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Now, China makes incursion in Uttarakhand

Again, nobody bothering to counter my points but questioning my nationality or calling me crazy, hitler, stalin, whatever.

Get this through your head okay. I"m not Paksitan or Chinese.

But somehow we Indians remain as dumb as ever, falling to western propaganda like "Democracy" and other BS instead of getting a strong nationalist government that can actually do something good.
 
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let me remind all of you ,India is not a failed state . we are growing stronger everyday ,china has lots of money ,and we not far behind and have money also .china is developing country and not developed so do Indian .
Military of India is par and best of the world .:sniper:
they are not for decoration ,and can defense any aggression on the country whether it is usa ,russia or china :devil:
 
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At par with best are you joking? They can't even manufacture their own tanks.

How will you sustain a conflict without indegenous capability? Lick Uncle Sam's arse?

I'm telling you China can steamroll through the Indian plains if they want and we will be able to do nothing. Our semi-literate politicians will play blame-game and that's it. How the **** are you supposed to develop with Mayawati as future PM? Its bloody shocking. I have very little hope for this country to even defend its existing territories in the future.

And bloody free press? Look at what idiots like Arundhati Roy are blabbering all over the media? How are they allowed to say all this?
 
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At par with best are you joking? They can't even manufacture their own tanks.

How will you sustain a conflict without indegenous capability? Lick Uncle Sam's arse?

I'm telling you China can steamroll through the Indian plains if they want and we will be able to do nothing. Our semi-literate politicians will play blame-game and that's it. How the **** are you supposed to develop with Mayawati as future PM? Its bloody shocking. I have very little hope for this country to even defend its existing territories in the future.

And bloody free press? Look at what idiots like Arundhati Roy are blabbering all over the media? How are they allowed to say all this?

This is the problem of India. Here if anyone says anything correctly, low IQ Indians then accuse that person of being anti Indian.

I myself is a Maithil Brahmin and i know the fate of India is actually the presence of a big number of low IQ polluted blood people.

Yesterday, an Indian member tried to insult me just because I stated some facts.
 
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^Jingoistic crap. The average IQ of an Indian is 81. Do you seriously expect India to match upto Chinese whose average IQ is 105?

Grow up and recognize the reality. The gap between India and China is not narrowing, but widening, and will continue to do so. And if India remains hostile, we will have to pay a heavy price in the future when China will be the dominant world power.

you didn't answer my question earlier. please give your so called 'rational ' opinion on this.
we do know the reality thats why we keep diplomacy always on the top but we also know that giving up every thing you stand for, is not going to solve any problem like you did. as far as IQ is concerned we, Indians are making money from our IQ(service sector) on the contrary Chinese making money from hard work(manufacturing) so what is use if you don't use IQ. i think you have inferiority complex issues. it good that you have left this country. this is no place for cowards.

US is dominant power still iran and north korea are there and living with their head held high. so even if china become super power we will be here and we will always live with dignity without selling our self respect.
 
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Haha? You think manufacturing = physical labour? Are you joking?

Listen mr. Rajkumar. It takes brain power to design, manufacture, and market a product, unlike talking on the phone which needs only English knowledge (gift of our British ex-masters) .

Also, manufacturing is the ONLY WAY to raise the standard of living. Call centers and software development cannot employ majority of Indians.

If India has any hope of catching up with CHina, it needs to begin manufacturing on a large scale. Unfortunately, the average dumb Indian is still stuck in rain-fed farming on tiny plots of land. I see no hope for these people.
 
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Haha? You think manufacturing = physical labour? Are you joking?

Listen mr. Rajkumar. It takes brain power to design, manufacture, and market a product, unlike talking on the phone which needs only English knowledge (gift of our British ex-masters) .

Also, manufacturing is the ONLY WAY to raise the standard of living. Call centers and software development cannot employ majority of Indians.

If India has any hope of catching up with CHina, it needs to begin manufacturing on a large scale. Unfortunately, the average dumb Indian is still stuck in rain-fed farming on tiny plots of land. I see no hope for these people.

well, you think the all manufactured product from china has indigenous tech. haha are you kidding me.

china is worlds manufacturing hub not because it has tech but all top notch companies set up their manufacturing plants in china and all tech comes from their R & Ds. china don't own the technology. the reason of heavy investment is absence of red tape ,cheap labor and good infrastructure like electricity and roads.

you still didn't answer my previous question.
 
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Again you are completely ignorant. China manufactures everything from low to medium to high-tech, and in numbers far greater than India.

R & D? Tell me.. how many patents Indian companies filed last year compared to China? How many research papers Indians wrote in comparison to China?

Only one Chinese company - huawei - filed more patents than the whole of India combined.

It takes brains to even reverse engineer and manufacture. Indians can't even do that it seems.
 
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Hembo:

Enough with the personal attacks and derogatory remarks. Stick to the topic and don't attack other members personally.
 
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Again you are completely ignorant. China manufactures everything from low to medium to high-tech, and in numbers far greater than India.

R & D? Tell me.. how many patents Indian companies filed last year compared to China? How many research papers Indians wrote in comparison to China?

Only one Chinese company - huawei - filed more patents than the whole of India combined.

It takes brains to even reverse engineer and manufacture. Indians can't even do that it seems.

So finally what is the point you are trying to make. Give up Arunachal Pradesh. Right? if it was that these for the chinese they would have done it by now. Heard of Taiwan, Tibet. They are with Chinese. Chinese are not dumb to fancy a war against India. They very well how and what it is going to cost.
 
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Unless India can narrow the capability gap vis-a-vis China, I do not see the point of making an enemy out of them.

And the path that India is on rite now, there's not hope of ever coming remotely close to China.
 
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Unless India can narrow the capability gap vis-a-vis China, I do not see the point of making an enemy out of them.

And the path that India is on rite now, there's not hope of ever coming remotely close to China.

na na bhai why to make them enemy? We should offer them Arunachal Pradesh in silver plate.

if 10 people are to storm into my house to rape my family should I present my family to them for-heatedly.... Oh they are 10 of them. I am weak in front of them so we should offer them our families.... Damn I would love dieing before doing any such thing.

Though there exist some morons in the society who love doing so..... and to lick the a$$ of those 10 guys. And yeah dont forget to arrange for the dinner.....After all those 10 people were laying claim on their sister so it is rightfully of those 10 guys.....

Great Understanding
 
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na na bhai why to make them enemy? We should offer them Arunachal Pradesh in silver plate.

if 10 people are to storm into my house to rape my family should I present my family to them for-heatedly.... Oh they are 10 of them. I am weak in front of them so we should offer them our families.... Damn I would love dieing before doing any such thing.

Though there exist some morons in the society who love doing so..... and to lick the a$$ of those 10 guys. And yeah dont forget to arrange for the dinner.....After all those 10 people were laying claim on their sister so it is rightfully of those 10 guys.....

Great Understanding

ha ha ha ha ha:rofl:
that is the only example that suit :rofl:
 
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Chinese Incursions and India’s Flawed Response

Chinese incursions are making headlines in the Indian Press. It is good. Not because the Chinese persist in trespassing into Indian territory, but because the media bring some light onto such disturbing happenings. Instinctively, not to say genetically, the Indian leadership prefers to hide the truth, to not ”hurt our Chinese neighbours’ feelings” or “makes things worse”. In pure Indian diplomatic tradition, Foreign minister SM Krishna stated: “With China, I think the boundary has been one of the most peaceful. So, there is no issue on that.” He added that there “is a built-in mechanism which is in place and which takes care of such incursions. India has so far acted with restraint maintaining that the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China is not very well defined.”

Chinese speed boats often intrude into Indian territorial waters on Panggong Tso in Ladakhpanggong-tso

We could ask a question, why is the LAC not well defined? What is the point for successive NSAs to meet (13 times already since 2003), if they are not even able to define an ‘actual’ line? Apart from the fact that it proves the insincerity of the Chinese side which is not ready to make a first step to cool the tensions, the exercise seems a waste of public money.

This time, the Army had the courage to acknowledge the facts. The Army Chief, General Deepak Kapoor admitted that India had lodged a protest with Beijing on the incursion of a Chinese helicopter into Indian territory and the painting of some rocks in red.

The Press reported that “the army is gathering evidence from the spots where Chinese troops had painted rocks”. What does ‘gathering evidence’ mean? Does it imply that the Army is not aware of what is happening on the LAC in actual time? It is a serious and worrying lapse.

This shyness of the Indian politicians and officials is not new. It is probably a genetic feature of the Foreign Service.

Milam village near the Indo-Tibet bordermilam3

In May, while spending some leisure time in Munsyari, the last town before the Indo-Tibet border in the Kumaon Hills, I located the ‘historian’ of area. Till the 1962 War, this tehsil used to be the main center for business with Western Tibet. Most of the Bothias, the local tribes lived on trade. Caravans used to depart from Milam, a village in Johar Valley, north of Munsyari and proceed to the trade markets around the Kailash-Mansarovar area. The old ‘historian’ told me a story which flabbergasted me. A gentleman native to the area, called Lakshan Singh Jangpangi, had joined the Foreign Service in the forties as a senior accountant in Indian Trade Mart of Gartok, east of the Kailash. In 1946, he was promoted to the important post of British Trade Agent. When India became independent, he continued to serve in the same position till he was transferred to Yatung in 1959. I was told that Mr Jangpangi, who from Gartok had a panoramic view on what was going on in Western Tibet, had informed his Minister (Jawaharlal Nehru) that the Chinese had started to build on the arid Aksai Chin plateau. It was 1951-52.

Crossing the Indian territory, the road only became the object of official correspondence with the Chinese Government seven years later. It was finally debated in the Parliament in 1959. Probably, the government did not want ‘to hurt Chinese sentiments’ or believe that time would solve the issue.

The most ironic part of the story is that Jangpangi was awarded the first Padma Shri Award given to a Kumaoni ‘for his meritorious services’. Was it for breaking the news or for having kept quiet? We will probably never know. Today, if a courageous historian requests one day the government to declassify this file, he will be quoted Article 8 (1) (a) of the Right to Information Act: “there shall be no obligation to give any citizen, information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State”.

The Chinese incursions continued in the fifties in Garwal (Barahoti), Himachal Pradesh (Shipkila) and then spread to Ladakh and NEFA. Mao’s regime could have only been encouraged by the Government of India’s feeble complaints. Delhi was probably satisfied with its seasonal protests and the immediate denials from Beijing. Hundreds of such complaints have been recorded in the 14 Volumes of the White Papers published from 1959 to 1965 by the Ministry of External Affairs.

A telling incident is worth recalling. In September 1956, 20 Chinese crossed over the Shipki-la pass into Himachal Pradesh. A 27-member Border Security Force party met the Chinese the same day. The BSF were told by a Chinese officer that he was instructed to patrol right up to Hupsang Khad (4 miles south of Shipki La, the acknowledged border pass under the Panchsheel Agreement). The BSF were however advised “to avoid an armed clash but not yield to the Chinese troops.”

Delhi did not know how to react. A few days later, Nehru wrote to the Foreign Secretary: “I agree with [your] suggestion …it would not be desirable for this question to be raised in the Lok Sabha at the present stage.”

Chinese helicopter

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The policy of the Indian government was to keep the matter quiet and eventually mention it ‘informally’ to the Chinese officials.

Finally, the MEA informed Beijing “The Government of India are pained and surprised at this conduct of the Chinese commanding officer.”

This was fifty-three years ago. Is the situation different today?

One more irony: the Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Omar Abdullah stated that India has the right to respond: “It is our right to respond in case of ceasefire violations.” Of course, he was speaking about Pakistan and the other corner of his State. He would not have dared to use these words with China.

It is depressing. I have an Indian friend, knowledgeable in defense matters, who always tells me that one should not worry, that genes can evolve, even Darwin says so. Is it just a matter or one or two generations for Indians to get Chinese genes? Let us see.
Chinese Incursions and India’s Flawed Response | Indian Defence Review
 
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