Now, bid to push back antiquity of the Vedas

[Hindustani78]

What a load of hogwash. The gita comes from the Mahabharata, which comes after the Vedas. The Rig Veda (the oldest Veda) was compiled in 1600 BCE. So tell me how the gita can be 5,000 years old?

Vedic scripture Bhavisya Purana III.VII.II that the fifth Veda written by Vedavyasa is called the Mahabharata.

The Bhagavad-Gita is composed of 700 Sanskrit verses contained within 18 chapters, divided into three sections each consisting of six chapters. They are Karma Yoga the yoga of actions. Bhakti Yoga the yoga of devotion and Jnana Yoga the yoga of knowledge.

The Mahabharata confirms that Lord Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-Gita to Arjuna at the Battle of Kuruksetra in 3137 B.C.. According to specific astrological references in the Vedic scriptures, the year 3102 B.C. is the beginning of kali yuga which began 35 years after the battle 5000 years ago.

Alexander the Great arrived in India in 326 B.C. was that before him were 154 kings who ruled back to 6777 B.C. This also follows the Vedic understanding.

in yogic culture there is no god !

Vedas have always talk about the Supreme Creator.

 

[Arya Desa]

Vedic scripture Bhavisya Purana III.VII.II that the fifth Veda written by Vedavyasa is called the Mahabharata.

The Bhagavad-Gita is composed of 700 Sanskrit verses contained within 18 chapters, divided into three sections each consisting of six chapters. They are Karma Yoga the yoga of actions. Bhakti Yoga the yoga of devotion and Jnana Yoga the yoga of knowledge.

The Mahabharata confirms that Lord Krishna spoke the Bhagavad-Gita to Arjuna at the Battle of Kuruksetra in 3137 B.C.. According to specific astrological references in the Vedic scriptures, the year 3102 B.C. is the beginning of kali yuga which began 35 years after the battle 5000 years ago.

Alexander the Great arrived in India in 326 B.C. was that before him were 154 kings who ruled back to 6777 B.C. This also follows the Vedic understanding.



Vedas have always talk about the Supreme Creator.

Except it's not the 5th Veda. The Mahabharata isn't even shruti. The Mahabharata is a Kshatriya bairds tale developed further by brahmins. The Vedas come from a time when caste was meaningless, at the beginning of formation. The mabaharata mentions those Greeks too, so it clearly is no older than 400 BCE.

 

[Hindustani78]

Except it's not the 5th Veda. The Mahabharata isn't even shruti. The Mahabharata is a Kshatriya bairds tale developed further by brahmins. The Vedas come from a time when caste was meaningless, at the beginning of formation. The mabaharata mentions those Greeks too, so it clearly is no older than 400 BCE.

According to specific astrological references in the Vedic scriptures, the year 3102 B.C. is the beginning of kali yuga which began 35 years after the battle 5000 years ago.

 

[Arya Desa]

According to specific astrological references in the Vedic scriptures, the year 3102 B.C. is the beginning of kali yuga which began 35 years after the battle 5000 years ago.

All imagined. If you read the bible it takes about the precession of the equinox and being in the age of pieces. That happened millenia away from the bible. Astrological references are unreliable as they follow a fixed, known pattern to the ancients.

 

[Hindustani78]

All imagined. If you read the bible it takes about the precession of the equinox and being in the age of pieces. That happened millenia away from the bible. Astrological references are unreliable as they follow a fixed, known pattern to the ancients.

Indian researchers are aware of thier ancient history and already there has been enough research done.

 

[Srinivas]

Mahabharata as they say based on astro calculations happened in 5000 B.C, But the the tale passed on to the later generations by oral tradition, until around 1000 B.C or so (not sure of date) was written into a book.

Mahabharata was derived from Bharata. Bharat is the original tale and they made it a huge book adding their wisdom and vedic knolwdge to make this tale into Mahabharata.

 

[Hindustani78]

All imagined. If you read the bible it takes about the precession of the equinox and being in the age of pieces. That happened millenia away from the bible. Astrological references are unreliable as they follow a fixed, known pattern to the ancients.

Here we are talking about Rig Vedas and we can discuss about Bible in other thread.

 

[Hindustani78]

Rig Veda Golden Age for women’s rights: Sangh history body - The Hindu


The Union minister for culture, Mahesh Sharma, may be in favour of a curfewed social life for women, but the RSS’ Akhil Bharatiya Itihaas Sankalan Yojana (BISY) defines the golden period for women in India as the Rig Vedic age where they went beyond traditional roles, “married at a mature age” and “had the right to choose their husbands.”

In fact, according to an invitation for research papers issued by the BISY, for a seminar it is hosting in December on status of women, restrictions on women, the kind Dr. Sharma spoke about, happened after invasions from outsiders like “Yavanas, Shakas, Huna, Kushana and several other reasons, the status of women began to decline and with Islamic invasions later, women’s freedom and rights.”

The convenor for BISY Bal Mukund told The Hindu, that the seminar would be held in December in Mysore, and that papers detailing research into this aspect had been invited. “We hold a seminar every three years, as part of our charter to promote history and historiography. This time the theme is how the status of women in India deteriorated to this extent,” he said.

“Women as scholars, and with important economic roles have dotted Rig Vedic history, they have written Richas of the Vedasa, and we have to know how the decline in their rights came,” he said. Asked how he could square this view with the frequent calls by Sangh associates that Hindu women should bear more children and to view them only for child bearing purposes, he said that “no reasonable person can hold that view.”

He did however, in the context of a so-called decline in Hindu population to below 80% of India’s total numbers say that, “such remarks as above need to be heard in the proper context.”

“We are worshippers of Ardhanarishwara, for us the male and female element is the same,” he said.

 

[Hindustani78]

Message of Vedas should be spread across world: Bhagwat | Zee News

Mathura: Nobody can imagine India without its culture, philosophy and the Vedas as these make up the soul of the country, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said here on Wednesday.

"Late Swami Vivekanand had said that so long as religion is alive even in one particle, eliminating India cannot be possible," he said while inaugurating a Ved Vidyalaya at Vrindavan.

"Efforts made to eliminate the country's culture for over 200 years could not succeed as it is deeply-rooted," he said.

Comparing the Vedas with science, Bhagwat said that while the latter has its limitations, the former had none.

Bhagwat suggested that acharyas, saints and academicians should interpret Vedas in a way which would be relevant in different times, situations and places so that "the secret of the welfare of humanity, that India has in the Vedas, could be spread throughout the world".

The RSS Chief asked people to attend Sangh Shakhas to attain Vedic knowledge.

Meanwhile, when people requested Bhagwat for selfies at the event, he said it was okay to take pictures but, "don't share them on the social media".

"Post photos of our great leaders instead," he said.

Punjab and Haryana Governor Kaptan Singh Solanki, who also attended the programme, emphasised the importance of Vedas.

"If India has to lead the world in the 21st Century, character building that comes through Vedas is a must," he added.

Founder of Bharat Mata Mandir Hardwar, Mahamandaleshwar Swami Satyamitranand Giri, Maluk Peethdheeshwar Rajendra Das and the founder of Veda School in Vrindaban, Govind Deo?Giri, were among those present at the event.

PTI

 

[Hindustani78]

Last Updated: Saturday, September 26, 2015 - 20:52
Historians debate chronology of Vedic literature at Delhi University meet | Zee News

Amid a raging debate over incorporation of Vedic education in curriculum, Sanskrit scholars from various universities on Saturday engaged over a discourse over the origin of the Rig Vedas and on the influx of Aryans in the country.

New Delhi: Amid a raging debate over incorporation of Vedic education in curriculum, Sanskrit scholars from various universities on Saturday engaged over a discourse over the origin of the Rig Vedas and on the influx of Aryans in the country.


The scholars also questioned the period of composition generally ascribed to the Rig Veda which is about 1,500 BC, placing it after the decline of the Harappan Civilization, during the national symposium on "Chronology of Vedic Literature- A Reassessment" at Delhi University here.

"The original date of Rig Veda has been debated for long. The Marxists have gone all out to establish that Indus Valley civilisation is older than Rig Vedic era. The fact that Aryans came to the plains of India and pushed the Dravidians southwards is also not true," said HOD, DU's Sanskrit Department, Ramesh C Bharadwaj, in his keynote address.

"Much before the Indus Valley civilisation, the plains of India had a flourishing culture of its own, which can be established through the Rig Vedic texts. The history needs correction and chronology needs to be fixed," he added.

Bhardwaj who has also submitted a project to Indian Council for Historical Research, seeking funding to conduct research on the subject, said, "Our dates do not match with the main stream dates established by the historians."

The scholars also dismissed the view-upheld by historians and archaeologists and presented in textbooks - as Marxist and "Max Muellerist."

Bhardwaj said there is evidence to suggest the Aryans never invaded but were indigenous and developed into the Harappan civilization.

"That is the only way to explain the highly evolved and urban culture of the Harappans. Marxist historians begin with Indus Valley but they can't provide information on what preceded the Harappan cities. This gap is filled by Vedic literature," he said.

The three-day meet at DU, is being supported by HRD Ministry and organised in association with Maharshi Sandipani Rashtriya Veda Vidya Pratisthan, Ujjain.

PTI

 

[Hindustani78]

DU Sanskrit meet pushes back period of Vedas to 6000 BC - The Hindu


This amounts to the Vedas getting older by 4500 years compared to what we thought.
The Vedas date back to 6000 BC, Sanskrit scholars brainstorming on the dates of the ancient texts at a conclave organised by Delhi University’s Sanskrit department said on Saturday. This amounts to the Vedas getting older by 4500 years compared to what we thought.

“The time of the Vedas cannot be asserted before 6000 BC and thus Vedic civilisation is proved more ancient than the Indus Valley civilisation,” department head Ramesh Bhardwaj said in his keynote address, claiming that a correlation of archaeological, literary and astronomical evidence suggested so.

The innocuous sounding claim has deep political implications.

Influential Indian and European historians have for over a century seen the Vedas as dating back to 1500 BC, while the date of the Harappan civilisation is located around 2500 to 1800 BC. This had made the view that Vedic Aryans were early migrants to India commonplace.

Add to it a 19th century view of Indologists that Vedic Sanskrit had similarities with ancient European languages and early Persian — and that Tamil was distinct from Sanskrit.

These theories had spawned movements as varied as Jyotirao Phule’s anti-Brahmin movement in western India and the Dravidian movement in south India, which believed that there was an Aryan invasion in ancient times. Many saw the Vedic culture as superimposed over pre-Aryan cultures, while others talked of a migration sans invasion.

The present claim of these Sanskrit scholars makes the Vedas coincide with and even pre-date the Harappan civilisation, thus making the ancestors of today’s Hindus indigenous to India.

Many scholars have seen such assertions as crucial to the Sangh Parivar, which, they argue, sees Hindus as original inhabitants of India, and Islam and Christianity as later entrants. Significantly, the Sangh Parivar uses the term Vanavasi (forest dwellers) rather than Adivasi (original inhabitants) for India’s tribes.

“The Sanskrit department people aren’t experts in comparative linguistics. They are also not environmental historians to study the flora and fauna of the Vedas,” historian D.N. Jha told The Hindu. “Astronomical evidence is dubious. And I would like to ask why the department waited till 2015 for this finding? The most plausible date of the Vedas till now is 1500 BC.”

Scholars from Delhi, Varanasi and Gorakhpur apart, archaeologists K.N. Dikshit and B.R. Mani attended the meet.

 

[Hindustani78]

Teaching the ‘endangered’ Veda! - The Hindu
While most such patasalas teach Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda too, Navajeevan Atharvana Veda Patasala in Tiruchanur is determined to make a difference by taking up only Atharvana Veda, which is learnt or taught only by a handful in the country.

“There are just around 10 qualified scholars and 100-120 learners of Atharvana Veda in India. It is this situation that propelled the idea of starting an exclusive patasala,” K. Sridhar Acharya, founder president of Navajeevan group of charitable institutions told The Hindu . Sadly, 98 of the 100 branches (Shakas) of Atharvana Veda have been lost and only Shownik and Pippala shakas are practised, that too in some pockets of Odisha and Gujarat.

The school is affiliated to Ujjain-based Maharshi Sandipani Rashtriya Veda Vidya Pratishtan, which functions under the Union Ministry of Human Resources Development. This course is considered equivalent to the Intermediate education.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Actually all these lands use to belongs to Indian tribes and Prophet Zoroaster was even from the Indian Tribes similar like Prophet Ibrahim and they all have preached the same message of Vedas.

 

[Hindustani78]

Feb. 9 Ballari Karnataka: A view of the 5000-year-old ashmound located on NH 63 between Ballari and Hosapete was facing threat due to upgradation of the road into four lane (No picture credit please) | Photo Credit: 9448262638;9448262638 - B_M_Siddalingaswamy

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...olithic-site-from-NH-work/article17285241.ece

Historians and naturalists are apprehensive that a neolithic ashmound at Budi Kanavi (Budikanama Pass), between Ballari and Hospet, might be threatened by the proposed upgrade of NH 63 into a four-lane road, if the present alignment is not changed.

Ravi Korishettar, archaeologist, and Santosh Martin, naturalist, have submitted a memorandum to the Deputy Commissioner urging him to intervene immediately to save this “most important historical and archaeological site in southern India.”

This site represents a pastoral community’s settlement dating back to about 5,000 years ago.

It is associated with the Neolithic period when hunter-gatherers became agriculturists and is the centre of a series of ashmounds located at Sangnakallu, Kurugodu, Toranagallu, Gadiganur, Kurekuppa and Halkundi in the district.

The district administration is in touch with the project director of NHAI to seek deferment of the work.

Deputy Commissioner Ramprasath Manohar said that the project director is expected to visit the spot on February 14 when he will discuss the steps to to preserve the site.

Speaking to The Hindu, Mr. Korishettar pointed out that Budi Kanavi is the largest among 300 sites known from the districts of Ballari, Chitradurga, Raichur, Kalaburgi, Vijayapur, Bidar, Mahbubnagar, Anantapur and Kurnool in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. Archaeologists from across the globe visit the mounds from time to time, especially those who are engaged in unravelling the rise of agricultural way of life in India.

Prof. Korishettar said that the ashmound is protected by the Commissionerate of Archaeology, Museums and Heritage, State government.

The site was found in the 1840s by Captain Newbold and Colin Mackenzie (the first Surveyor-General of British India).

In the 1880s, Robert Bruce Foote was the first geologist who identified the site as being a Neolithic agro-pastoral community and compared this formation with Zariba mounds in Africa.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...steps-to-Shravanabelagola/article17279433.ece
The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI), here on Thursday, began building alternative steps to Vindhyagiri, the hillock where the 58.8-foot-tall monolith statue of Gomateshwara is located.

This is fourth time in the 1,000-year history of the site that steps are being chiselled in the hillock.

The ASI has taken up the work ahead of the 88th Mamastakabhisheka of Gomateshwara scheduled in February 2018. Charukeethi Bhattaraka Swami of Jain Mutt performed the bhoomi pooja for the conservation and development works in the presence of senior officers of the ASI.

The Bengaluru Circle of ASI had proposed works estimated at ₹5 crore for conservation and development of the site. The proposed works include repairing of the pathway, reducing the height of existing steps on the top of the hill, railings, protection of inscription, construction of a compound wall, and creation of new steps.

Till 1910, there were no steps to the hillock. “Prior to Mahamastakabhisheka that year, steps were chiselled for the first time. The second steps were created in 1966 and those steps were improved in 1983,” said Charukeerti Bhattaraka Swami, who is also chairman of the national committee to hold Mahamastakabhisheka.

T. Arun Raj, superintending archaeologist, told presspersons that the creation of news steps was decided in view of the crowd expected during the Mahamastakabhisheka next year. “Around 400 new steps will be created. The existing number of steps is over 600. The path of the new steps will join the existing path after 400 steps. This will help the devotees,” he said. Only ₹2 crore approval has been granted. The official said it would be completed before January 2018.

The process will not affect the site either archaeologically, geologically or visually, said Pankaj Modi, a conservation architect. “The new steps will be created using the traditional chiselling method. The steps will merge with the existing structure,” he said.

 

[Hindustani78]

Historical: The 5,000-year-old ash mound in Ballari district. | Photo Credit: 9448262638;9448262638 - B_M_Siddalingaswamy

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ad-to-save-neolithic-site/article17335745.ece

Officials keen to protect ash mound
Archaeologists are heaving a sigh of relief as the National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) is keen to ensure that the work on upgrading NH 63 does not disturb the ‘ash mound’, an important neolithic site in Ballari district.

The NHAI team, which visited the site, is thinking of a road realignment.

Ajay Mani, Project Director, NHAI, along with P. Madhu, Manager (Technical) and other officials inspected the site in the wake of apprehensions expressed by historians and naturalists, that the 5,000-year-old ash mound may have to be removed to pave way for developing the highway into a four-lane.

The NHAI authorities collected samples of ash from the mound and discussed realignment of the road.

Mr. Mani told The Hindu that he had instructed his technical staff to bring out a modified design. He said that he would soon meet the Deputy Commissioner and other authorities concerned to show the alternative design and seek their approval.


Santosh Martin, a naturalist, said this archaeological site was one of the most important in southern India and represented the earlier pastoral community’s settlement dating back to 5,000 years ago. It is associated with the neolithic period when hunter-gatherers became agriculturists and is the centre of a series of ash mounds located in the district.