NYT Report is Direct Attack, Pak Army Spokesman.

[Solomon2]

The neutralization of Ramzi Yousuf, KSM, Libbi and...what is clear is that the US lied and deceived the world over WMD's in Iraq -

Are you responding to my points or merely ignoring them and choosing to repeat yourself?

...your British analogy falls apart given the 140,000 troops redeployed from the Eastern front to the Western one -

Troops that the P.A. apparently has no intention of throwing into battle in North Wazirstan, is that not so?

 

[53fd]

Unfortunately, the NYT & the Washington Post have forgotten what honest journalism is. Quoting 'unknown' officials/sources, brandishing fake stories, refusing to report things despite knowing the true facts (for e.g: the CIA/Blackwater identity of Raymond Davis), doing the dirty work of the CIA, they are nothing but mouthpieces of the CIA & the US Administration. They are not honest media outlets.

 

[53fd]

When the NYT & Washington Post refused to report the truth (despite knowing it) on Raymond Davis on the orders of the US Administration, you can pretty much tell they are being controlled by them, & they do not promote honest journalism. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[53fd]

To read how the US mainstream media is controlled by the CIA, please read Carl Bernstein's (former Washington Post reporter) piece in the Rolling Stone.

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

 

[newdelhinsa]

When the NYT/US Establishment can actually provide credible evidence to support its inane claims, then and only then can their claims not be considered a smear campaign/propaganda against the ISI/PA, at the behest of the US Establishment.

So long as all we have is the US media regurgitating the statements of US officials, without independent verification, without credible evidence and without giving equal weight to the opposing POV, my position is completely valid.

Its not NYT's job to provide the evidence/investigate, Its Pakistan's free and fare agencie's; if there is any. Their job is to protest and that they are doing it well. Pakistanis are trying to make this issue as state vs state but it is not.

 

[Solomon2]

To read how the US mainstream media is controlled by the CIA, please read Carl Bernstein's (former Washington Post reporter) piece in the Rolling Stone. Carl Bernstein

Thanks for the link, but the story is out of date. The Church Committee reforms of the late 1970s eviscerated such from the CIA's domestic operations and left no room for any other federal government organization to take up the slack.

 

[DarK-LorD]

‘New York Times’, the ISI and Pakistan.
C. Raja Mohan
Posted: Mon Jul 11 2011, 13:01 hrs

Pakistan Army’s savvy spokesman, Maj.Gen. Athar Abbas could no longer hold back. Over the weekend he lashed out at the ‘New York Times’ for its recent reports on the Inter Services Intelligence directorate.

Gen. Abbas termed the 'Times' reports as a "direct attack on our security organisation and intelligence agencies". "We consider ISI as a strategic intelligence organisation, the first line of our defence", he declared.

He called the 'Times' reporting "quoting unnamed officials, anonymous sources, is part of a design to undermine the authority and the power of the organisation in order to weaken the state."

Among the series of its stories in the newspaper on Pakistan in the last few days was one which said that the US officials were convinced that the ISI was involved in the torture and killing of the Karachi-based journalist, Syed Saleem Shahzad at the end of May.


Shahzad's reporting on the penetration of the Pak armed forces by the extremist groups, including the al Qaeda, embarrassed the military establishment in Rawalpindi.

Quoting former militant commanders, the 'Times' had also reported that the ISI trains and nurtures extremist groups to pursue the Army's strategic objectives in India and Afghanistan.

Last week, the Times had reported on the nuclear proliferation links between the Pak army and North Korea. Few in India have problems believing the newspaper’s reports on the ISI; many in Pakistan are acutely aware of the ISI

s brutalizing power at home and the agency’s external adventurism.

For Washington, which actively worked with the ISI in Afghanistan, both during the 1980s and since 2001, the reported excesses of the ISI are certainly not news. The US, more than any other nation, has a deep sense of the ISI’s historical evolution and its manipulation of domestic politics and its export of terror.

What is significant then is not what the 'Times' is reporting, but the fact that Washington has chosen to put out information incriminating the Pak army and the ISI. No wonder then the Pak Army has reacted sharply.

In India, we must see the stories in the US media as part of a US strategy to press Pakistan to act against terror groups operating in Afghanistan. The stories also reflect Washington’s frustration at the US inability to compel the Pakistan army to act.

Delhi might get a better sense of the contestation between Washington and Rawalpindi this month as it prepares to host US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the next round of the strategic dialogue and the Pakistan foreign secretary and foreign minister for a review of the current round of the peace process.

‘New York Times’, the ISI and Pakistan - Indian Express

 

[v9s]

Its not NYT's job to provide the evidence/investigate, Its Pakistan's free and fare agencie's; if there is any. Their job is to protest and that they are doing it well. Pakistanis are trying to make this issue as state vs state but it is not.

Are you dense?

Burden of proof always lies with the person who lays the charges.

 

[khurasaan1]

So this means that our Newspapers shold also start attacking/blaming the CIA and the other agencies of US for terrorism/killings stuff going on there in US......

 

[Juice]

So this means that our Newspapers shold also start attacking/blaming the CIA and the other agencies of US for terrorism/killings stuff going on there in US......

You mean all the bomb blast going off in US markets and Mosque? Oh...wait...that's not us...

 

[VCheng]

So this means that our Newspapers shold also start attacking/blaming the CIA and the other agencies of US for terrorism/killings stuff going on there in US......

Well, they are already blamed for troubles all over the world, so why not domestically too, along the lines of the 9/11 conspiracy theories?

 

[Vassnti]

Are you serious? I usually respect your input, but you do realize that you are trying to justify speculation and propaganda in the NYT by resorting to another source that references the very same 'NYT Article', and offers absolutely no more independent confirmation or evidence of the NYT claims.

This is exactly what 'repeat a lie enough and even a lie becomes the truth' refers to ...

I respect your point.
Perhaps i should have chosen an article from another journalist or one with out reference to the NYT article. The reason i quoted Mehmal Sarfraz's article is although she does base half of her report on the NYT article she give the perspective of a Pakistani journalist of the dangers.

A pity Jana is not about of late perhaps she would be the person most qualified to coment.