OIC – 40 years of failure

[EjazR]

you say India or Indians dont want to join OIC then why again and again give a weak basis for trying to force down the notion that you should be given membership as you said again

I still fail to See why India would want to Join OIC? any solid reason instead of claiming to join for Indian Muslims, as that is a weak statement.

And Are you saying isnt all those deprived Indian Muslims, thinking as Indian ?

No what I'm saying is that the only reason that India was not allowed to join OIC was on Pakistan's insistence which was just plain old dirty politics. Nothing moral about it and any other reasons doesn't hold water. Nothing wrong with that really. Like I said, as it is now, there is no use of joining OIC.

Yes there are deprived muslims, just as there are many many deprived non-muslim Indians. They all have a stake in India and the situation for all of them has to improve. It all depends on the Indian people though because they choose who their rulers are. And hence, they define what India is.

 

[Spring Onion]

No what I'm saying is that the only reason that India was not allowed to join OIC was on Pakistan's insistence which was just plain old dirty politics. Nothing moral about it and any other reasons doesn't hold water. Nothing wrong with that really. Like I said, as it is now, there is no use of joining OIC.

Yes there are deprived muslims, just as there are many many deprived non-muslim Indians. They all have a stake in India and the situation for all of them has to improve. It all depends on the Indian people though because they choose who their rulers are. And hence, they define what India is.

1. You want to in to damage Pakistan through different channels and its one of those channels to join OIC.

2. We want you Out because we dont want your Old dirty Politics against Pakistan simple as that .


3. And there is no moral ground for accusing Pakistan of playing Old Dirty politics when is Playing far older and far Dirtier politics against Pakistan, be it its undue crying over aid to Pakistan by any country, or our weapon purchase or any diplomatic front, India even played the most dirty politics viz viz damaging sports in Pakistan.


So please dont talk about morality.

And as far as non-Muslim Indians being deprived well i dont want to talk about it as it would be off topic so just one line they are deprived because they are deprived by their own religion by dividing humanity into casts .

 

[niaz]

OIC is a toothless organization and not worth the expense.
Because despite all the rhetoric, when it comes down to the crunch, nationalism takes precedence over Muslin unity. It is only in the mind of naïve Pakistanis that they claim to be Muslim first and Pakistan comes a distant second.

To back up my statement let me give you actual examples.

Most North African Islamic countries give priority to the Arab origin. Concept of Arab nationalism was promoted by Nasser of Eqypt mainly to further Egyptian leadership of the Arab world.

Arab Gulf countries only care about GCC countries which exclude Iran despite the fact that Iran is the largest country of the area and Persian Gulf changed to Arab Gulf only after Arabs discovered oil. All Arab countries sided with Saddam Hussein against Iran even though it was Iraq who attacked Iran in the first place; so much for the regard of Islam.

UAE and Kuwait employ three times more Indians than Pakistanis or Bangal Deshis. It is not only the rulers, attitude of superiority over Pakistanis and preference for Arabs permeates to all levels of the society in the Arab Lands. My own company asked me to look for an Arab replacement for my position when I advised my intention to retire at the end of 2009. These people are Saudis from Jeddah who perform Hajj every year.

I am yet to find out which Muslim country will allow Pakistani passport holders to enter their country without a visa. UAE exempts 34 countries but Pakistan is not among the list.

This disregard of Muslim identity is not a recent phenomenon; Muslim Arabs including Wahabis sided with the English and fought Muslim Ottoman Khalifa in the 1914 war. Arabs called new Iranian converts ‘Ajamis’ even during early Islamic period. Nasser supported India in 1965 war.

Our so called brother Iran is no better; there is as much love of India in Iran as it is among the Arab countries.

Malaysia openly sided with India in 1971 which resulted in Pakistan severing diplomatic relation with Malaysia in 1972. Indonesia was a friend of Pakistan during Sukarno time but not anymore.

Turks do have a soft spot for Pakistan, but Turks think themselves as Turks first, Europeans second and Islam takes a back seat. Despite several attempts, trade between Iran Pakistan and Turkey is at an abysmally low level. We have very little in common with black African members of the OIC.

Pray tell me, how can OIC amount to anything.

 

[Omar1984]

Because India has third largest muslim population on earth.

India also has 80% Hindu population. Theres more than 900 million Hindus in India out of 1 billion + population. Muslims make only 13.5% of India's population. India is not even close to becoming a Muslim majority country.

 

[Omar1984]

What needs to be done is first have closer relations with regional Muslim majority countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Central Asian Countries, East Asian Muslim majority countries, Iran, Turkey working closer with each other.

Arab countries working closer with each other. African Muslim majority countries working closer with each other.

Once smaller organizations are a success like ECO, Arab Union, African Union, etc then larger organizations like OIC can become a success.

 

[PeaceForAll]

1. You want to in to damage Pakistan through different channels and its one of those channels to join OIC.
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So the third largest muslim population does not get aright to have a say in OIC because they are proud "indians"

or

The 3rd largest Muslim population does not get a say in OIC because PAk is worried about its image getting maligned against so many muslims not getting to be part of OIC and hence contact with muslims of the rest of the world!!

2. We want you Out because we dont want your Old dirty Politics against Pakistan simple as that .


3. And there is no moral ground for accusing Pakistan of playing Old Dirty politics when is Playing far older and far Dirtier politics against Pakistan, be it its undue crying over aid to Pakistan by any country, or our weapon purchase or any diplomatic front, India even played the most dirty politics viz viz damaging sports in Pakistan.
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Hows that related to 138,188,240 Muslims not getting representation in OIC which is supposed to be - for muslims right???

And as far as non-Muslim Indians being deprived well i dont want to talk about it as it would be off topic so just one line they are deprived because they are deprived by their own religion by dividing humanity into casts .

The topic was about OIC and why Muslims in india do not get representation - "dirty politics of India over Pakistan over aid, US relationships etc etc have few things in common with why 138,188,240 Muslims are not getting their share of partnership with rest of muslims of the world.. are they not muslims?

 

[Omar1984]

Hows that related to 138,188,240 Muslims not getting representation in OIC which is supposed to be - for muslims right???

Whenever there is anything concerning India, you cant ignore the Hindus, who make majority of India's population (more than 80&#37.

India's Muslim population is only 13.5%, its no where near to becoming a Muslim majority country.

If we allow India into OIC, the 900 million plus Hindu population will also be included in the Islamic organization then it wont be an Islamic organization anymore because there'll be as much Hindus (if not more) than Muslims in the organization.

 

[PeaceForAll]

Whenever there is anything concerning India, you cant ignore the Hindus, who make majority of India's population (more than 80%).

India's Muslim population is only 13.5%, its no where near to becoming a Muslim majority country.

If we allow India into OIC, the 900 million plus Hindu population will also be included in the Islamic organization then it wont be an Islamic organization anymore because there'll be as much Hindus (if not more) than Muslims in the organization.

One of the members of OIC

republic of Uganda : Roman Catholic 41.9%, Anglican 35.9%, Pentecostal 4.6%, Seventh Day Adventist 1.5%, Muslim 12.1%, Other 3.1%, None 0.9% (2002 census)
link : Demographics of Uganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Omar1984]

One of the members of OIC

republic of Uganda : Roman Catholic 41.9%, Anglican 35.9%, Pentecostal 4.6%, Seventh Day Adventist 1.5%, Muslim 12.1%, Other 3.1%, None 0.9% (2002 census)
link : Demographics of Uganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uganda's total population is only about 30 million. India's Hindu population is more than all the OIC member states' populations combined.

Also Uganda doesn't have conflicts with other Muslim countries.

The rules of the OIC states that an aspirant should not have an ongoing conflict with a member state.
Pakistan is a member state and is the 2nd largest Muslim country in the world.

 

[irfan1173]

AoA
Niaz sir good post. Nationalism over Muslim brotherhood is the right thing to do. We are no different. We made a U turn on taliban for national interest.We talk about Palestinians not because of any love for them but just to be in good books of our Arab masters. Are we ready to support Ujgurs Muslims in china? No as national interests takes precedence over Muslim unity. Don't expect any different from other nations.

 

[Developereo]

nationalism takes precedence over Muslin unity

It's even worse than that.
Arab Muslims are massacring black Muslims in Darfur.

UAE and Kuwait employ three times more Indians than Pakistanis or Bangal Deshis.

Meanwhile the Palestinian unemployment rate is between 25% to 35%

It is not only the rulers, attitude of superiority over Pakistanis and preference for Arabs permeates to all levels of the society in the Arab Lands.

Most Arab countries honored the Israeli/Western plan to boycott Hamas and starve the Palestinian population. Only Iran defied the Western "orders".

Iran became exceedingly friendly towards India after Zia sold Pakistan to the Saudis and turned Pakistan into one big Saudi madrassa.

 

[garibnawaz]

Garibnawaz....

None of these countries u mentioned above are involved in killing of Muslims and occupying their land…..that is why India is not in OIC.....

The rules of the OIC states that an aspirant should not have an ongoing conflict with a member state.

Iran-Iraq war.

Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.

Iranian dispute with Baharian and UAE.

Black September - Jordan V/S Palestine lead by Zia Ul Haq (then a brigadier).

Uzbek-Tajik dispute

JANA, she is a journalist by profession,

Zaid Hamid must be an international editor of her newspaper then.

& she is nasty! she will break down , your argumet step by step, & at some point

That is yet to happen. All i have seen is propaganda. Calling Russian LMG's as Indian BREN LMG's and shouting ohh look Indian arms in Pakistan, Indian Arms in Pakistan.

GB

 

[garibnawaz]

India also has 80% Hindu population. Theres more than 900 million Hindus in India out of 1 billion + population. Muslims make only 13.5% of India's population. India is not even close to becoming a Muslim majority country.

Russia an observer state of OIC do you know their census?

Based on self-identification data, the population of Russia includes 70.2% of Russian Orthodox Christians, a little more than 1% of Protestants (including 0.3% of Lutherans), a little less than 1% of Roman Catholics and some 0.1% of Old Believers. About 0.1% of the population are adherents of Buddhism. A Russian census of 2002 found 230 thousand (0.16%) ethnic Jews in the country, but only 8% of them, which is 0.01% of the total population) self-identify as followers of Judaism. 4-6% are Muslim. Small religions in Russia comprise 0.19%. 4% of the population identified themselves as non-believers.

India is not even close to becoming a Muslim majority country.

I have given the example of OIC states where muslims are minority. Guyana an OIC member also has more hindus than muslims. So your argument is invalid.

According to the 2002 Census, Guyana's religions breakdown is 57% Christian (of which 16.9% Pentecostal, 8.1% Roman Catholic, 6.9% Anglican, 5% Seventh-day Adventist and 20% other Christian denominations), 23.4% Hindu, 7.3% Muslim, 0.5% Rastafarian, 0.1% Bahá'í, 2.2% other faiths including Judaism, and 4.3% no religion.

GB

 

[R.A.W.]

Whenever there is anything concerning India, you cant ignore the Hindus, who make majority of India's population (more than 80%).

India's Muslim population is only 13.5%, its no where near to becoming a Muslim majority country.

If we allow India into OIC, the 900 million plus Hindu population will also be included in the Islamic organization then it wont be an Islamic organization anymore because there'll be as much Hindus (if not more) than Muslims in the organization.

so what is the point? what matters more presence of hindus or the absence of muslims. I think the organization is meant for upliftment of muslims not for opposition to other religions. So the matter of fact is including India would invite the huge amount of muslim population to be the part of the diverse muslim lands. I dont think that the organization has the agenda for working for non muslims so they can work for the muslims based in India. Who asked them to work for the hindus or anyone else.

 

[A.Rahman]

Orgnisations based on religious beliefs seldom last / work.

Economic & social platforms retain relevance even with time.

40 years does not reverses 400 years of colonization, rape of wealth, and brainwashing that destroyed their identity.