]

I do wish our soldiers carried cameras with them........
And took snaps as proof of their claims about death toll of Indian soldiers.

Like

The day when there was shortage of wood for making coffins for Indian soldiers..
The day when Indian soldiers bodies piled up at the bottom after rolling for 100 meters from mountain.
Like when vouchers were having free treat on decaying bodies of Indian soldiers.
Like when dead bodies of Indian soldiers were used as a trap to attract more prey.
Like when Indian soldiers blew up by weapons which were once carried by their fellow units who climbed the mountains before them.
Like when Pakistanis were loading Indian weapons as their own weapons were dried up after killing the enemies.

No one bring the facts about ruthless slaughter of Indian military when they were sending units after units to pin point the locations of intruders and no one was coming back......

Kargil we knew today is only about that war which was covered by media........

Otherwise it's fun to discuss war with those veteran who intruded Indian territory first time.........

It may be fun for you, but people and daughters and son who lost their papa/abu is not fun for them.

It was a blunder done by Musharraf, no doubt. Pakistan did not achieve it's target and was unneccesary provoking the sleeping giant which led to the surrender of Pakistan Army in the Vadiya of Kashmir and win for India.

 

[Jamwal's]

The day when Indian soldiers bodies piled up at the bottom after rolling for 100 meters from mountain.

Really which Peak was it and which sector ?

As i said always speak with facts, here is the real war reporting from 1999 from Jubar Heights

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The final assault, and the withdrawal
As Pakistan retreats from its Kargil misadventure, India's spectacular military successes against the odds could turn into an uncertain political victory.

PRAVEEN SWAMI
in Batalik



A MACABRE graveyard marked the summit of the majestic Jubbar heights. More than 30 bodies of Pakistani troops and irregulars had been dumped in shallow graves on the 4,924-metre peak by a retreating unit. With just a few stones to cover them, the bodies had decomposed beyond recognition. The summit was enveloped in an indescribable miasma of death. On reaching the Jubbar summit, the first thing the Indian soldiers did was to ask for disinfecting and deodorising chemicals to be sent up as fast as possible, rather than celebrate its recapture. There was no joy at the sight of rotting bodies. "While a man is firing at you, he is your enemy. A dead man is nobody's enemy," said one officer involved in the assault.


rest of the article


http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1615/16150040.htm



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Some facts regarding pt 5353, pak always mentioned this peak while forgetting majority of the battle was on 100s of other peaks which India recaptured.

Its situated over the LOC not inside India - Fact

Indian military failed to captured it - fact

Its was one of many peaks which India captured in 1971 from Pak - Fact


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that is, the Pakistani troops on Point 5353 had been given the chance. Indian soldiers on three posts, namely Point 5165, Point 5240 and Point 5100, guided their superior 155-millimetre Bofors howitzers with devastating accuracy. Pakistani troops on Point 5353 were first hit with smoke-filled mortar shells, to flush them out of their bunkers, and then with air-burst artillery, which showered down shards of metal at great speed. Well over 40 Pakistanis are believed to have died on Point 5353. Pakistan could not reinforce the troops since the Indian soldiers on Point 5165 and Point 5240 were in a position to hit their supply lines.

http://www.thehindu.com/2004/03/10/stories/2004031001731200.htm