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Nuclear Iran is not in Pakistan’s interest

Iran would not really care about what others think anyway.

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iran will definetly pose a threat to pakistan. in past during zia era, there were certain points when it was thought a actual conflict might happen.
even today iran supports indians rather than pakistan on every issue including kashmir.

what a retard, so the Iranian did not come out in your support about kashmir?
 
Nuclear Iran is not in Pakistan’s interest

Bit late to realize that ain't it?..if it were not in Pakistani interests..then why did Pakistan sell nuclear centrifuges to Iran?

Good post. Its not a realization but a move to pretend that we are siding with rest of the world who doesn't like Iran to have a nuclear weapon program. And the timing is quite good when they desperately need to earn more PR points from them. One must note the contrast in opinion between what GoP is now stating and what ordinary joe is saying.
 
i think now its getting out of everyone hands who should have nukes and who should not...

i think all Muslim countries now need to have nukes as Israel is the biggest issue to the Muslim world peace.

if world cannot stop israel then it does not have any right to stop other nations..

for the greater peace i think every country now should have it, when everyone have it no country will be able to launch big wars against others..

either no one have it or all should have it simple...
 
This article paid and sponsered for by anonymous emarati sheikh as evident by the tone.

There isn't an Iranian controlled air base being used to kill Pakistani tribals by drone strikes.






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Even if Iran did not get centrifuge from pakistan they would had made it themselves, Iran has made some top centrifuges now which are much better than the ones Pakistan has.

With no verification by independent sources neither any information about scientific and technical parameters evaluation!
 
This article paid and sponsered for by anonymous emarati sheikh as evident by the tone.

There isn't an Iranian controlled air base being used to kill Pakistani tribals by drone strikes.










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With no verification by independent sources neither any information about scientific and technical parameters evaluation!

here is a link to their new centrifuge
BBC News - Iran unveils 'faster' uranium centrifuges

It is 6 times faster than other centrifuges.
Also you dont have to believe what i am saying, but just know Iran is one one if the leading countries in nuclear technology.
 
Only because its weak right now. The Persians are smart enough not to take on other nations until they are ready. They can only depend on proxies for now.

Is that why Americans and Israelis are trying to Hit them now before they become stronger:lol::usflag:.
As billal said Iranians haven't fired or attacked any body in last 200 years they are not about to start doing that now for some insane reason they will attack another Muslim Nuclear state.Iranians nukes are threat to no one as long as no one threatens Iran and we all no who is threatening Muslim world font we now.


Shahzeb Shaikha

A Pakistani who believes in nationalism and is pursuing the much-needed field of Security Studies at the University of Pittsburgh. He tweets @SSShaikha


And here is where he gets the job with his future employer and this explains why he wrote what he wrote.

Two members of America’s spy nest, the National Clandestine Service (NCS) of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) visited the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh

CIA employee wrote a blog in Pakistani newspaper against Iran warning us how if we have a neighbor on the west with nukes how bad it is for us .
oh did i mention India is to east of us and also have nukes and last i checked considers Pakistan as its enemy.

People read between the lines before jumping to conclusions you should no who is writing and for what reason this is obviously a divide and rule Bs going on.
 
iran will definitely pose a threat to Pakistan. in past during zia era, there were certain points when it was thought a actual conflict might happen.
even today Iran supports Indians rather than Pakistan on every issue including Kashmir.

Every decent Human being wanted Zia dead and he post the biggest threat to humanity and Pakistan cause of his policies and following house of Saud Pakistan today is paying the price which obviously you are clueless about.
how many shias were killed in Afghanistan alone by ZIA Supprted wahabi Talibans how many Iranians and Pakistani shias were killed in Pakistan by wahabi terrorist supported and protected by Zia yet you have the nerve to point fingures at countries whose people paid the price cause of Zia while totally ignoring the reality in today's Pakistan look around you and that aint cause of Iran.

Even now millions are being funneled To Terrorist in Pakistan and Afghanistan via Saudi Arabia yet Iran is your enemy where does your Loyalty lies with Pakistan or Saudi a.

even today Iran supports Indians rather than Pakistan on every issue including Kashmir.

Please enlighten us the Support given to Pakistan by any Arab state even one and don't print mullah this and mullah that said so and no Terrorist being supported by Arabs in Pakistan doesn't count.

I mean real support Diplomatic or military support against India Saddam voted against Pakistan in Favor of India on Kashmir issues while Zia supported Saddam in war against Iran while and you Zias Lover is telling us Bad Iran Good Arabs really your Arab friends stay way from those votes that can hurt India so go ahead but on the other hand Just recently Kuwait started kicking out Pakistanis and isn't issuing any more visas to Pakistanis but for some strange retarded reasons Some Pakistanis make up stories About The great Arabs that's beyond this world.



Hurriyat Factions Plan Visit To China, Iran
21 November 2010
Rising Kashmir
Ishfaq Ahmad Shah

Srinagar: Encouraged by China and Iran’s recent stand on Kashmir, both factions of Hurriyat Conference are planning to visit the two countries to mobilize their ‘permanent’ diplomatic support towards resolution of the Kashmir issue. As part of the process, the chairmen of the two factions will meet the envoys of the two countries during their scheduled visits to New Delhi in coming days. “A visit to Iran and China will not only strengthen our movement on diplomatic front but will help us to garner more international support for resolution of Kashmir issue. Like Pakistan, we have to garner support from these countries to pressurise India to resolve the Kashmir issue amicably and according to UN resolutions,” Hurriyat (G) chairman Syed Ali Geelani told Rising Kashmir. He said during his planned visit to New Delhi he would be meeting the envoys of China and Iran. “I would meet the ambassadors of the two countries to formulate a proper mechanism for a formal visit,” Geelani said adding, “A permanent support for the implementation of UN resolutions will strengthen our long-pending demand for Right to Self Determination to allow Kashmiris to determine their fate”. He, however, said any visit to these countries will be subject to the issuance of travel documents by the Indian authorities. The Hurriyat (M) chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq also said that his conglomerate is working on diplomatic front for such a visit. “International support for Kashmir is must and we will surely visit these countries whenever such an opportunity comes. We are working on such things and as a first step we would be meeting the envoys of China and Iran during my scheduled visit to Indian capital in the coming weeks,” Mirwaiz said. He said China’s stand on Kashmir has always been encouraging and the recent statement by Iranian spiritual leader on Kashmir is a beginning of support building process on international level for resolution of Kashmir issue. “To garner the support permanently, visits to these countries is necessary and must,” he said. The Hurriyat (M) chairman said the senior conglomerate leader Aga Syed Hassan has been frequently visiting Iran, apprising its leaders about the Kashmir situation and its implications on the peace and stability of the region. He said he has a standing invitation from a Chinese NGO and plans to visit Iran as well in the near future
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The Regional Cooperation for Development (RCD)
A small state has also possibilities for defending its interests against great power in bilateral relationships outside international institutional framework. They can also develop their regional institutions to safeguard their national interests. The Regional Cooperation for Development, a tripartite agreement among Turkey, Iran and Pakistan for non-political cooperation, born in 1964, was one such regional arrangement came largely from Ayoub Khan, the President of Pakistan who was critical of the US acting as a "master" dictating terms against India rather than behaving as a "Friend" .5
The formation of the RCD proved a very useful for the Shah of Iran and Ayoub Khan for winning support to their respective governments at home. The "Liberation" from the US was hailed by the opposition in both countries. Yusuf Khatak, the leader of the opposition in the Pakistan National Assembly called it a "Step in the right direction".6 Similarly another member of the Assembly said that RCD members will be able to "get rid of the curse of CENTO".7 There were certain discordant notes as well, but these were not of much significance as they came from staunch friends of the USA who would not see the demerits of the US friendship.s The reaction to the formation of the RCD in Tehran was also highly favourable. Senate President Jafar Sharif Emami described the Union as a political master stroke, but perhaps emphasizing the non-political content of the Agreement added, "I believe in particular, that there is a good place in the Union for Afghanistan".9

The Majlis speaker Abdullah Riazi commenting on the Union said, "It would contribute to development of the member nations and to the cause of world peace".10 Premier HasanAli Mansur Speaking at Sanaday, the capital city ofKurdistan, hailed the Iran-Pak- Turkey decision on closer cooperation as a great political, social, economic and cultural union of 150 million Muslims.11

The India Factor in Pak - Iran Relations
As referred to earlier, Pakistan sought to cultivate the friendship of its Muslim neighbors in order to strengthen itself against India and gain diplomatic support over various issues against India in the UN. In the late forties and fifties Iran was not hostilIe to India but it was clearly more friendly towards Pakistan. It was the first Muslim country to recognize Pakistan.12
Iran gave diplomatic support to Pakistan over Kashmir, the most crucial test of a country's friendship in the eyes of Pakistan. In the Iranian Parliament Kashmir was discussed as an "inseparable part of Pakistan". Deputy Speaker, Sayed Ahmed Sarai said:
We believe the decision of the Security Council should be binding, and the Kashmir issue settled through plebiscite under the auspices of United Nations. It is, however, regrettable that India on the one hand criticized even defence arrangements as envisaged in the Baghdad Pact and on the other hand believed in the outmoded maxim of might is rightl3
In 1952 Iran volunteered to act as a mediator between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue but the tilt was clearly in Pakistan's favour. Iran's Foreign Minister Ardeshir Zahedi, for instance, declared that "Iran had been telling India to solve the kashmir problem with Pakistan on the basis of self-determination" .14

In 1956 when India showed her resentment over the mention of Kashmir issue in the Baghdad Pact ministerial communiques, Iran did not pay any heed to India's protestations.ls
The real test ofIran- Pakistan friendship, however, came during the two Indo-Pakwars ofl965 and 1971.16

Time Tested Friend
The. first instance of military assistance from Iran to Pakistan was the 1965 Indo-Pak War. Iran considered the defence of Pakistan its own defence. Abdur Rasul Azimi, the editor or Paigham-ilmroze Clearly stated that "Iran came out to help Pakistan against Indian aggression with full consciousness that it was helping the defense. 17 0 Its own country.
The official Iranian circle also confirmed this. A statement issued by the Iranian Foreign Minister declared that Iran was concerned about India's aggression against Pakistan, a fraternal Muslim Nation.'8
Iran's supply of arms to Pakistan was no secret. YB Chavan, India's Minister for Defence informed the Rajya Sabha on 2nd August 1965 that besides China, Iran and Turkey were also supplying arms to Pakistan.'9 In response to earlier Indian statements, the Shah of Iran had accepted the fact that Iran was supplying arms to Pakistan.(wow i see turkey china and Iran here where are those Arabs bakistanies love so much)

Warof1971 and Iranian Response
Pakistan received full military and diplomatic support from Iran again in the 1971 war against India.
Iran called Indian attack as an "aggression" and the Indian action as interference in Pakistan's domestic affairs. The Shah of Iran in an interview to a Paris paper openly acknowledged, "We are opposed to all interference in its (Pakistan's) internal affairs, we are hundred per cent behind Pakistan".21 The Iranian Prime Minister also toed his ruler's line and said that "Pakistan was being subjected to violence and force".22
Iran's attitude and actions in both the Indo-Pak wars show that though Iran was pro-Pakistan
, it was hesitant in totally spoiling its relations with India. Iran tried again and again to make it clear that it did not want the dismemberment of Pakistan because that would have adversely affected the domestic stability and security of Iran. The Kurds in Iran would be encouraged to rise up against the Iranian government and thus jeopardize the security of Iran. In the same vein, Iran tried to justify the supply of arms to Pakistan on the ground that in its desperation Pakistan may fall into the Chinese lap. Further, as, a positive proof of their continuing good relations with India, Iran did not either stop or slow down the flow of oil supplies to India. During the later oil crisis too, Iran did not create much financial hardship.23 .
Though Iran and Pakistan have never been hostile to each other yet there, have been times when they have taken widely divergent stands on various issues. This divergence has been dictated by the fact that whereas Pakistan thought and acted as a small power, Iran, in the late sixties and the seventies considered itself as a medium range power. In addition to this, Iran's total dependence on the US for its economic development and military build-up won for it the hostility of Arab States. It was not merely an accident that while almost the whole of the Muslim world including Pakistan was in favour of the boycott oflsrael after the burning of AI-Aqsa Mosque on 21 st August 1969, Iran and Turkey refused to follow suit. Similarly, the Shah ofIran did not attend the Islamic Conference in Lahore because Gaddafi of Libya was invited to it despite the known hostility of the Shah for Gaddafi. A few months before his removal, Bhutto was reported to have paid a visit to Iran to win Iranian support over the nuclearisation of Pakistan. Though the Iranian reaction was not known; yet there were indications that the Shah had refused to oblige Bhutto.24

Conclusion
By way of summing up, one can safely say that the two small powers under discussion have shown remarkable consistency in their relations with each other despite certain minor ups and downs. Their bilateral relations made them important for the other regional powers-specially India. Their individual strategic locations made them important for the superpowers for keeping their hold on the oil-rich region of Asia.

NOTES AND REFERENCES:
J David Vital, N. 9,p. 33.
2 Ayub Khan, Friends not Masters (Lahore: 1967), p. vii.
J Rouhollah K. Ramazani, "Emerging Pattern of Regional Relation in Iranian Foreign Polity", Orbis, Vol. 18. No.4, 1975, p. 1043.
4 S.M. Burke, Pakistan Foreign Policy, p. 171.
5 Ayub Khan, n. 22.
6 Pakistan, National Assembly Debates, Vol. 3. Part. 2. 1964, p. 1212. 7 Ibid., 1245.
8 Ibid., p. 1245.
9 Dawn, 29 July 1964.
10 Ibid.
11 Ibid.
12 Dawn, 1 November 1956.
tJ Dawn, 22 December 1955.
14 The Patriot, 16 May 1962.
15 Asian Recorder, Vol. 2, 1956, p. 847.
16 For a detailed account of the wars see, Herbett Foldman, From Crisis to Crisis Pakistan 1962-1969 (London: 1972), The End and the Beginning of Pakistan (London: 1975), H.R. Gupts, India-P ak War, Vol. 1 & 16New Delhi: 1968, and Kutch Affair (Delhi: 1969).
17 Dawn, 10 May 1965.
18 Asian Recorder, 1-7 October 1'967, p. 6695. 19 Ibid, 27 August, 2 September 1966, p. 7254. 20 Ibid, 12-19 August 1996, p. 7235.
21 Illustrated Weekly of India, 10th October 1971. 22 Dawn, 15 December 1971.
23
The Statesman, 15 January 1974.
24 Dewan Berindernath, "No Noise About Bhutto's Visit to Iran". The
patriot, 17 January 1977.
 
Only because its weak right now. The Persians are smart enough not to take on other nations until they are ready. They can only depend on proxies for now.

Keep your suggestions for yourself MR.COCACOLA company !:lol:
 
iran will definetly pose a threat to pakistan. in past during zia era, there were certain points when it was thought a actual conflict might happen.
even today iran supports indians rather than pakistan on every issue including kashmir.

You my sir is making some sense after reading each thread...........
 
oh remember this is the same The Express Tribune about whom Indian always say "not credible info source" now how this source is credible? lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Mr. Cheetah786,

You have posted such crap and I actually wasted my time to read your crap!!!!!!!!!

Your arguing that Iran is not supporting India in terms of Kashmir issue, but non of your crap states this, so I would like you to prove if Iran really supports your cause (pakistanie cause, regarding Kashmir).....

Thanks..........
 

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