Özgür-Der declared war on Republic of Turkey

[OguzSenturk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/895039992430460929

https://twitter.com/x/status/895047441510256641

Islamo-Kurdism, a new level of Fascism

 

[Zhukov]

Turkish State should neutralise these islamist/Pan-Kurdist bastards before they start something stupid and hurt our police officers who fight against PKK scum in south-east.

I thought Kurds were leftist Liberals arent they?

Turkish State should neutralise these islamist/Pan-Kurdist bastards before they start something stupid and hurt our police officers who fight against PKK scum in south-east.

I thought Kurds were leftist Liberals arent they?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

I thought Kurds were leftist Liberals arent they?

In the West they put on the mask of ''Liberalism&Democrat'' with victim faces, in The East They wear the mask of Racism&Facism with heavy guns.

By these categories, I assume you live in the west or follow the western media.

 

[Zhukov]

In the West they put on the mask of ''Liberalism&Democrat'' with victim faces, in The East They wear the mask of Racism&Facism with heavy guns.

By these categories, I assume you live in the west or follow the western media.

Nope i live in Pakistan and whatever information i have about Kurds is the Statements of Kurds on International Media Outlets. And they always claim to be Seculars with Equal rights for women i.e Women Brigades in Rojava Etc.
What they are actually like in ground how can i tell. Turks Syrians and Iraqis might have better knowledge.

 

[OguzSenturk]

PKK was leftist Liberals arent they?

And pigs can fly ahahahah

PKK always was, and still is, Pan-Kurdist neo-NAZI racist terror organisation which has no differences than Hitler's NAZI State

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Nope i live in Pakistan and whatever information i have about Kurds is the Statements of Kurds on International Media Outlets. And they always claim to be Seculars with Equal rights for women i.e Women Brigades in Rojava Etc.
What they are actually like in ground how can i tell. Turks Syrians and Iraqis might have better knowledge.

Will you please guess who else uses the same rhetoric in the West and kills people ''mistakenly'' in the East?

 

[SouI]

I always thought that the Kurdish insurgency and separatism was heavily influenced by Marxist thought, when did it become "Islamist"?

Islamism is a communist ideology that seeks a "wealth tax".

 

[Pakistani E]

Islamism is a communist ideology that seeks a "wealth tax".

"Islamism" itself isn't one ideology, so I am not sure what you mean there. For example, while a Communist would demand sweeping land reforms and redistribution of it, in Pakistan, the so called "Islamists" were the biggest enemies of it and gave fatwas stating that this was unIslamic because apparently, land given by the British Empire to their favourites was their property and in Islam, it is not permissible for the state to takeover property of the citizen and give it to someone else.

 

[SouI]

For example, while a Communist would demand sweeping land reforms and redistribution of it, in Pakistan, the so called "Islamists" were the biggest enemies of it and gave fatwas stating that this was unIslamic because apparently, land given by the British Empire to their favourites was their property and in Islam, it is not permissible for the state to takeover property of the citizen and give it to someone else.

That is what USA tries to use Islam as (for which I am very grateful), but Islam in reality is communist and seeks a mandatory wealth tax for everyone, which is a more socialist policy than today's socialists, and thus very dangerous.

 

[Dai Toruko]

 

[Pakistani E]

That is what USA tries to use Islam as (for which I am very grateful), but Islam in reality is communist and seeks a mandatory wealth tax for everyone, which is a more socialist policy than today's socialists, and thus very dangerous.

Islam does not demand that there should be a radical distribution of money, land etc like the Communist system. Islam respect the right to private property and does not necessarily require the means of production to be in the hands of the state.

The obligations of state is to ensure peace, security and well-being of its citizenship, i.e. through a welfare system. Taxes are mandatory for any state to work, even if we forget about a state at this point in time and instead look at an organisation. Even for an organisation, it requires funds etc to organise activities relating to the organisation, which it levies on it's members. In the same way, an Islamic system mandates that there be a tax for people, with the wealthiest paying out more, as they have the most disposable income.

I am not quite sure what your issue is with this, in most western democracies in Europe, it is a similar tax system that has given the citizens of these countries one of the best living standards anywhere.

In conclusion, the economic system of Islam itself however, requires a specific governance environment for it work effectively, without which one cannot truly implement the economic system, these are:

Advocating a system of representative government, with the capability of candidate as the fundamental criterion for election (Surah an-Nisa’, 4:59)
Defines authority as a trust, not a right.
Declares that the basic goal of government must be to protect honour, life and property of citizens.
Enjoins the rulers to judge amongst individuals and communities with absolute justice and impartiality, reminding them that they are ultimately answerable before God.

(The last five points are taken from here: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Economic-System-of-Islam.pdf)

Nothing like Communism.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

"Islamism" itself isn't one ideology, so I am not sure what you mean there. For example, while a Communist would demand sweeping land reforms and redistribution of it, in Pakistan, the so called "Islamists" were the biggest enemies of it and gave fatwas stating that this was unIslamic because apparently, land given by the British Empire to their favourites was their property and in Islam, it is not permissible for the state to takeover property of the citizen and give it to someone else.

I think the core point is figured out in the very last posts here.

The Islam is a religion for muslims, but a tool for the ''west'' on the paper and their ally Islam abusers(some call ''Islamists'') on the ground, therefore is violance/backwardness for non-muslims.

 

[SouI]

Islam does not demand that there should be a radical distribution of money, land etc like the Communist system. Islam respect the right to private property and does not necessarily require the means of production to be in the hands of the state.

The obligations of state is to ensure peace, security and well-being of its citizenship, i.e. through a welfare system. Taxes are mandatory for any state to work, even if we forget about a state at this point in time and instead look at an organisation. Even for an organisation, it requires funds etc to organise activities relating to the organisation, which it levies on it's members. In the same way, an Islamic system mandates that there be a tax for people, with the wealthiest paying out more, as they have the most disposable income.

I am not quite sure what your issue is with this, in most western democracies in Europe, it is a similar tax system that has given the citizens of these countries one of the best living standards anywhere.

In conclusion, the economic system of Islam itself however, requires a specific governance environment for it work effectively, without which one cannot truly implement the economic system, these are:

Advocating a system of representative government, with the capability of candidate as the fundamental criterion for election (Surah an-Nisa’, 4:59)
Defines authority as a trust, not a right.
Declares that the basic goal of government must be to protect honour, life and property of citizens.
Enjoins the rulers to judge amongst individuals and communities with absolute justice and impartiality, reminding them that they are ultimately answerable before God.

(The last five points are taken from here: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Economic-System-of-Islam.pdf)

Nothing like Communism.

mandatory wealth tax

wealth tax

wealth

We are not talking about a welfare system or progressive taxation..

 

[Pakistani E]

I think the core point is figured out in the very last posts here.

The Islam is a religion for muslims, but a tool for the ''west'' on the paper and their ally Islam abusers(some call ''Islamists'') on the ground, therefore is violance/backwardness for non-muslims.

He's saying something else:

We are not talking about a welfare system or progressive taxation..

Okay, got it. Your issue is with the tax system in Islam.

 

[SouI]

Okay, got it. Your issue is with the tax system in Islam.

Everyone should have an issue with taxing "wealth" regardless which ideology it comes from.....

Taxing wealth is communist whereever you look at it from.