Observation regarding ISI Chief

[Rank]

What's the point of such threads

the reason of this thread is very simple where is ISI chief in such important event.

 

[Jango]

3. ISI is not CIA, RAW or MI6.

Would you agree with me that there is no organization (major one) which is at parallel to ISI in terms of the diversity in it's operations?

I am not saying ISI is the best or anything, just noting that in other nations, it's mostly different agencies for different jobs, but in Pakistan it's the ISI which is sort of at the forefront of everything.

Britain has MI5, MI6 and GVHQ, US has CIA, NSA and you could include FBI perhaps internally...

 

[Rank]

but Sir, don't you think that it has fairly become easier to spot an officer / operator on duty these days especially on airports, one with bit of common sense can easily spot them

a person with walky tookie.. bacha b kahdeta hey ISI walay hain hahahha here in Pakistan

 

[Amaa'n]

Sir good explanation by the what's your opinion in AK-12 ?

zarvan, as we say in our urdu...Yeh har jaga AK-2 ki ungli karna zaroori hai?

 

[Rank]

Would you agree with me that there is no organization (major one) which is at parallel to ISI in terms of the diversity in it's operations?

I am not saying ISI is the best or anything, just noting that in other nations, it's mostly different agencies for different jobs, but in Pakistan it's the ISI which is sort of at the forefront of everything.

Britain has MI5, MI6 and GVHQ, US has CIA, NSA and you could include FBI perhaps internally...

FBI is for internal like we have CIA, IB and FIA etc..... CIA is core... like ISI

 

[Icarus]

Overall about the Gun and its features and How good it is when compared to other Guns of same category ?

Yaar its a relatively newer version of the AK-74 and AK 101, I haven't used it so I can't say for sure about this particular model but since the older models were good and its essentially the same thing, I'd say will probably be a good smg.

 

[Rank]

a completely wrong observation, ISI is independent of Directorate of Military Intelligence , not its Branch or extension or wing.....
as said above its not Armed Force but same as other Services, operates under the umbrella of MoD....... tasked with External intelligence.....DMI is completely different....
BTW these days all organizations from Nescom to Suparco to AWC have established their own Intelligence Wings independent of ISI or MI, and Field staff is mostly civilians

if its independent why Military appoint DG Ranger to DG ISI ? (DG ranger role is under army). Why military officers working in ISI if its completely independent ?

@Icarus

 

[Icarus]

FBI is for internal like we have CIA and FIA etc..... CIA is core... like ISI

ISI very well manages the internal affairs too. FIA is weak, IB is a budding solution to local intelligence gathering though.

 

[Zarvan]

zarvan, as we say in our urdu...Yeh har jaga AK-2 ki ungli karna zaroori hai?

No Sir but kia karay my craze for weapons specially used or may be used by Pakistani Armed Forces has turned me a little crazy so can do nothing about it

 

[Amaa'n]

a person with walky tookie.. bacha b kahdeta hey ISI walay hain hahahha here in Pakistan

nope, I am not talking about those folks, these guys are completely covert, no walkie talkie, pistol or white shalwar kameez...i rather not say further......

 

[Zarvan]

ISI very well manages the internal affairs too. FIA is weak, IB is a budding solution to local intelligence gathering though.

Budget is the issue otherwise IB and FIA needs a overhaul and IB should be handed over terrorism and FIA should deal with corruption and fraud and smuggling of all kinds

 

[Icarus]

Would you agree with me that there is no organization (major one) which is at parallel to ISI in terms of the diversity in it's operations?

I am not saying ISI is the best or anything, just noting that in other nations, it's mostly different agencies for different jobs, but in Pakistan it's the ISI which is sort of at the forefront of everything.

Britain has MI5, MI6 and GVHQ, US has CIA, NSA and you could include FBI perhaps internally...

I would say that's true, the role and responsibilities of the ISI cover such an enormous gamut of national security that it indeed has no parallel. Its no surprise that the ISI is reputed to be the largest intelligence service by manpower.

Budget is the issue otherwise IB and FIA needs a overhaul and IB should be handed over terrorism and FIA should deal with corruption and fraud and smuggling of all kinds

A lot of things 'should' happen but that doesn't always become the case.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

but Sir, don't you think that it has fairly become easier to spot an officer / operator on duty these days especially on airports, one with bit of common sense can easily spot them

They will get spotted where they want to, otherwise only an experienced operator can spot them.
They are pretty good in blending in, believe me.

 

[Icarus]

if its independent why Military appoint DG Ranger to DG ISI ? (DG ranger role is under army). Why military officers working in ISI if its completely independent ?

@Icarus

1. DG Rangers actually reports to the Ministry of Interior, not to the Ministry of Defence.
2. There is no link between the DG Rangers being posted as the DG ISI, it is not a matter of precedent.
3. It is "Inter Services" Intelligence. It has members from all defence services, not just army, in addition to a civilian cadre.

 

[Rank]

I would say that's true, the role and responsibilities of the ISI cover such an enormous gamut of national security that it indeed has no parallel. Its no surprise that the ISI is reputed to be the largest intelligence service by manpower.

A lot of things 'should' happen but that doesn't always become the case.

Listen this what CIA official said who work with the ISI for more than 3 decades + 30 years- Its part of the military (Pakistani Army) but work beyond the contro......

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