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[Jf Thunder]

This is the rather usual flawed argument made by most Indians. Pakistan is the play of a total of twenty well placed nukes; and Pakistan will be finished. Which is why if it was for only Pakistan India needs only 30 warheads. However, India requires a lot more nukes and Pakistan HAS a lot more nukes and the means to ensure that 80% of them hit their targets. Targets which include every Indian city with a population over 100000, Almost all military targets.. Certain Dams(to destroy the Indian ecology)..and still keep a few in reserve hidden in the middle of some desert which India cannot get to.

See, a nuclear war IS the end for Pakistan(and most Pakistanis.. of which the ones in cities are totally done for.. say a 100 to a 120 million dead in the first week).. but what awaits India is a MUCH worse nightmare of 400 million instantly dead.. with others joining in as the radiation spreads.. and infects wildlife.. fauna.. flora.. all over. And the nukes will not stop after the first wave.. others will keep coming.. say one every other day as the tens of warheads kept in reserve get launched on and off.
So for all the glee of many Indians.... India will not "win" a nuclear war.. it will much more than Pakistan.. the India that will survive will not be worth or possible to live in anymore.

wow you really know how to scare the sh** out of someone

 

[Rahil khan]

Being an Indian, it is eye opening to read these postings. I am amazed that the main goal of existence of Pakistan is to nuke India! Where all these hatred coming from?? Islam! If it is about Kashmir, Pakistan will never get an inch of Kashmir with or without Nuclear war.

So you can't hide your amazement and decided to be a member on PDF....but for your eyes to be properly washed out you need to read whole 10 years of old threads i guess.... Who wants a nuclear war in this era ?? But when it comes to the point of whether one can "afford" the war with the enemy or not.....ohh yeahh...the one's who can build it can also "afford" it pretty well. Regarding taking out any single inch of Kashmir...we already have Azad Kashmir...So just go and watch Pogo please.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

The figure of 110 is very old and 200 is also an out dated figure. We might have atleast 500 by now or may be more than that.

why not 5000
best estimate is still 150-200

 

[Gandhara]

Because the 30 or so nukes will enough to render any sustainable Pakistan leadership irrelevant.
There is a storage area in the form of a camouflaged truck that moves between every 200km gridline onto various launch and concealments spots.. how will that be taken out?

If every Indian city with 100k are taken out and every dam should be taken out by pakistan why will India will be kind enough to send the nukes for making pakistani leadership irrelevant?

so India has around 520 cities above 100000 (2011 census) and say 100 dams so this is around 600 nukes so if Pakistan sends 600 nukes why will not India send whatever nukes we have say 200 to 1000 may be ?

 

[The Deterrent]

so India has around 520 cities above 100000 (2011 census) and say 100 dams so this is around 600 nukes so if Pakistan sends 600 nukes why will not India send whatever nukes we have say 200 to 1000 may be ?

As French President de Gaulle said about a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia:
"Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does not light-heartedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French."

The point is, the amount of destruction India can bring onto Pakistan is simply lesser than what Pakistan can bring onto India (in terms of causalities). So it doesn't matters if India detonates 100 or 1000 nukes on Pakistani soil.

 

[rockstar08]

lets cool down things bit too many nukes blown on each other

 

[Gandhara]

As French President de Gaulle said about a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia:
"Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does not light-heartedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French."

The point is, the amount of destruction India can bring onto Pakistan is simply lesser than what Pakistan can bring onto India (in terms of causalities). So it doesn't matters if India detonates 100 or 1000 nukes on Pakistani soil.

Can you please explain how Pakistan will bring more destruction onto India and India can not bring that many on Pakistan scientifically and also we must not shy away from these questions on military forum and dont go with rhetorics.

Suppose according to @Oscar pakistan will nuke every Indian city with 100000 people and take all dams say 100 so the rough figure comes around 600+ nukes, this will leave much of North East though as North East has one off towns with population of 100000 and above.
Now in reply if same number of Nukes are used on Pakistan say 600 with mostly higher Kilotonnes as Agnis can take heavier warheads. how will there be less destruction brought on pakistan when even very less densely populated areas will be nukes, as I checked pakistan has around only 60 odd cities will population of 100000? So even 10000 population towns/villages will be hit.

 

[SQ8]

If every Indian city with 100k are taken out and every dam should be taken out by pakistan why will India will be kind enough to send the nukes for making pakistani leadership irrelevant?

so India has around 520 cities above 100000 (2011 census) and say 100 dams so this is around 600 nukes so if Pakistan sends 600 nukes why will not India send whatever nukes we have say 200 to 1000 may be ?

Sure, If the Indian leadership thinks its wants to waste nukes. The leadership will calculate then that they would like to keep some for China in case some sort of India survives that China might want to step in and take over.

 

[SQ8]

Can you please explain how Pakistan will bring more destruction onto India and India can not bring that many on Pakistan scientifically and also we must not shy away from these questions on military forum and dont go with rhetorics.

Suppose according to @Oscar pakistan will nuke every Indian city with 100000 people and take all dams say 100 so the rough figure comes around 600+ nukes, this will leave much of North East though as North East has one off towns with population of 100000 and above.
Now in reply if same number of Nukes are used on Pakistan say 600 with mostly higher Kilotonnes as Agnis can take heavier warheads. how will there be less destruction brought on pakistan when even very less densely populated areas will be nukes, as I checked pakistan has around only 60 odd cities will population of 100000? So even 10000 population towns/villages will be hit.

Again, sure.. like I said .. you can wipe out a 180 million Pakistanis out of a possible 185 million..
But for Pakistan there are over a billion lives to target.. There are simply many more Indians that will die in this...just because there are more Indians than Pakistanis.

 

[Bilal.]

If every Indian city with 100k are taken out and every dam should be taken out by pakistan why will India will be kind enough to send the nukes for making pakistani leadership irrelevant?

so India has around 520 cities above 100000 (2011 census) and say 100 dams so this is around 600 nukes so if Pakistan sends 600 nukes why will not India send whatever nukes we have say 200 to 1000 may be ?

Regional nuclear war could trigger mass starvation - life - 03 October 2007 - New Scientist

This would happen if "only" 100 Hiroshima sized nuclear weapons are used.

 

[Gandhara]

Again, sure.. like I said .. you can wipe out a 180 million Pakistanis out of a possible 185 million..
But for Pakistan there are over a billion lives to target.. There are simply many more Indians that will die in this...just because there are more Indians than Pakistanis.

Why counting in numbers where we should count in %age of population hit, and do you think Indian strategic experts will also nuke rest of Pakistanis in gulf countries?
if we have spare as anyway India after taking 600 nuke hits is a done deal?

 

[Viking 63]

If my memory serves me correct, the last report by US Congress Intelligence committee stated that Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal may cross 400-450 in next 5 years. This was discussed in 2012.

 

[Gandhara]

@bilal
much of it is overhyped, even lethal radiation dose after 1 MT blast only affects around 3 kms, please check the blast area of a 1 MT warhead exploded over optimum 2.4 kms altitude which vaporizes areas of around 10 kms
For finishing up populated area as large as of India totally pakistan needs at least 3000 1 MT warheads and India needs 500 1 Mt warheads to completely nuke every square kilometer of populated pakistani area.

 

[Gandhara]

If my memory serves me correct, the last report by US Congress Intelligence committee stated that Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal may cross 400-450 in next 5 years. This was discussed in 2012.

any idea about India how many nukes would India have in next 5 years and amount of average yield?

 

[The Deterrent]

Why counting in numbers where we should count in %age of population hit, and do you think Indian strategic experts will also nuke rest of Pakistanis in gulf countries?

Human lives deserve whole numbers, not percentages. Ever heard of any "percentage" of people killed in a war?

@bilal
much of it is overhyped, even lethal radiation dose after 1 MT blast only affects around 3 kms, please check the blast area of a 1 MT warhead exploded over optimum 2.4 kms altitude which vaporizes areas of around 10 kms
For finishing up populated area as large as of India totally pakistan needs at least 3000 1 MT warheads and India needs 500 1 Mt warheads to completely nuke every square kilometer of populated pakistani area.

Two things. One is known as a ground impact burst, which kicks up a lot of the second thing, radioactive fallout. With these two things, megatons are not needed to erase populations, kilotons are enough.
It is the after-effects of a nuclear war that will continue to diminish affected populations through radiation, extremely cold temperatures and starvation.