North Korea could amass 100 nuclear weapons by 2020, U.S. study warns

[ChineseTiger1986]

That is definitely our game plan.

Yep, even the communist Vietnam uniting the whole Vietnam had caused so much troubles, then can you imagine the capitalist South Korea to unite the whole Korea?

This is no no no, it is 10000% against our national interests.

We won't miss the Kim Dynasty, but North Korea and its ruling party definitely have to stay there.

 

[TaiShang]

Just more garbage coming from the same "truth" loving Western media.The same one which delivered "facts" for Iraq WMD,baby incubators,Syria goverment gas attacks,Iran nuclear program...list is very long.100 ...why not make it 1000 then...a lie will stay a lie - in which only most ignorant,stupid and simple minded people can believe.

Exactly. Fearmongering. China will maintain the status quo as long as it is manageable.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Exactly. Fearmongering. China will maintain the status quo as long as it is manageable.

For now, maintaining status quo is though costing China some food/power, but still far better than having US 8th Army Corp right across Yalu River.

But is there a even better plan than above? I guess the guys in Beijing are already working on it.

 

[TaiShang]

For now, maintaining status quo is though costing China some food/power, but still far better than having US 8th Army Corp right across Yalu River.

But is there a even better plan than above? I guess the guys in Beijing are already working on it.

Probably. Beijing must have been thinking hard over the issue. There is no way the fate of the neighboring nation will be left in the hands of the warmongering governments.

I am thinking of a managed transition of the country, something like pre-elections Korea. Some party (not person) takes over the country and manages the economic transition. With China right across the border and the available technology/capital, there is nothing to prevent North Korea from developing into a prosperous society.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Probably. Beijing must have been thinking hard over the issue. There is no way the fate of the neighboring nation will be left in the hands of the warmongering governments.

I am thinking of a managed transition of the country, something like pre-elections Korea. Some party (not man) takes over the country and manages the economic transition. With China right across the border and the available technology/capital, there is nothing to prevent North Korea from developing into a prosperous society.

I don't know what the guys in Beijing are planning on NK, but I wouldn't leave SK and US out of the equation.

Yes, as a minimum security objective, China should maintaining status quo and keep US corps away from Yalu River.

In the long run, a more progressive objective would be to keep US corps away from the peninsula. In order to achieve this, China has to (1) bring SK into China's economic orbit, re-assure SK's security concerns, and (2) convert NK from a socialist monarchy into a modernized country.

Check this:
Broken Hearts Club: 6 Allies America Needs to Divorce

Extract about SK:

"South Korea

If ever there was an alliance made irrelevant by circumstances, it is America’s defense guarantee for the Republic of Korea. The two nations share some values—at least since Seoul finally moved to democracy, despite Washington’s long-running support for South Korean dictators. But extensive cultural, economic, and family ties will endure irrespective of the security relationship.

The U.S. was drawn into war in Korea not because of the peninsula’s intrinsic strategic importance—before the conflict even Gen. Douglas MacArthur dismissed the land’s geopolitical relevance. Rather, Washington bore some responsibility for the war, having divided the peninsula with the Soviets and refused to arm the fledgling state. As for security, U.S. policymakers mistakenly saw the North Korean attack as a calculated move by Joseph Stalin, perhaps a prelude to an attack on Europe.

Then American troops were required on the peninsula until the South gained both political stability and economic development. However, by the 1980s the ROK had raced well ahead of North Korea economically. By the 1990s, Seoul had embraced democracy and the North’s Cold War allies had also been transformed; there was no prospect of Russian or Chinese aid for renewed North Korean aggression. Today South Korea enjoys a 40:1 economic lead, 2:1 population edge, vast technological superiority and overwhelming diplomatic support.

The ROK’s reliance on American defense subsidies is a little like Washington begging Europe for support against Mexico. The South can defend itself. Some Americans imagine Seoul joining a grand alliance to contain China, but South Koreans would have to be mad to make the great power next door a permanent enemy by taking Washington’s side in disagreements with little relevance to the ROK (Taiwan, Spratly Islands, Senkaku Islands). Other forms of cooperation, such as intelligence sharing, might be beneficial, but could be conducted without a “Mutual Defense Treaty,” which is mutual in name only."

 

[BoQ77]

So your idea is "the reunion of two Korea ( even by peaceful way ) is the threat to China national interests", isn't it ?

Yep, even the communist Vietnam uniting the whole Vietnam had caused so much troubles, then can you imagine the capitalist South Korea to unite the whole Korea?

This is no no no, it is 10000% against our national interests.

We won't miss the Kim Dynasty, but North Korea and its ruling party definitely have to stay there.

 

[Jlaw]

Yeah, these aggressive little Asian nations may think that they can get a piece from China since China is very weak according to the US.

Although it may take a very little effort for China to wipe them off from the map, but it may cause the disruption on China's global economic plan.

Right now, China has planned to implement the new global economic domination such as the new silk road and the new BRICS banking system, and a war will definitely cause the disruption on it.

This is what the US wants to see, so they want to sacrifice those lesser Asian nations as the cannon fodder in order to disrupt China's global economic plan.

Even if there is a war which I doubt, I don't think China will destroy all the people. We do not believe in genocide unless there is clear intention of other nations wanting to commit genocide against us.

I'm of the camp which favor non-intervention in NK because this NK regime is an untrustworthy buffoon. In fact, we will have a second thought if they put up a more pro-China leader. I'm not saying we encourage a coup but it is on the menu if they get our message.

Kim is not a buffoon as portrayed by world media. He saber rattle often but there is a reason why he is doing so.

I don't know what the guys in Beijing are planning on NK, but I wouldn't leave SK and US out of the equation.

Yes, as a minimum security objective, China should maintaining status quo and keep US corps away from Yalu River.

In the long run, a more progressive objective would be to keep US corps away from the peninsula. In order to achieve this, China has to (1) bring SK into China's economic orbit, re-assure SK's security concerns, and (2) convert NK from a socialist monarchy into a modernized country.

Check this:
Broken Hearts Club: 6 Allies America Needs to Divorce

Extract about SK:

"South Korea

If ever there was an alliance made irrelevant by circumstances, it is America’s defense guarantee for the Republic of Korea. The two nations share some values—at least since Seoul finally moved to democracy, despite Washington’s long-running support for South Korean dictators. But extensive cultural, economic, and family ties will endure irrespective of the security relationship.

The U.S. was drawn into war in Korea not because of the peninsula’s intrinsic strategic importance—before the conflict even Gen. Douglas MacArthur dismissed the land’s geopolitical relevance. Rather, Washington bore some responsibility for the war, having divided the peninsula with the Soviets and refused to arm the fledgling state. As for security, U.S. policymakers mistakenly saw the North Korean attack as a calculated move by Joseph Stalin, perhaps a prelude to an attack on Europe.

Then American troops were required on the peninsula until the South gained both political stability and economic development. However, by the 1980s the ROK had raced well ahead of North Korea economically. By the 1990s, Seoul had embraced democracy and the North’s Cold War allies had also been transformed; there was no prospect of Russian or Chinese aid for renewed North Korean aggression. Today South Korea enjoys a 40:1 economic lead, 2:1 population edge, vast technological superiority and overwhelming diplomatic support.

The ROK’s reliance on American defense subsidies is a little like Washington begging Europe for support against Mexico. The South can defend itself. Some Americans imagine Seoul joining a grand alliance to contain China, but South Koreans would have to be mad to make the great power next door a permanent enemy by taking Washington’s side in disagreements with little relevance to the ROK (Taiwan, Spratly Islands, Senkaku Islands). Other forms of cooperation, such as intelligence sharing, might be beneficial, but could be conducted without a “Mutual Defense Treaty,” which is mutual in name only."

Probably. Beijing must have been thinking hard over the issue. There is no way the fate of the neighboring nation will be left in the hands of the warmongering governments.

I am thinking of a managed transition of the country, something like pre-elections Korea. Some party (not person) takes over the country and manages the economic transition. With China right across the border and the available technology/capital, there is nothing to prevent North Korea from developing into a prosperous society.

Why not CPC?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't know what the guys in Beijing are planning on NK, but I wouldn't leave SK and US out of the equation.

Yes, as a minimum security objective, China should maintaining status quo and keep US corps away from Yalu River.

In the long run, a more progressive objective would be to keep US corps away from the peninsula. In order to achieve this, China has to (1) bring SK into China's economic orbit, re-assure SK's security concerns, and (2) convert NK from a socialist monarchy into a modernized country.

Check this:
Broken Hearts Club: 6 Allies America Needs to Divorce

Extract about SK:

"South Korea

If ever there was an alliance made irrelevant by circumstances, it is America’s defense guarantee for the Republic of Korea. The two nations share some values—at least since Seoul finally moved to democracy, despite Washington’s long-running support for South Korean dictators. But extensive cultural, economic, and family ties will endure irrespective of the security relationship.

The U.S. was drawn into war in Korea not because of the peninsula’s intrinsic strategic importance—before the conflict even Gen. Douglas MacArthur dismissed the land’s geopolitical relevance. Rather, Washington bore some responsibility for the war, having divided the peninsula with the Soviets and refused to arm the fledgling state. As for security, U.S. policymakers mistakenly saw the North Korean attack as a calculated move by Joseph Stalin, perhaps a prelude to an attack on Europe.

Then American troops were required on the peninsula until the South gained both political stability and economic development. However, by the 1980s the ROK had raced well ahead of North Korea economically. By the 1990s, Seoul had embraced democracy and the North’s Cold War allies had also been transformed; there was no prospect of Russian or Chinese aid for renewed North Korean aggression. Today South Korea enjoys a 40:1 economic lead, 2:1 population edge, vast technological superiority and overwhelming diplomatic support.

The ROK’s reliance on American defense subsidies is a little like Washington begging Europe for support against Mexico. The South can defend itself. Some Americans imagine Seoul joining a grand alliance to contain China, but South Koreans would have to be mad to make the great power next door a permanent enemy by taking Washington’s side in disagreements with little relevance to the ROK (Taiwan, Spratly Islands, Senkaku Islands). Other forms of cooperation, such as intelligence sharing, might be beneficial, but could be conducted without a “Mutual Defense Treaty,” which is mutual in name only."

Both NK and SK should learn from China's socialist model.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Both NK and SK should learn from China's socialist model.

SK to learn from China's socialist model? Are you kidding bro? ...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

SK to learn from China's socialist model? Are you kidding bro? ...

So you think our model is inferior to the SK model?

What does SK have? Except being a US lapdog.

 

[Aepsilons]

SK to learn from China's socialist model? Are you kidding bro? ...

What can SK learn from NK? How to become backwards and poor? LOL.

 

[Shotgunner51]

So you think our model is inferior to the SK model?

What does SK have? Except being a US lapdog.

SK is doing fine, very fine indeed, in a lot of aspects not just in material sense like tech/business, but in cultural as well. Don't get me wrong bro, China is doing fine under the current politico-socio structure in developing the hard powers, creating material wealth, look GDP is growing fast, people are getting wealthy, etc. But, is China doing well in social aspects? Just look closer, look deeper, into the culturally-close East Asian countries like SK, like JP, TW, definitely you will notice some difference in social behaviour between China and them. I travel to Seoul frequently, hangout with SK guys a lot in Shanghai, can speak a little of their language, I find a lot of lost Chinese merits well preserved by them. They don't talk patriotism, they do it. They have less family rituals, but they are real family-centric. And others, all we need is just open our heart to see bro ...

So I would say SK has learned a lot from ancient China. Maybe something to learn from nowadays China, but socialist model ... China can keep this treasure it to herself, it's China's proprietary weapon to success, no one allowed to take it ...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

SK is doing fine, very fine indeed, in a lot of aspects not just in material sense like tech/business, but in cultural as well. Don't get me wrong bro, China is doing fine under the current politico-socio structure in developing the hard powers, creating material wealth, look GDP is growing fast, people are getting wealthy, etc. But, is China doing well in social aspects? Just look closer, look deeper, into the culturally-close East Asian countries like SK, like JP, TW, definitely you will notice some difference in social behaviour between China and them. I travel to Seoul frequently, hangout with SK guys a lot in Shanghai, can speak a little of their language, I find a lot of lost Chinese merits well preserved by them. They don't talk patriotism, they do it. They have less family rituals, but they are real family-centric. And others, all we need is just open our heart to see bro ...

So I would say SK has learned a lot from ancient China. Maybe something to learn from nowadays China, but socialist model ... China can keep this treasure it to herself, it's China's proprietary weapon to success, no one allowed to take it ...

SK is still not a true independent country, and their lives are still at the hand of the US.

The true independent country in East Asia is PRC, and thanks to Mao we have ditched this traditional 'little peasant mentality'.

While those Japanese/Koreans/Taiwanese/HKers still haven't been enlightened, that's why they will always feel inferior in front of the westerners.

When the westerners talking about the democracy, they are all running obediently like the little dogs.

 

[Shotgunner51]

SK is still not a true independent country, and their lives are still at the hand of the US.

The true independent country in East Asia is PRC, and thanks to Mao we have ditched this traditional 'little peasant mentality'.

While those Japanese/Koreans/Taiwanese/HKers still haven't been enlightened, that's why they will always feel inferior in front of the westerners.

When the westerners talking about the democracy, they are all running obediently like the little dogs.

You are right, not just SK is not a true independent country, a lot of countries have their lives at the hand of US, let's see Germany, Georgia, Bosnia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Iceland, Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, UK, Ireland, Poland, Taiwan, Israel, Canada, Mexico, Malaysia, Thailand, Japan, Kuwait, UAE, Nigeria, Iraq, Panama ...... wow maybe half of countries in UN are not truly independent by your definition....

BTW, JP/SK/TW are already democracies for quite sometime bro ...

 

[frequency]

China's one nuke is more powerful than North Korea's entire nuclear stockpile.

Their dirty fission bombs are more symbolic than practical.

I thought NK nukes were gifted by the Chinese. So it should be the same.