NS is tapping my phone calls and IB is after me - Moaeed Peerzada

[HRK]

The Army has no business interfering in internal affairs. This statement about "undrooni khatraat" is totally wrong. That is not the Army's responsibility. And besides, acting as a puppet master is just as disastrous as being overtly in control. And illegal.

VCheng 'Army is committed to Democracy' that's it, you are taking this discussion to the other direction .... there is a reason Army is involved with "undrooni khatraat" which is a broader term 'include civilian and non civilian matters' but the problem is both of civilian government have exhibited less competency level which is required to deal with civilian matters and because of their incompetency Pakistan is facing an internal turmoil which is producing a vacuum at administrative and political level which is eating up our resources in addition with the external pressure due to the regional situation.

Pakistan need a 'functional democratic administration' (again I am avoiding the term 'government') which can stabilise the internal situation rather to involve with non-issues and can sustain 'certain external pressures'.

lastly 'game is not over for NS government' they still have time to turn the table, they just need to revisit their strategy in certain internal and external issues.

 

[VCheng]

VCheng 'Army is committed to Democracy' that's it, you are taking this discussion to the other direction .... there is a reason Army is involved with "undrooni khatraat" which is a broader term 'include civilian and non civilian matters' but the problem is both of civilian government have exhibited less competency level which is required to deal with civilian matters and because of their incompetency Pakistan is facing an internal this turmoil which is producing a vacuum at the administrative and political level eating up our resources in addition with the external pressure due to the regional situation.

Pakistan need a 'functional democratic administration' (again I am avoiding the term 'government' but) which can stabilise the internal situation rather to involve with non-issues and can sustain 'certain external pressures'.

lastly 'game is not over for NS government' they still have time to turn the table, they just need to revisit their strategy in certain internal and external issues.

As long as the democratic process is allowed to take root, without getting trampled by boots once again .........

Of course, keeping other institutions weak provides for the perfect covering excuse to meddle in internal affairs for the Army, but it has been such a losing game for Pakistan that everyone must realize its futility.

 

[HRK]

As long as the democratic process is allowed to take root, without getting trampled by boots once again .........

Of course, keeping other institutions weak provides for the perfect covering excuse to meddle in internal affairs for the Army, but it has been such a losing game for Pakistan that everyone must realize its futility.

Its army mistake that:

• police are politicize.
• Justice system particularly at lower level is almost dysfunctional
• Education and Health sector is in worst conditions
• Infrastructure is poor
• Mafias are ruling from street to Parliment
• Politicians are corrupt
• Capital flight and money laundering from politician, bureaucrat & businessmen
• Low Tax collection
• so on & so on ......

Comon dear don't criticize just for the sake of criticism ..... bring valid arguments.

 

[VCheng]

Its army mistake that:

• police are politicize.
• Justice system particularly at lower level is almost dysfunctional
• Education and Health sector is in worst conditions
• Infrastructure is poor
• Mafias are ruling from street to Parliment
• Politicians are corrupt
• Capital flight and money laundering from politician, bureaucrat & businessmen
• Low Tax collection
• so on & so on ......

Comon dear don't criticize just for the sake of criticism ..... bring valid arguments.

Think about it: The military hoovers up the most authority and money for itself by acting as the self-appointed overlord not answerable to anyone but itself. The list above is the direct consequence of both these activities.

 

[HRK]

Think about it: The military hoovers up the most authority and money for itself by acting as the self-appointed overlord not answerable to anyone but itself. The list above is the direct consequence of both these activities.

how could you establish a link between any civilian corruption with Millitary .... as far as 'money' is concern civilians are getting 85% of the budget on average from last 10-12 years ...... its our armed forces who are suffering with the rest of the nation due to the incompetency and corruption of politicians & administration.

 

[SBD-3]

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Its now a heinous crime to criticize the lord king his highness Nawaz Sharif..

IB tap karay to henious crime, ISI karay to hub ul watni?.................

 

[VCheng]

how could you establish a link between any civilian corruption with Millitary .... as far as 'money' is concern civilians are getting 85% of the budget on average from last 10-12 years ...... its our armed forces who are suffering with the rest of the nation due to the incompetency and corruption of politicians & administration.

The military overlordship creates and keeps the corruption within the civilian cadres to keep them weak and divided on purpose. And the military gets the largest piece of the pie after debt servicing. Its own commercial activities are on top of that.

Besides, the abysmal national condition much like a banana republic provides ample proof of this being correct.

 

[HRK]

The military overlordship creates and keeps the corruption within the civilian cadres to keep them weak and divided on purpose. And the military gets the largest piece of the pie after debt servicing. Its own commercial activities are on top of that.

Besides, the abysmal national condition much like a banana republic provides ample proof of this being correct.

Check the official budgetary documents (audited by IMF) development budget is the second highest expenditure after debt servicing .....

If you want to prove Armed forces as evil and politicians as saint than it may only be your opinion which certainly differ from ground realities ....

 

[VCheng]

Check the official budgetary documents (audited by IMF) development budget is the second highest expenditure after debt servicing .....

If you want to prove Armed forces as evil and politicians as saint than it may only be your opinion which certainly differ from ground realities ....

My assertion of the military budget is correct.

The ground realities? Please take a good look around and tell me I am wrong. Really? The Armed Forces are one of major players at fault in making this mess happen. Instead of calling it evil, all I would say is that it is time for it to realize that it must mend its ways if Pakistan is to survive. That is all.

 

[HRK]

My assertion of the military budget is correct.

would request the official historical data for your assessment ....

The ground realities? Please take a good look around and tell me I am wrong. Really? The Armed Forces are one of major players at fault in making this mess happen. Instead of calling it evil, all I would say is that it is time for it to realize that it must mend its ways if Pakistan is to survive. That is all.

My dear system works when all the components work together for a common objective ..... you think Military as the main villain, my stance is civilians caused more harm to Pakistan from Ghulam Muhammad to NS, but both Millitary and civilians have their haunted past ....

 

[VCheng]

My dear system works when all the components work together for a common objective ..... you think Military as the main villain, my stance is civilians caused more harm to Pakistan from Ghulam Muhammad to NS, but both Millitary and civilians have their haunted past ....

Okay, please answer me this honestly: In your view, who is more powerful in Pakistan, the Army or Civilians? Who holds the trump cards? That which has the power also bears the responsibility.

 

[Jzaib]

This is not a legal way:

no one wants a illegal way but nawaz and his relative ( ministers ) are trying hard to bring the martial law ... may be he want a trip back to his luxurious place in saudia arabia

 

[Marshmallow]

Okay, please answer me this honestly: In your view, who is more powerful in Pakistan, the Army or Civilians? Who holds the trump cards? That which has the power also bears the responsibility.

Although Army is more powerful but Civilians could have crushed the terror/intervention by running responsible and mature civilian rule.....they made a place for them to jump in with their bad Governance and Corruption....

by the way aint Army in every other country more powerful than civilians?

 

[Jzaib]

As long as the democratic process is allowed to take root, without getting trampled by boots once again .........

Of course, keeping other institutions weak provides for the perfect covering excuse to meddle in internal affairs for the Army, but it has been such a losing game for Pakistan that everyone must realize its futility.

how are they keeping other institutions weak?? are they asking wapda do curroption, they they asking politians to loot the money .. are they asking the judiciary to set criminals free .. are they asking nawaz to appoint every family member as minister..??? i know u r anti army but ur argument make no sense ... democracy is weak bcoz few corrupt families have made a cartel ... u can neither replace them nor the will let anyone from their party to come on top

 

[HRK]

Okay, please answer me this honestly: In your view, who is more powerful in Pakistan, the Army or Civilians? Who holds the trump cards? That which has the power also bears the responsibility.

'The one who is more attach with the common Pakistani'