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[Porus]

MQM senate, PA, NA members have repeated the 15k figure dozens of time on multiple shows on TV, if there wasn't any truth behind it, wouldn't they have been challenged by now? Bhai for them millionth time, if you murder me and my kinsmen what wouldn't I do to defend myself? Stop killing me and I will stop defending myself.

Do you understand the meaning of a reliable neutral source? They constantly mention two million "janon ki qurbani" by "their" people who gave away their lives during partition for the love of this new born country. Everybody knows that this claim is bogus and the two million figure is grossly exaggerated and that the bulk of those who were killed were east Punjabis. The majority of the Muhajirs came to Pakistan in the 50s and 60s. I saw a talk show recently in which Mustafa Kamal was invited and to get further sympathy he conveniently raised the figure to three million " janon ki qurbani" - but who is asking for evidence. MQM is an ethnic-based and a concerned party in this matter and not to mention it thrives on these fairy tales, therefore, whatever their leaders say cannot be taken seriously. Please provide a reliable evidence from neutral sources.

 

[Mav3rick]

My friend, now I understand that why he is so pro-MQM.

However, he should know that how MQM is perceived from a nuetral perspective. I have given him a reasonable snapshot. If he understands, then it will be a sign of progress. If he does not, then things are hopeless of him and MQM.

You do come across as a neutral person and that is the only reason I am posting a response to your post, I do have family in MQM and believe it or not I am more critical of MQM then any of you can be but not on lies and propaganda that you and others believe. About your earlier post:

1) You said MQM has attitude problems and I agree MQM does have an attitude problem and reaction to insults on AH are grossly magnified. But look at what happened to BB, perhaps the most loved leader of Pakistan when she returned, do you expect MQM to make the same mistake? MQM workers are strictly opposed to the idea of AH's return and they want him to stay safe in London until they consider the time ripe for his return.
2) MQM was involved in extortion during the times of operation against it to survive, which again is unjust but to them it was a necessary evil. Incidentally that fund was used to feed the families of worker/supporters/sympathizers and other innocents that were murdered by agencies. Even today MQM funds thousands of households who cannot support themselves. You may call it parallel tax system which was a necessary evil......the official tax system is just as injust on us whose tax is deducted at source because it is Govt.'s extortion, they ramp up taxes anyway they want and we are helpless to pay it. But today MQM does not force people to donate even though the attitude is the same there is no force, ANP/Lyari gangs (PPP) on the other hand are not only involved in extortion they demand 10 times more then MQM ever did....despite that nobody blames them. Furthermore PPP backed Lyari gangs are involved in kidnappings for ransom all across Karachi yet nobody cares.

3) There are only 2 political forces that can form Govt. in Pakistan and even though they have both back stabbed MQM multiple times, MQM simply does not have an alternate. How else are they supposed to serve their voters by sitting in the opposition? People consider it a marriage of convenience but it is actually a bitter pill every time for the betterment of Sindh. Think also about the Pakistani public, they too have been fooled and used multiple times, all promises broken time and again by both the political parties (PPP & PML) yet we are all stuck with them, aren't we? Similarly MQM, too, is stuck with them.

 

[Mav3rick]

Do you understand the meaning of a reliable neutral source? They constantly mention two million "janon ki qurbani" by "their" people who gave away their lives during partition for the love of this new born country. Everybody knows that this claim is bogus and the two million figure is grossly exaggerated and that the bulk of those who were killed were east Punjabis. The majority of the Muhajirs came to Pakistan in the 50s and 60s. I saw a talk show recently in which Mustafa Kamal was invited and to get further sympathy he conveniently raised the figure to three million " janon ki qurbani" - but who is asking for evidence. MQM is an ethnic-based and a concerned party in this matter and not to mention it thrives on these fairy tales, therefore, whatever their leaders say cannot be taken seriously. Please provide a reliable evidence from neutral sources.

You are more interested in figures instead of respecting the sacrifices of those who migrated! My responses to your post were not to win the argument but to give you information from the other side when you obviously do not wish despite your demand and insistence of the same. I asked you to look up the Pakka Qila incident for a simple example of Sindhi nationalistic party's massacre of Mohajirs but you conveniently chose to ignore it posting some bs about what MK may or may not have said! You want to instigate instead of investigate then carry on mate!

 

[ice_man]

PAKA QILA!! is another fake news from MQM nothing happened in paka qila!! no news source from international media source to such claims!

 

[Porus]

You are more interested in figures instead of respecting the sacrifices of those who migrated! My responses to your post were not to win the argument but to give you information from the other side when you obviously do not wish despite your demand and insistence of the same. I asked you to look up the Pakka Qila incident for a simple example of Sindhi nationalistic party's massacre of Mohajirs but you conveniently chose to ignore it posting some bs about what MK may or may not have said! You want to instigate instead of investigate then carry on mate!

Are we talking about Paka qila or 12th May incidents? I just asked for some evidence that you terribly failed to provide. Just keep lying and deceiving the innocents who believe in your fairy tales.

 

[ice_man]

You do come across as a neutral person and that is the only reason I am posting a response to your post, I do have family in MQM and believe it or not I am more critical of MQM then any of you can be but not on lies and propaganda that you and others believe. About your earlier post:


2) MQM was involved in extortion during the times of operation against it to survive, which again is unjust but to them it was a necessary evil. Incidentally that fund was used to feed the families of worker/supporters/sympathizers and other innocents that were murdered by agencies. Even today MQM funds thousands of households who cannot support themselves. You may call it parallel tax system which was a necessary evil......the official tax system is just as injust on us whose tax is deducted at source because it is Govt.'s extortion, they ramp up taxes anyway they want and we are helpless to pay it. But today MQM does not force people to donate even though the attitude is the same there is no force, ANP/Lyari gangs (PPP) on the other hand are not only involved in extortion they demand 10 times more then MQM ever did....despite that nobody blames them. Furthermore PPP backed Lyari gangs are involved in kidnappings for ransom all across Karachi yet nobody cares.

ATLEAST YOU ADMIT THAT MQM takes batha & does extortion!!! finally you admit that MQM terrorizes people of karachi! end of discussion!

 

[S.M.R]

ATLEAST YOU ADMIT THAT MQM takes batha & does extortion!!! finally you admit that MQM terrorizes people of karachi! end of discussion!

yes and ANP and PPP people are armless saints, they even dont know how to spell weapons / terrorism / bhatta / land grabbing / drug selling.

 

[ice_man]

yes and ANP and PPP people are armless saints, they even dont know how to spell weapons / terrorism / bhatta / land grabbing / drug selling.

no one said they are saints!!! no one on this forum or in the world try to portray them as saints!!!! BUT MQM plays the mazloom masum card!!!! hence people say STOP THE DRAMA to MQM!

 

[LeGenD]

You do come across as a neutral person and that is the only reason I am posting a response to your post, I do have family in MQM and believe it or not I am more critical of MQM then any of you can be but not on lies and propaganda that you and others believe.

Thank you.

1) You said MQM has attitude problems and I agree MQM does have an attitude problem and reaction to insults on AH are grossly magnified. But look at what happened to BB, perhaps the most loved leader of Pakistan when she returned, do you expect MQM to make the same mistake? MQM workers are strictly opposed to the idea of AH's return and they want him to stay safe in London until they consider the time ripe for his return.

I don't know when the time will be right for Mr. Altaf to return but if it does not comes and Mr. Altaf passes away in London, then he won't get the respect that BB got for her sacrifice. People will remember him as a coward who ran away from difficult times and never bothered to return to help his people. The MQM would end up harming his image more than it already is with current attitude. A sad truth which MQM needs to understand.

Otherwise, choose a leader who is not afraid and who can actually fight for justice and can serve people in the rough times. Pakistan needs strong and sincere leaders and not cowards.

Also, MQM workers should learn to accept and tolerate criticism. They cannot DEMAND respect from others. They have to EARN respect from others.

2) MQM was involved in extortion during the times of operation against it to survive, which again is unjust but to them it was a necessary evil. Incidentally that fund was used to feed the families of worker/supporters/sympathizers and other innocents that were murdered by agencies. Even today MQM funds thousands of households who cannot support themselves. You may call it parallel tax system which was a necessary evil......the official tax system is just as injust on us whose tax is deducted at source because it is Govt.'s extortion, they ramp up taxes anyway they want and we are helpless to pay it. But today MQM does not force people to donate even though the attitude is the same there is no force, ANP/Lyari gangs (PPP) on the other hand are not only involved in extortion they demand 10 times more then MQM ever did....despite that nobody blames them. Furthermore PPP backed Lyari gangs are involved in kidnappings for ransom all across Karachi yet nobody cares.

Wrong doings cannot be justified in any way or form. Extortion is like robbery.

If MQM wants to differentiate itself from other political parties, it has to adopt people-friendly policies that are not based on unjust practices. MQM can open donation platforms to fund its operations. If MQM actually enjoys true support of the people, it will get donation on regular basis. Other sources of funding can also be explored. With unjust practices, MQM cannot justify its position to others. It will be exploited for its wrong doings and no one would take it seriously.

MQM should learn from PTI.

3) There are only 2 political forces that can form Govt. in Pakistan and even though they have both back stabbed MQM multiple times, MQM simply does not have an alternate. How else are they supposed to serve their voters by sitting in the opposition? People consider it a marriage of convenience but it is actually a bitter pill every time for the betterment of Sindh. Think also about the Pakistani public, they too have been fooled and used multiple times, all promises broken time and again by both the political parties (PPP & PML) yet we are all stuck with them, aren't we? Similarly MQM, too, is stuck with them.

With this mentality, this entire nation will be stuck with these two fraudulent parties. Shaking hands with the DEVIL regardless of convenience or not will hurt you always in the end. This is a moral lesson from real life experiences and even projected in the movies.

People desire a revolutionary political force, which can address their issues and can lead this nation to prosperity. By shaking hands with these back-stabbers, MQM is making a mistake and leaving a negative impression on millions of nuetral people within the country.

Keep in mind that MQM will never expand with this type of political approach. It will never gain support of the masses and will never grow powerful enough to lead Pakistan.

On the otherhand, PTI is expanding and one day may get the charge of running the country. Thanks to popularity of Imran Khan. However, even PTI has a long way to go for now.

In addition, keep in mind that your honesty is highly appreciated. I hope that my message gets some attention.

 

[S.M.R]

no one said they are saints!!! no one on this forum or in the world try to portray them as saints!!!! BUT MQM plays the mazloom masum card!!!! hence people say STOP THE DRAMA to MQM!

Who are those people? those who had never been to Karachi? People of Karachi want MQM despite of all of their negativity, so what is the problem to other people. There cannot be peace in ANY place when you will sideline / isolate the people of THAT place.

 

[ice_man]

Who are those people? those who had never been to Karachi? People of Karachi want MQM despite of all of their negativity, so what is the problem to other people. There cannot be peace in ANY place when you will sideline / isolate the people of THAT place.

i live in karachi and trust me not EVERYONE wants MQM!!!! their are supporters of PTI,PML,ANP,PPP,JAMAAT,SINDH NATIONAL PARTY,PML F,PML Q and all parties!!!

so stop your drama!! admit it MQM is not mazloom or masum no party is!!! all parties from top till bottom are corrupt screwed up!!! so MQM is not mazloom or masum!!!!

 

[S.M.R]

Thank you.


I don't know when the time will be right for Mr. Altaf to return but if it does not comes and Mr. Altaf passes away in London, then he won't get the respect that BB got for her sacrifice. People will remember him as a coward who ran away from difficult times and never bothered to return to help his people. The MQM would end up harming his image more than it already is with current attitude. A sad truth which MQM needs to understand.

Otherwise, choose a leader who is not afraid and who can actually fight for justice and can serve people in the rough times. Pakistan needs strong and sincere leaders and not cowards.

Also, MQM workers should learn to accept and tolerate criticism. They cannot DEMAND respect from others. They have to EARN respect from others.

MQM is not the party where One person's family keep sitting on hot seats. If he dies, party will not end up, someone other (definitely not from his family) will take his place.

Karachi people choose MQM as their leaders, so every one should respect their mandate. Its a two way process, if you will respect one's mandate in turn your mandate will get respect.

Wrong doings cannot be justified in any way or form. Extortion is like robbery.

If MQM wants to differentiate itself from other political parties, it has to adopt people-friendly policies that are not based on unjust practices. MQM can open donation platforms to fund its operations. If MQM actually enjoys true support of the people, it will get donation on regular basis. Other sources of funding can also be explored. With unjust practices, MQM cannot justify its position to others. It will be exploited for its wrong doings and no one would take it seriously.

MQM should learn from PTI.

What are those unjust practices please elaborate.

With this mentality, this entire nation will be stuck with these two fraudulent parties. Shaking hands with the DEVIL regardless of convenience or not will hurt you always in the end. This is a moral lesson from real life experiences and even projected in the movies.

People desire a revolutionary political force, which can address their issues and can lead this nation to prosperity. By shaking hands with these back-stabbers, MQM is making a mistake and leaving a negative impression on millions of nuetral people within the country.

Keep in mind that MQM will never expand with this type of political approach. It will never gain support of the masses and will never grow powerful enough to lead Pakistan.

On the otherhand, PTI is expanding and one day may get the charge of running the country. Thanks to popularity of Imran Khan. However, even PTI has a long way to go for now.

In addition, keep in mind that your honesty is highly appreciated. I hope that my message gets some attention.

MQM holds the banner of party belonging to Middle Class and Low Class people. Majority of its leaders dont have their own houses or live in 120 to 240 sq. yards houses (5 Marla to 10 Marla House). E.g. Mustafa Kamal had no home, Party gifted him bcaz of his duties he performed for Karachi. So MQM holds the tool which relate to 98% of low level Pakistanis. If it is allowed freely to participate in elections, it will get the popularity. 'People sitting in AC rooms cannot get the understanding of power cut during load shedding' type slogans give them enough popularity.

I like Imran Khan much as he has neat and clean past, may be the reason he didnt jump into the mud. But he has now plans to get involved in the politics, let hope him for all the best.

 

[S.M.R]

i live in karachi and trust me not EVERYONE wants MQM!!!! their are supporters of PTI,PML,ANP,PPP,JAMAAT,SINDH NATIONAL PARTY,PML F,PML Q and all parties!!!

so stop your drama!! admit it MQM is not mazloom or masum no party is!!! all parties from top till bottom are corrupt screwed up!!! so MQM is not mazloom or masum!!!!

Like we have PPP in govt. bcaz it got public mandate, and everybody is respecting their mandate. In the same lines MQM has got the mandate in Karachi, so everybody should respect their mandate.

 

[Huda]

MQM is not the party where One person's family keep sitting on hot seats. If he dies, party will not end up, someone other (definitely not from his family) will take his place.

Sir MQM is a one man party
All other people are puppets of ...........................

 

[ice_man]

Like we have PPP in govt. bcaz it got public mandate, and everybody is respecting their mandate. In the same lines MQM has got the mandate in Karachi, so everybody should respect their mandate.

PPP has public mandante? and how about ANP? well if they both have public mandate and you want to respect that then why is there any fighting killing burning destroying? who is killing who who is fighting who and why???