Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Windjammer]

There are banners and hoardings about him in many places in Sargodha city. Especially on PAF road and university road which are very near PAF base Sargodha.

Actually I was surprised to see them but due to the internet and social media people are more aware of it.

 

[airomerix]

PAF should stop using its elite pilots and frontline assets in such events meant for 10 minutes entertainment max, if not then T38 and K8 are more than enough

It is being considered to only use JF-17 for future shows. But aerobatics will take place.

sir if you look at this power line tower.....it is double circuit 11KV lines ....means 6 wires....the yellow encircled conductors terminal insulator pointing towards ground..... it means connected line is broken....

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This picture is very vague evidence to draw any conclusion. The lines can be severed for any reason. Whenever a transformer blows up, the lines do break. A transformer did fall down which means a few wires did break.

 

[Raider 21]

The only difference that I can see between this and Noman, is that this pilot was in senses throughout and didn't suffered a GLOC.... Where you can see that Noman's was initially falling like rock until the very last moment tried to recover



I think anyone can get a GLOC in such maneuver and especially those in 40s, it's a tricky age...

But if its not the GLOC then why it was falling straight down till last second... possible bird strike???

It was not G-LOC and he was not coming straight down but in trajectory going with the Max G he was pulling. The angle and position of where the video was shot gives out the impression he was heading straight down. If that were the case, his training would have told him to eject, unless his sole intent was to save the jet. His final decision either way costed his life and the jet.

 

[airomerix]

It was not G-LOC and he was not coming straight down but in trajectory going with the Max G he was pulling. The angle and position of where the video was shot gives out the impression he was heading straight down. If that were the case, his training would have told him to eject, unless his sole intent was to save the jet. His final decision either way costed his life and the jet.

The video clearly shows the elevators fully deployed and nose being jacked up, which explains he was trying to recover the aircraft.

 

[NA71]

for 11 kv circuits...HT transformers are not installed on Poles....and there is mechanism that separate conductors from mechanical stress ... they can only be broken through cross strong winds ...or through Impact.

The broken conductor may not be the cause of crash but it is definitely involved in plane's final route.

 

[Windjammer]

Some one who knows his stuff had this to say.

He just misjudged the split S height and/or had a compressor stall on the third half pulling up - then kept trying to recover the aircraft.

 

[Raider 21]

Some one who knows his stuff had this to say.

He just misjudged the split S height and/or had a compressor stall on the third half pulling up - then kept trying to recover the aircraft.

Multiple variables still being investigated including that. Some of the PAF pilots mentioned pilot error by missing out on a roll followed by a Split S. A large contribution of it was poor judgment.

Saw previous demos which show 2 slow rolls followed by a Split S.

Multiple variables, multiple narratives, for an unfortunate outcome.

 

[Path-Finder]

So do we know what caused the incident with the plane?

 

[Safriz]

Clearest video of the last moments.
He seems to have levelled out the plane quite high up but the plane keeps falling and he hits power lines at the last moments.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238971680610975744

 

[BATMAN]

It was not G-LOC and he was not coming straight down but in trajectory going with the Max G he was pulling. The angle and position of where the video was shot gives out the impression he was heading straight down. If that were the case, his training would have told him to eject, unless his sole intent was to save the jet. His final decision either way costed his life and the jet.

That's true, and i suspect some electronic warfare weapon was used from the ground.

Clearest video of the last moments.
He seems to have levelled out the plane quite high up but the plane keeps falling and he hits power lines at the last moment.

very brave indeed.

 

[SaffronBandit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238739605194768385

He needed 500 feet to have barely survived this one. The nose is pitched up but the downward momentum was too great.

 

[Vortex]

It is being considered to only use JF-17 for future shows. But aerobatics will take place.

I don’t know how happen the training with PAF about the shows, but here in France, the Patrouille de France made with highly skilled pilots ( team specialised for the shows) trains 6 months each years specifically for the shows. Pilots stay in the team from 2 to 4 years and there is a turn over of 3 pilots each year...

I’m not expert nor a pilot so take it as only my 2 anays khi soch.

It is always sad to hear such loss of life in our armed forces. I pray for their safety but when Time comes... nobody could escape.

 

[Raider 21]

I don’t know how happen the training with PAF about the shows, but here in France, the Patrouille de France made with highly skilled pilots ( team specialised for the shows) trains 6 months each years specifically for the shows. Pilots stay in the team from 2 to 4 years and there is a turn over of 3 pilots each year...

I’m not expert nor a pilot so take it as only my 2 anays khi soch.

It is always sad to hear such loss of life in our armed forces. I pray for their safety but when Time comes... nobody could escape.

That is a dedicated aerobatics team. Same goes with the Rafale solo demo team. Whereas with PAF demos they are normally practiced close to a time of choosing regarding an occasion. PAF normally does not have a dedicated squadron pilot who flies demos. A good example is UAEAF, who have a junior operational pilots assigned as demo pilots for flying the Mirage 2000-9 & F-16 Block 60s.

 

[Vortex]

That is a dedicated aerobatics team. Same goes with the Rafale solo demo team. Whereas with PAF demos they are normally practiced close to a time of choosing regarding an occasion. PAF normally does not have a dedicated squadron pilot who flies demos. A good example is UAEAF, who have a junior operational pilots assigned as demo pilots for flying the Mirage 2000-9 & F-16 Block 60s.

Thanks for explanation. Therefore PAF should change a little bit the shows training. I’m not advocating for having a full time demo team, but at least training for demo should be a little bit more than the few days allocated (as per my reading here and there).

I know we have many constraints so it’s not easy.

 

[Raider 21]

Thanks for explanation. Therefore PAF should change a little bit the shows training. I’m not advocating for having a full time demo team, but at least training for demo should be a little bit more than the few days allocated (as per my reading here and there).

I know we have many constraints so it’s not easy.

Airshows are more of a recruiting tool and defence expos outside of Pakistan. For the average kid aspiring to be a pilot, he's normally more caught with a few PAF songs. In retrospect, a kid in let's say the USA would be inspired by an airshow display that happens regularly around the country.

Different cultures, different mindsets.