Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Kakaspai]

better to have 200 hospitals, 200 colleges and some highways instead

And nothing to protect them

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The MLU F-16s are good till 2030-35. Read up on the MLU and Air Frame / Engine refurbishment/overhauling that the Block-15 Vipers have gone thru. F-7PG and the ROSE Mirages will soldier on till 2025. The rest will be replaced by JF-17 and the process JF-17 blocks may not end at III and could go into further improved blocks. A 5th-Gen fighter will be inducted. Not in large numbers mind you because they are going to be costly to purchase and costlier to operate. In the time frame in between if funds are somehow arranged we may see another platform before we induct the 5th Gen fighter. Otherwise we may see another platform after we have inducted the 5th Gen fighter.

You see the purpose is to maintain a minimum deterrence without forcing India to raise the stakes. The game is to keep yourself armed but not so much that the adversary who has more resources is forced to up the ante. Because if we somehow manage what you are suggesting India is not going to stay put and will raise the stakes and get more. Then where will we be?

@DMP you have hit the core issue yourself by what you have posted. We barely can keep the JF-17 production process going because we are doing that (at least a part of it) on credit from China. Unless we get our economy back on track where will we get the money for J-10Bs? Let alone J-11Ds. Now that you mention it ... I think this is not happening for a while.

Well m not saying that eveything is going to retire now and we should buy J-10 J-31 and others today..... i am telling about 2025....

 

[[Bregs]]

And nothing to protect them

we already have enough weapons already

 

[Basel]

Inventory of PAF other than PGs in next 5 years can be like Rose Mirages, F-16s and Thunders and these all are far superior to PGs with generation gaps in between. So PGs might lose their utility except to show a blip on radar, air policing western borders (which they are doing now too) or used in Army Exercises. PGs wud find it difficult to blend it just like A-5s and F-6s and wud lose active role at that time to superior aircraft at that time. So we have to concentrate on that area and those circumstances.

with 5th generation WVR missiles coupled with HMS/HMD PGs will be very potent interceptor if employed with good tactics.

If PGs are carrying 2 R-74s or ASRAAMs and 2 IRIS-T or A-Darters with HMS/HMD one can imagine how deadly they can be in interceptor role as earlier missiles have good range (up to 50kms) and later are very deadly in close range, in well trained hands they will be very deadly for any below 5th gen fighter jet.

 

[Kharral]

Hopefully PAF will replace the F7s and Mirages with JF-17s according to Air Marshall (R) Mirza Zafar on the last
Mirage Trainer jet crash in March.


"Eventually Mirages would be retired and replaced by JF17s. PAF ac are maintained according to highest practises of maintenance. I believe last November mirage accident was mechanical problem and pilots wanted to save the aircraft at all costs against clear cut instructions to eject at 2000 AGL. It is generally the urge to save ac that leads to fatal accidents. There are many glorious examples where to avoid populated area pilot delayed ejection and got killed. This Mirage accident it is too early to comment. It could be human factor or weather or mechanical malfunction. Best is to wait for Inquiry Report. Our senior commanders lead from the front and hence fly a lot."

P.S: this is an old statement about Mirage Trainer jet crash.

Around this time last year we went over for Fatiha to a village in Mandi Bahauddin. A mirage had clashed close to the village narrowly avoiding the village. Both the pilots embraced shahdat. Incidentally a serving Air Force pilot ( sargodha base ) was also present there & the topic of that air crash came up. According to the pilot both of the pilots could have ejected safely had they chosen to but they chose not to & tried till the last moment to steer it away from the village & towards river Chenab or the Major canal closer to the village. Although they managed to steer it away from the village & saved a lot of lives on ground but fell a bit short from the close by Canal.
I have since then wondered what went through those two heroes minds.

Thank GOD the pilot is safe in this instance.

 

[Humble Analyst]

better to have 200 hospitals, 200 colleges and some highways instead

Please if you can persuade India to stop PAKFA and Rafael we will be glad to oblige

 

[Blue Marlin]

as long as if the pliot is safe then im not bothered. sure a plane is destroyed, but you cant replace a good pliot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I spoke with Sir Kaiser Tufail Sahib - confirms it was F-7PG not a trainer. Pilot is 100% safe. Ejected successfully and was extracted without incident.

F7PG,Mirage are flying coffins. Better retire them asap. Pilots life are more precious than a metal junk.
Good to know Pilot is safe.

Not true at all some of those F-7 variants were inducted in early 2000s and not only do they have plenty of service life in them - they are very much capable interceptor aircrafts for our needs. Older variants must be scrapped, I do believe the time and era of the Mirages on the other hand is over. 75-80% of them need to be grounded NOW.

 

[Thorough Pro]

No they are not flying coffins, shit happens.

F7PG,Mirage are flying coffins. Better retire them asap. Pilots life are more precious than a metal junk.
Good to know Pilot is safe.

 

[I S I]

Shame

Yes you're a shame indeed.

 

[tarrar]

Wasn't F7 retired recently.

 

[fatman17]

Pilot Ejects Safely Before Pakistan Air Force Chengdu F-7 Crash

Posted on 9 September, 2015



Pakistan Air Force Chengdu F-7MP from 14 Squadron ‘Tail Choppers’ taxies out at PAF Base Kamra-Minhas on February 18, 2007. A PAF F-7, believed to be an F-7PG variant, crashed today in Balochistan after the pilot had ejected safely. AFD-Alan Warnes

A PAKISTAN Air Force (PAF) Chengdu F-7 was destroyed in a crash today, September 9, near Mustung, Balochistan province. The pilot, FltLt Yasir Ali, ejected safely.

The aircraft was undertaking a routine training flight from PAF Base Samungli, Quetta, in poor weather when the engine caught fire and then seized. The aircraft, believed to be an F-7PG variant, was destroyed, but there was no loss of life or damage to property on the ground. AFD-Dave Allport

 

[انگریز]

PG are Pakistan's interceptors, being the fastest planes in the inventory

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

PG are Pakistan's interceptors, being the fastest planes in the inventory

they are fantastic aircrafts and the newer variant ones will continue to serve us for well over another decade or so.

PAF is gradually replacing the oldest ones with JF-17s as the latter's production rate increases.

 

[shah1398]

with 5th generation WVR missiles coupled with HMS/HMD PGs will be very potent interceptor if employed with good tactics.

If PGs are carrying 2 R-74s or ASRAAMs and 2 IRIS-T or A-Darters with HMS/HMD one can imagine how deadly they can be in interceptor role as earlier missiles have good range (up to 50kms) and later are very deadly in close range, in well trained hands they will be very deadly for any below 5th gen fighter jet.

Sir wishlist has no ending and we want even more than that but question is that would current Griffo Radar on PGs (plz correct me if i am wrong) accommodate or is capable to get these upgrades integrated with it? I highly doubt that its gona happen. Also i am sure that PAF is wise enough not to use any of the funds on up gradation of PGs rather they have got many other areas which are already good and can be brought in at par with any modern system.

Wasn't F7 retired recently.

Those retired were from number 2 squadron and they were F-7Ps, not F-7PGs.