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some sort of splash just before touching ground...

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yes @sherdil76 it is definitely electrical splash sound...i am very familiar with it (my field of work) and before hitting the ground a brief bluish white light is basically electrical contact. Just watch the video the light when plane appears behind trees before touching ground....



first splash...
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2nd photo when it touches ground:
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ohh from this last clip it seems that it's GLOC, plane is coming straight down and you can see attempts to pull up at the very last few seconds, his first instinct was to pull up instead of ejecting
 
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Huge electric spark

Engine flame before touching the ground
 

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Report: Thunderbirds pilot killed in crash lost consciousness in high-G maneuver
Stephen Losey
October 16, 2018

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Thunderbirds pilot Maj. Stephen Del Bagno prepares to board his F-16 Fighting Falcon during a modified ground show practice at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, Jan. 26. Del Bagno was killed April 4 when his aircraft crashed on the Nevada Test and Training Range during a practice aerial demonstration. (Master Sgt. Christopher Boitz/Air Force)


Thunderbirds pilot Maj. Stephen Del Bagno temporarily lost consciousness during a high G-force maneuver and was incapacitated right before a fatal crash in April.

The Air Force on Tuesday released the report on the investigation into the April 4 crash at the Nevada Test and Training Range near Nellis Air Force Base.

Del Bagno, along with five other elite Thunderbird pilots, was practicing an aerial maneuver called the High Bomb Burst Rejoin, and flew inverted for about 22 seconds at about 5,500 to 5,700 feet above ground level, where he experienced up to negative two G-forces, the report said.

Del Bagno then started a descending half-loop maneuver called the Split-S, reaching a maximum of 8.56 Gs after five seconds, the report said. The extreme G-forces caused him to lose consciousness and be absolutely incapacitated for the next five seconds.

About a second before hitting the ground, the report said he recovered somewhat and started trying to recover his F-16CM, but it was too late. He did not attempt to eject.

The accident investigation board found that the “push-pull effect” of quickly going from -2.06 Gs — or twice the equivalent of standing on one’s head — to 8.56 Gs dramatically lessened his tolerance to G-forces, and substantially contributed to the crash. Those conditions also lessened the effectiveness of his anti-G force straining maneuver.

Del Bagno, whose call sign was “Cajun,” was an experienced F-35 pilot, whose love of flying, enthusiasm and excitement for his first season with the Thunderbirds was apparent to all. In a January video documenting the moment he and other newly minted Thunderbirds received their iconic red flight helmets, Del Bagno called it “a fantastic day.”


His death rocked the Air Force, and especially the Thunderbird community, which grieved his loss. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. Dave Goldfein were among those who expressed their grief. Fighter jets flew a missing man formation during a memorial service for Del Bagno at his high school in Santa Clarita, California, in April.

The Thunderbirds, known formally as the U.S. Air Force Air Demonstration Squadron, suspended public performances for six weeks after Del Bagno’s loss.

The report said Del Bagno was known as “an ‘inspirational’ leader who was always positive and put others before himself.”

“The merger between his positive personality and pilot skills made him a ‘perfect fit for the Thunderbirds' mission to recruit, retain and inspire,” the report said. “A member of his squadron summed up [Del Bagno] as ‘just a beautiful human being.’”

Del Bagno appeared in good spirits before the flight, the report said, and was current and qualified to fly. He had a reputation for exceptional physical fitness and had carried out many high-G maneuvers successfully in the weeks prior to the mishap.

But the report said that physical fitness does not protect against the physiological effects of negative-Gs, which can widen blood vessels and result in a loss of blood pressure and lowered heart rate. This can increase the danger when a pilot quickly shifts to high G-forces, which tends to pull the blood to the abdomen and lower extremities and away from the brain.


The F-16 was not overdue for any inspections, and there was no indication of any recurring maintenance problems or any mechanical, structural or electrical failure that would have contributed to the crash.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-crash-lost-consciousness-in-high-g-maneuver/
 
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After viewing some videos, Air Force pilots have ruled out the possibility of compressor stall or electrical wires as a cause of crash.

Only if he had 10-15 more feet, he would have pulled up from ground zero.
 
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The argument of Electric Wire started in view of a possibility that if he had some more height, could have pulled A/C in loop. However, saying that Wires are totally responsible for crash, is wrong. It was discussed to explain the possibility to recover A/C.
 
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I have downloaded the above posted video and watch multiple time, this video make it clear that there was no fire ball till the very last moment before impact to the ground .....

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And it didnt hit any high tension cables.
Looks more and more like pilot misjudgement. :(
Even the greatest of men makes mistakes. I hope PAF sets certain restrictions and guideline for future.
Though it did seem very fast. And it was pitching down till the last second. Few more feet and he might've made it.
 
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Looks more and more like pilot misjudgement. :(
Well won't comment on this till official enquiry is concluded as there could be many other reasons for this mishap, In my post I was just highlighting that there was no impact with high tension wire till very last moment of crash to the ground
 
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Yep, the only wise and critical thinker man on the forum.. Bravo
There is critical thinking and then there is sick thinking, u always prefer the 2nd one
The argument of Electric Wire started in view of a possibility that if he had some more height, could have pulled A/C in loop. However, saying that Wires are totally responsible for crash, is wrong. It was discussed to explain the possibility to recover A/C.
Agree when and if he hit the wires he was already too low and other circumstances brought the plane to such low altitude.
The possibility of a black or brown out or what some like to call a G Loc and the S type maneuver resulting in possible incapacity for a brief time are there by looking at the videos. The presence of clouds alone should have resulted in changing and increasing the minimum altitude. But this is all speculation until the result of inquiry are available. Looking at past release of the investigations, results may not be made public.
A fine pilot and a good family man is gone and this incident should be investigated fully to avoid unnecessary risks. Those who say flying is risky I do not disagree but at the same time believe in avoiding risks unless it is absolute necessary.
 
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